Sorry Nintendo, but i think you are lazy...

I really hate to say this, but Nintendo is kind of lazy when i comes to making games. I dont want to wait another 5-6 years b4 we see another Mario game, or Zelda, or most of thier big titles. They can right now be working on another Mario game, with the same engine at Galaxy, but just refine it for a couple of years, add some new levels and put another one out. I know that it takes a few years to make a game, but why not make 2 or 3 mario games.

There is no reason why they dont. It seems like they only believe in releasing 1 or their big franchisees on each console. There used to be a day when there was 3 marios on NES, 2 on SNES, then just 1 on each console since then. There was 2 Zelda games on 64, technincally 2 on GC, but we havent even seen pics for one on Wii yet. Y NOT???? They must not like all the money that they are missing. I know i would be more apt to buy another SMG-2 game then buy something like Mario Golf.

The Wii has brought me back into playing games. There are more then enough good games for the Wii. I was incredibly bored with the last gen consoles. Having the new control schemes have added something new the standard format of playing a game with a gamepad. Why not hire a few more people and start working on some sequels for some of these games. If Call of Duty can release 4 games in the last 2 generations, and a 5th one in the works, then why cant NINTENDO make another Mario??????

Perfection takes time

This isn't fast food software

ur right it takes like a whole team to make a mario game which takes like 2 years and so if they wanted to make to they would be going fast and not perfecting it missing important stuff so they make one Mario game after another

first off there were more than 2 zeldas. There was windwaker, fourswords adventures, collecors edition, master edition, and twilight princess. Even if 2 were compilation disks 5 is still a lot for one console. Second off, It is difficult to make a game anyways. Even if they used the engines and such from galaxy they still have to come up with a plot line that is approved by miamoto. Call of Duty is simple to make seeing as how the story is allready written. ten they just have to focus on gameplay.

Just be patient and if you have a mario itch get mariokart.

All Nintendo games are rehashes so if they just pumped them out people would get sick of them much quicker.CheeChee_Macko

False

Research Nintendo franchises next time.

Because Nintendo only has so many second-party companies they can outsource their game development to, to help make ends meet while they're working on the 20+ projects the company itself can only have so many people hired to work on?

Nintendo isn't like EA Games where they have basically one-year development times of games that are primarily rehashes of last-years title with a huge-load of development studios they bought-out themself to work on, or like Infinity Ward (maker of Call of Duty) where it's just the one project they're focused on the entire time.

Nintendo can't make games instantly. But I wish they would focus less on Wii Music and more on games that people will actually buy.umcommon

[QUOTE="umcommon"]Nintendo can't make games instantly. But I wish they would focus less on Wii Music and more on games that people will actually buy.ag1052

Ok Wii music might be interesting but come on wouldn't you rather have Nintendo work on Starfox, Pikmin, Kirby, etc? I admire Nintendo's efforts in expanding their audience but we all know this game could backfire bigtime if its thier MAIN focus at E3, Wii-fit backfired bigtime imo and I don't see this game being any different.

i agree with OT. ninty should make 40 different itterations every month of mario and zelda and all their franchises. in fact, they should listen to EA (the greatest game dev in the world) and constantly make the same thing with one slight change. i mean, its not like programming takes a long time to test and make sure it is perfect while constantly bringing new ideas to the table. in fact, screw new ideas, let them just rerelease everything with a different cover. mario should be just like madden.

/sarcasm

If nintendo didnt take time to make their games, then they would all end up like conspiracy entertainment's games.

If you dont know who they are, its a bad thing.

Almost all of their titles have scored a 1-2 on IGN.

perfection takes time

and people already **** enough with all the spin offs, SW would explode if mario's main seris had a new game per year.

I really hate to say this, but Nintendo is kind of lazy when i comes to making games. I dont want to wait another 5-6 years b4 we see another Mario game, or Zelda, or most of thier big titles. They can right now be working on another Mario game, with the same engine at Galaxy, but just refine it for a couple of years, add some new levels and put another one out. I know that it takes a few years to make a game, but why not make 2 or 3 mario games.

There is no reason why they dont. It seems like they only believe in releasing 1 or their big franchisees on each console. There used to be a day when there was 3 marios on NES, 2 on SNES, then just 1 on each console since then. There was 2 Zelda games on 64, technincally 2 on GC, but we havent even seen pics for one on Wii yet. Y NOT???? They must not like all the money that they are missing. I know i would be more apt to buy another SMG-2 game then buy something like Mario Golf.

