Sonic and the Black Knight Nintendo Power review: 8/10

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#1 colecoavenger
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Nintendo Power had some very, very nice things to say about Sonic and the Black Knight. I know that doesn't mean a lot to some people based on how they scored Unleashed (also an 8/10), but they made it clear that Black Knight doesn't repeat many mistakes and the swordplay doesn't disrupt the flow of the game at all. They commented that the visuals and sound were both outstanding (despite some cheesy vocals), even going as far as to say that Black Knight has some of the absolute best Wii graphics we've seen thus far. The control is more intuitive than the control in Secret Rings because it doesn't rely on tilt for left-to-right movement. They also said that the control works better than in Unleashed because Unleashed wasn't designed specifically for the Wii. They had but two complaints: 1. Rarely, your sword combination will fail to recognize properly and you'll be left open to attack. They indicated that this doesn't happen often and that it is a minor annoyance at that. 2. When there are tons of enemies, it can be monotonous to fight your way through them. Luckily, if you don't feel like fighting often times you can simply jump over or run right by enemies. The combat depth improves as the game progresses with cIass specialization and new moves. Those who played Secret Rings remember some key flaws. First and foremost, Shara was annoying being reason. Nintendo Power comments that this time, dialog between your "guide" (in this case, your sword) and Sonic is non-intrusive and even humorous. Last time around, multiplayer seemed like an afterthought. It wasn't broken, but it was certainly uninspired. In Black Knight, there are twelve characters to choose from, head-to-head battles, and ranked online contests. Finally, last time around they managed to cheese up the story. Nintendo Power says that the story this time is very well done, and even includes a satisfying twist some 2/3 of the way through the game. The frame rate is steady and it's supposed to be glitch-free, which is a wondrous thing for Sonic games. Most importantly, this game doesn't contain anything that is absolutely unnecessary. Whether you liked the Werehog or not (I personally thought it was passable), I think we can all agree that it wasn't necessary. Secret Rings had a lot of missions that made you wonder about the mental state of the developers. In Black Knight, there is no ridiculous transformation that you're forced to go through and the missions are optional. It sounds to me like Sonic Team has finally knocked one out of the park. The score doesn't interest me so much as the details of the review. I advise all of you to pick up the March issue of Nintendo Power as soon as you can, and give this game a legitimate chance before you write it off as another Sonic game that was ruined by a stupid gimmick.
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#2 tktomo01
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Fine, I'll rent it. I swear, this the year of the eights for Nintendo (and that isn't a bad thing)
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#3 gamer6464
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For all those good things they had to say about it, I'm surprised it was only an 8.
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#4 GabuEx
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Nintendo Power's reviews tend to be erratic at best. I'm gonna wait for other reviews.
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#5 WllDan7
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Sounds good. Cannot wait to play it next month.
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#6 GabuEx
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Come to think of it, this game doesn't release until March 3. Why on Earth is it being reviewed already?
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#7 colecoavenger
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Come to think of it, this game doesn't release until March 3. Why on Earth is it being reviewed already?GabuEx
Nintendo Power almost always has first jump on SEGA reviews. It was true with NiGHTS, Secret Rings, Monkey Ball, etc.
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#9 GabuEx
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Nintendo Power almost always has first jump on SEGA reviews. It was true with NiGHTS, Secret Rings, Monkey Ball, etc.colecoavenger

Less reason to pay attention to their reviews, in my books.

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#10 Chojuto
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God d@mn it!!!! My Nintendo Power subscription ran out RIGHT before this issue had to come out. Rrrrrrgh....
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#11 cjm23
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Sounds great, and if this is a good review in terms of truth and what-not, WOW Nintendo. You're blowing me away In your first month. And 6 days haha. And it's not just Ninty, its everybody! This is the Wii's year!
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#12 DOS4dinner
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I did enjoy Secret Rings. If this game is Secret Rings improved, I'll buy it. I will always have a tender spot for Sonic...*hugs copy of Sonic CD*
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#13 child_of_lileth
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i dunno if im even gonna try this game. ive loved sonic games since i was a kid playin the genesis games, but im tired of the gimick games. if this turns out as a really good game, then fine, but if it doesnt, i really hope that sega will get the hint that sonic just needs to be in a regular sonic game and he might get back to having a good series again.
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IGN did a hands on preview and were not very complimentary of the sword sections. I haven't yet figured out why Sega is set on adding these combat additions to a game that was always based on speed.
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#15 metroidfood
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Nintendo Power's reviews tend to be erratic at best. I'm gonna wait for other reviews.GabuEx
QFT. Shadow the Hedgehog also got an 8/10. :|
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#16 Dark_Link142
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IGN did a hands on preview and were not very complimentary of the sword sections. I haven't yet figured out why Sega is set on adding these combat additions to a game that was always based on speed.jimkabrhel
They basically said they didn't like waggling and would rather have it mapped to the A button instead. That was their only real complaint.
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#17 Chojuto
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I did enjoy Secret Rings. If this game is Secret Rings improved, I'll buy it. I will always have a tender spot for Sonic...*hugs copy of Sonic CD*DOS4dinner
Secret Rings was so awesome. Since this game is a "sequel" to Secret Rings, AND it's made by the same guys, it should be improved from SR. And IGN mentioned that it has some similarities to Unleashed too.
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#18 GabuEx
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IGN did a hands on preview and were not very complimentary of the sword sections. I haven't yet figured out why Sega is set on adding these combat additions to a game that was always based on speed.jimkabrhel