The Wii has brought me back into playing games. There are more then enough good games for the Wii. I was incredibly bored with the last gen consoles. Having the new control schemes have added something new the standard format of playing a game with a gamepad. Why not hire a few more people and start working on some sequels for some of these games. If Call of Duty can release 4 games in the last 2 generations, and a 5th one in the works, then why cant NINTENDO make another Mario??????

da_chub

Not only you are clearly misinformed (for example, Call of Duty isn't developed by the same developer every time), but your will for "more more and more (of the same)" is quite sad.

[QUOTE="ag1052"][QUOTE="umcommon"]Nintendo can't make games instantly. But I wish they would focus less on Wii Music and more on games that people will actually buy.umcommon

Ok Wii music might be interesting but come on wouldn't you rather have Nintendo work on Starfox, Pikmin, Kirby, etc? I admire Nintendo's efforts in expanding their audience but we all know this game could backfire bigtime if its thier MAIN focus at E3, Wii-fit backfired bigtime imo and I don't see this game being any different.

I dont really see how wii fit backfired? It is selling really well in Japan and will do the same in the US. Sure you may have not liked it but the same crowd that went crazy for Wii Sports will do the same for Wii Music and for Wii Fit... 3/4th of nintendo's games (smg, brawl. mario kart) are geared towards gamers like you, it makes me sad that would still be dissatisfied with the new casual type game to get even 1/4th or less of nintendo's development

[QUOTE="ag1052"][QUOTE="umcommon"]Nintendo can't make games instantly. But I wish they would focus less on Wii Music and more on games that people will actually buy.umcommon

Ok Wii music might be interesting but come on wouldn't you rather have Nintendo work on Starfox, Pikmin, Kirby, etc? I admire Nintendo's efforts in expanding their audience but we all know this game could backfire bigtime if its thier MAIN focus at E3, Wii-fit backfired bigtime imo and I don't see this game being any different.

I do agree than Nintendo internal management is often bizarre, but this kind of thinking is just too elitist.

Wii-fit backfired bigtime imo and I don't see this game being any different.

umcommon

Please research what you're talking about next time to avoid situations like the one that's coming

Wii Fit is a huge success for Nintendo with sales approaching 2 million copies sold while only being released in one of the three main regions in the world. Not only did the title have a strong launch but it's sales are overwhelmingly strong in it's third month of release.

first off wii music was showcased at E3 back like 6 months before the Wii was even out and it still isnt released so to say that they need to focus less on it is to pretty much say it should be vaporware since any less of a focus on it would make it dissapear.

I dont really see how wii fit backfired? It is selling really well in Japan and will do the same in the US. Sure you may have not liked it but the same crowd that went crazy for Wii Sports will do the same for Wii Music and for Wii Fit... 3/4th of nintendo's games (smg, brawl. mario kart) are geared towards gamers like you, it makes me sad that would still be dissatisfied with the new casual type game to get even 1/4th or less of nintendo's development

ag1052

I eventually plan on buying Wii-fit, it looks like a really tight concept. Wii-music looks like a good idea and probably will sell I should of worded that differently, my only concern is that it could backfire on them with males under the age of 30 if they don't have anything else big at E3 or if thats their main focus. There have been numerous speculations that Wii-music is thier big surprise.....I'm hoping its not obviously.

^^^Wii-fit did sell alot and is a good idea, but it shouldn't of been the main E3 focus.

[QUOTE="umcommon"]

Wii-fit backfired bigtime imo and I don't see this game being any different.

Jaysonguy

Please research what you're talking about next time to avoid situations like the one that's coming

Wii Fit is a huge success for Nintendo with sales approaching 2 million copies sold while only being released in one of the three main regions in the world. Not only did the title have a strong launch but it's sales are overwhelmingly strong in it's third month of release.

That guy probably doesn't look what happens beyond his neighborhood, and since it hasn't launched in USA (or wherever he lives), he thinks it's a flop.

[QUOTE="ag1052"]

first off wii music was showcased at E3 back like 6 months before the Wii was even out and it still isnt released so to say that they need to focus less on it is to pretty much say it should be vaporware since any less of a focus on it would make it dissapear.

I dont really see how wii fit backfired? It is selling really well in Japan and will do the same in the US. Sure you may have not liked it but the same crowd that went crazy for Wii Sports will do the same for Wii Music and for Wii Fit... 3/4th of nintendo's games (smg, brawl. mario kart) are geared towards gamers like you, it makes me sad that would still be dissatisfied with the new casual type game to get even 1/4th or less of nintendo's development

umcommon

I eventually plan on buying Wii-fit, it looks like a really tight concept. Wii-music looks like a good idea and probably will sell I should of worded that differently, my only concern is that it could backfire on them with males under the age of 30 if they don't have anything else big at E3 or if thats their main focus. There have been numerous speculations that Wii-music is thier big surprise.....I'm hoping its not obviously.

thank goodness TC is not a game dev. Other wise we would be playing the same thing every week. razu_gamer2

No, we would riot! :evil:

[QUOTE="umcommon"][QUOTE="ag1052"]

first off wii music was showcased at E3 back like 6 months before the Wii was even out and it still isnt released so to say that they need to focus less on it is to pretty much say it should be vaporware since any less of a focus on it would make it dissapear.

I dont really see how wii fit backfired? It is selling really well in Japan and will do the same in the US. Sure you may have not liked it but the same crowd that went crazy for Wii Sports will do the same for Wii Music and for Wii Fit... 3/4th of nintendo's games (smg, brawl. mario kart) are geared towards gamers like you, it makes me sad that would still be dissatisfied with the new casual type game to get even 1/4th or less of nintendo's development

ag1052

I eventually plan on buying Wii-fit, it looks like a really tight concept. Wii-music looks like a good idea and probably will sell I should of worded that differently, my only concern is that it could backfire on them with males under the age of 30 if they don't have anything else big at E3 or if thats their main focus. There have been numerous speculations that Wii-music is thier big surprise.....I'm hoping its not obviously.

A lot of people were upset that SSBB was second fiddle to Wii-fit at E3. Nintendo is doing a good job of expanding their audience and I admire them for that but having a casual oriented game as a main focus 2 years in a row as their major push at E3 would be a bad idea at least imo.

A lot of people were upset that SSBB was second fiddle to Wii-fit at E3. Nintendo is doing a good job of expanding their audience and I admire them for that but having a casual oriented game as a main focus 2 years in a row as their major push at E3 would be a bad idea at least imo.

umcommon

How can it be a bad idea, if it's making money? The Wii is breaking record after record. Besides, expanding the audience is no little task. Either you do it right, either you don't. Expanding the industry as a second priority? That just doesn't work. I think everyone supporting Nintendo this gen, alongside other companies or not, should accept and understand this.

dude, games like brawl,mario galaxy, and twilight princess take time to make. U think they can just pump out amazing games like mario galaxy in 6 months.

[QUOTE="umcommon"]

A lot of people were upset that SSBB was second fiddle to Wii-fit at E3. Nintendo is doing a good job of expanding their audience and I admire them for that but having a casual oriented game as a main focus 2 years in a row as their major push at E3 would be a bad idea at least imo.

Wintry_Flutist

How can it be a bad idea, if it's making money? The Wii is breaking record after record. Besides, expanding the audience is no little task. Either you do it right, either you don't. Expanding the industry as a second priority? That just doesn't work. I think everyone supporting Nintendo this gen, alongside other companies or not, should accept and understand this.

Expanding the industry is and should always be a top priority. But the fact is Nintendo could of CRUSHED Sony last year at E3 if SSBB would of been pushed more. Nintendo is expanding the audience which is good but they need to keep Sony and Microsoft in check and not let them monopolize certain parts of the market either

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="umcommon"]

A lot of people were upset that SSBB was second fiddle to Wii-fit at E3. Nintendo is doing a good job of expanding their audience and I admire them for that but having a casual oriented game as a main focus 2 years in a row as their major push at E3 would be a bad idea at least imo.

umcommon

How can it be a bad idea, if it's making money? The Wii is breaking record after record. Besides, expanding the audience is no little task. Either you do it right, either you don't. Expanding the industry as a second priority? That just doesn't work. I think everyone supporting Nintendo this gen, alongside other companies or not, should accept and understand this.

Expanding the industry is and should always be a top priority. But the fact is Nintendo could of CRUSHED Sony last year at E3 if SSBB would of been pushed more. Nintendo is expanding the audience which is good but they need to keep Sony and Microsoft in check and not let them monopolize certain parts of the market either

Again, researching will clear up a lot of these problems

E3 is for companies not for fans

That means that Nintendo is better off showing off their new big hardware surprise so devs can see it and think up games for it rather the showing off a Nintendo title that other companies have no interest in.

E3 is not for the fans, it's for the industry

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="umcommon"]

A lot of people were upset that SSBB was second fiddle to Wii-fit at E3. Nintendo is doing a good job of expanding their audience and I admire them for that but having a casual oriented game as a main focus 2 years in a row as their major push at E3 would be a bad idea at least imo.

umcommon

How can it be a bad idea, if it's making money? The Wii is breaking record after record. Besides, expanding the audience is no little task. Either you do it right, either you don't. Expanding the industry as a second priority? That just doesn't work. I think everyone supporting Nintendo this gen, alongside other companies or not, should accept and understand this.