Not really. If you try to go super fast in the Genesis games you'll just die horribly. It was about platforming until it came to 3D and some people decided to get historically revisionist and claim that it's always been about speed.

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#19 doctores143
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Nintendo power is very biased. I bet it will get a 7 or 6.5. It's Sonic it can't be that good.
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#20 gamer6464
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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]IGN did a hands on preview and were not very complimentary of the sword sections. I haven't yet figured out why Sega is set on adding these combat additions to a game that was always based on speed.GabuEx

Not really. If you try to go super fast in the Genesis games you'll just die horribly. It was about platforming until it came to 3D and some people decided to get historically revisionist and claim that it's always been about speed.

Agreed. I recently got the Sonic Mega Collection and played through the 2-D games. They arent based on speed like everyone seems to say they are. Theres mostly platforming, jumping, alot of enemies, and other things.

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#21 colecoavenger
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IGN did a hands on preview and were not very complimentary of the sword sections. I haven't yet figured out why Sega is set on adding these combat additions to a game that was always based on speed.jimkabrhel
IGN scored Secret Rings lower than Gamespot, Nintendo Power, 1up, Eurogamer, and GameTrailers among others. Sonic games on Wii seem to rub them in the wrong way. They also didn't like Unleashed much at all.
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#22 Shy_Guy_Red
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Come on guys, NP isn't too biased.

Hm, I may pick this up. While I wasn't a fan of Secret of the Rings because of the other levels, the racing ones were a blast.

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#24 so_hai
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Thatnks for the update colecoavenger.
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#25 ChildOfGaming7
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I think Nintendo Power is awesome, but they tend to love Sega too much. In fact, they might turn into Sega Visions!!!!!:?

And by gum, I hope my issue comes on Monday...

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#26 pierst179
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Better than I expected, but I am with Gabu on this one, I will just wait for other reviews. But I do want to buy a Sonic game this gen, I am just waiting for SEGA to release one that gets praised by more than 50% of the reviewers.
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#27 SSBFan12
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I will rent it then.
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#28 elbert_b_23
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i was wanting the game may be around a 8 but i rarely believe reviews by big company's
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#29 SonicHowler
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Sonic, as someone said, was NEVER based solely on speed. Speed just happened to be his thing. Please don't overlook that today, Sonic is much faster than he ever was. Sonic was and is Sega's mascot and Mario's rival, and even the famed Italian character had to fight a few turtles now and then. Why shouldn't Sonic have a combat thing? People keep calling them "Gimmicks." Let me ask you guys something. Would you all REALLY be satisfied with a Sonic game whose whole objective is run really fast? No awesome, progressive storyline, nothing interesting to do in the meantime, just run and get through level after level to stop Eggman from doing some weird thing? Running really fast is awesome, but without something to go with it, eventually there wouldn't be much more to the series. Even Mario hasn't done much in awhile besides that Sonic/Mario Olympics game and, of course, Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

Sonic Unleashed, though its concept was rather interesting, had some issues, particularly in the Nighttime half of the gameplay. The daytime levels were positively thrilling. Players are on the edge of their seats, trying not to blink for fear of missing something (which blinking could very well cause). Sonic and the Black Knight revisits Unleashed's awesome daytime gameplay with that trademark speed, and you blast through enemies without even needing to slow down. The only difference is that instead of Sonic's typical curl-up-and-roll attack, Sonic uses a sword. Why would having a sword make the game any worse? Fine, call it a "gimmick." It's the same Sonic speed with an allegedly great plot, terrific graphics (easily surpassing those of Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, which were pretty good for the Wii--check out the preview videos and pictures if you don't believe me) and a much-improved multiplayer mode. And hey, you've gotta admit, Sonic and Calibur look pretty freakin' awesome together.

Speaking from an unbiased point of view, I can't help but ask what exactly gamers want from Sonic. You want speed, I know. You've already got it--as I mentioned, Sonic is faster now than he ever was before. Any game has to have a good plot--so far, Sonic Team has been delivering some passable storylines. Some people complain that they have to play as Knuckles or Shadow sometimes (e.g. Sonic Heroes). Others complain about rather small things like using a sword instead of Sonic's usual rolling attack (not necessarily talking about anyone within this conversation; I've heard similar complaints here in the real world) or a flame being on Sonic's chest, or other things that truly do very little to alter gameplay. Truthfully, I can understand complaints about the werehog--that just wasn't Sonic. However, besides the werehog transformation, Sonic has always been Sonic: fast and confident with plenty of attitude.

If you really want to revisit the old Sonic games, I suggest Sonic the Hedgehog, available on XBox 360 and the PS3. There's an awesome storyline and no "gimmicks." He uses his usual attacks and blasts through levels like always.

I agree with the author of this thread. Give the game a try. Rent it, or wait for more reviews, but don't shut it down just because Sonic has a sword. That doesn't make much sense at all.

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#30 Head_of_games
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I best I can allow myself to hope for is that it will be a good game, but not a good sonic.
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#31 deactivated-5b2b34c3a42a1
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Nintendo Power doesn't exactly have the best reviews so I'm going to wait for something by maybe IGN, GT, or GS. For example, they consider a game to be made for everyone if the main story is ridiculously easy but theres an option to play the level again without taking a hit for no reason. They think that means its for hardcore and casual then.

But thanks for writting this up for us.

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#32 was49
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Ive read this months issue as well, but then again im a sonic fan so ill buy the game regardless of reviews
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#33 rgame1
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it could be a 9/10 on GS!!
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#34 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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so this game is a Mini Game Collection? Seriously though, didn't Nintendo Power Give SSR an 8.5? And that was one of the messiest, most broken games I've played on Wii. I won't be playing SBK
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#35 umcommon
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Sounds nice. As much as everyone likes to hate on Sonic I'm giving Sega mad props for actually providing Wii owners with a consistent flow of good new games for the first half of 2009. The Conduit, Madworld, HOTD:OK, Sonic & the Black Knight all look like serious efforts. Other devs & publishers should be taking notes right now.
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#36 dtno132
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You are talking about the same people who gave Okami a 7.8/10, and they gave Red steel a higher score. I'll wait for other reviews.
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#37 TheLordMagnus
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Nintendo Power always gives the Sonic games a higher score than anyone else.
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#38 Hungry_Jello
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LOL nintendo power. There as biased as Playstation monthly and xbox magazine. I wouldn't take this review so seriously.
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#39 manicfoot
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For some reason this is a must buy. Sonic keeps abusing me and I just keep taking it and taking it :P
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#40 Chojuto
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[QUOTE="Nuck81"]so this game is a Mini Game Collection? Seriously though, didn't Nintendo Power Give SSR an 8.5? And that was one of the messiest, most broken games I've played on Wii. I won't be playing SBK

Are you serious? Secret Ring is as good if not better then Unleashed.
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]Nintendo Power's reviews tend to be erratic at best. I'm gonna wait for other reviews.metroidfood
QFT. Shadow the Hedgehog also got an 8/10. :|

Yeah, I was going to bring that up. :lol: Personally, I've had enough stupid gimmicks in Sonic games.
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#42 DaLegendKilla92
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I also read the Nintendo Power March 09 magazine while at the library. The game actually seems really good and the reviews touched on a lot of points of concern. I actually think this game will be really good. The sword-fighting has a couple of hiccups along the way,but it isn't often enough to truly hamper gameplay. Even if you don't want to fight, ou can just jet past the enemies anyways. Plus, the game has solid multiplayer. If IGN gives it less than a 7.5, it would be an outrage.
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#43 blankshore
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This review certainly got me interested. Secret Rings was fun, and I didn't bother with Unleashed because of the Warehog nonsense. I've been kind of itching to play a good Sonic game so I'll give this a rent. I would buy it, but there's to many other great Wii/DS games coming out. I simply don't have the cash.

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#44 NotAFurry
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8/10 from Nintendo Power means 6/10 from other review sites. Not good.
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#45 danger_ranger95
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Hmmmmm...I guess I might rent it. I haven't played a Sonic game since Sonic Adventure, so maybe it's time to give it a whirl
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#46 TheSmitto
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Sounds great. I played Unleashed and decided to wait for Black Knight before choosing to purchase it, and I'm glad I did! Sword combat may be a gimmick, but through the videos I've seen it looks much less tedious, and multiplayer could be fun as well. Can't wait for some more reviews!
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#47 Darkmagcite
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That's nice to hear that it seems to be quite an improve over the Secret Rings and Unleashed. They seem to be improving and I am looking forward to this game. The presentation and just the entire style is very appealing to me. Though I must say, while it's good to hear some positive reception for the game, I don't really have much faith in Nintendo Power reviews.