Expanding the industry is and should always be a top priority. But the fact is Nintendo could of CRUSHED Sony last year at E3 if SSBB would of been pushed more. Nintendo is expanding the audience which is good but they need to keep Sony and Microsoft in check and not let them monopolize certain parts of the market either

It's not about crushing the competition (which is happening, anyway, as a result Sony and MS have been trying to casualize their software lately), that's stuff for System War, and not proper marketing. Here you're just trying to tell Nintendo how to do its job. Obviously Nintendo is aware they can't do EVERYTHING, they have deliberately "sacrificed" the hardcore audience to some extent.

E3 is and should always be about besting the competition, you honesty think companys go in there without that mentality?

In my opinion at least sacraficing the hardcore audience 2 years in a row at E3 is a poor idea, but again thats my opinion and it probably wont change. Either way Nintendo is still my favorite video game developer. I realize that Nintendo or any company for that matter can't satisfy everyone but having a bit more balance and trying not to sacrafice one crowd in favor of another should be considered.

Again, researching will clear up a lot of these problems

E3 is for companies not for fans

That means that Nintendo is better off showing off their new big hardware surprise so devs can see it and think up games for it rather the showing off a Nintendo title that other companies have no interest in.

E3 is not for the fans, it's for the industry

Jaysonguy

Well said.

E3 is and should always be about besting the competition, you honesty think companys go in there without that mentality?

In my opinion at least sacraficing the hardcore audience 2 years in a row at E3 is a poor idea, but again thats my opinion and it probably wont change. Either way Nintendo is still my favorite video game developer. I realize that Nintendo or any company for that matter can't satisfy everyone but having a bit more balance and trying not to sacrafice one crowd in favor of another should be considered.

umcommon

And how hasn't Nintendo bested the competition? Maybe not for you, but I clearly remember the whole press claiming Nintendo did it.

[QUOTE="umcommon"]

E3 is and should always be about besting the competition, you honesty think companys go in there without that mentality?

In my opinion at least sacraficing the hardcore audience 2 years in a row at E3 is a poor idea, but again thats my opinion and it probably wont change. Either way Nintendo is still my favorite video game developer. I realize that Nintendo or any company for that matter can't satisfy everyone but having a bit more balance and trying not to sacrafice one crowd in favor of another should be considered.

Wintry_Flutist

And how hasn't Nintendo bested the competition? Maybe not for you, but I clearly remember the whole press claiming Nintendo did it.

But either you like it or not, Nintendo didn't sacrifice the hardcore audience for two years in a row. It has been doing so since the very beginning, and it will keep doing so at least during this whole gen. They can't look for "balance" while doing the marketing move of the decade, they just can't. They won't suddenly show up with a utter hardcore conference, they have reached a status and image they will want to keep. Obviously I don't intend to make you believe it's good, but the pieces were moved on the board and there's no going back. And all that, ultimately, is the very opposite of laziness like the TC claims (just to come back on topic).

Over all Nintendo has bested the competition and has made the biggest variety of games out of any comapany out there for the most part.

The only point I'm trying to make is it certainly is not imposible to have a more balanced E3.

It's okay, they don't care what you think.

Again, researching will clear up a lot of these problems

E3 is for companies not for fans

That means that Nintendo is better off showing off their new big hardware surprise so devs can see it and think up games for it rather the showing off a Nintendo title that other companies have no interest in.

E3 is not for the fans, it's for the industry

Jaysonguy

QFT. For me, E3 is a big convention for the developers. It's at that place that developers announce their stuff. The stuff is released for the public in the magazines. Most gamers that I know don't know what the E3 is. These guys are searching on websites and magazines to know what's coming.

Now, the E3 is not a show anymore. It's more like a GDC mark II.

It's okay, they don't care what you think.

LoeJance

obviously

I completely agree with this topic. I mean after all, look at the rate at which Mario Party games are released. Those are only gaining momentum and getting better!

Oh wait...

E3 is and should always be about besting the competition, you honesty think companys go in there without that mentality?

In my opinion at least sacraficing the hardcore audience 2 years in a row at E3 is a poor idea, but again thats my opinion and it probably wont change. Either way Nintendo is still my favorite video game developer. I realize that Nintendo or any company for that matter can't satisfy everyone but having a bit more balance and trying not to sacrafice one crowd in favor of another should be considered.

umcommon

Nintendo DID win E3 with the Balance Board, Nintendo is still getting positive press from it today. They showed the devs something that interested them and the mainstream media picked it up and it's been splashed all over the media ever since.

There is no hardcore audience at E3, there are developers that are interested in what presentations companies will make to see if they want to develop for those companies.

What part about "E3 is not for the fans" don't you understand?

You really need to look over what you're saying.

So far you've said that Wii Fit failed though it's almost sold 2 million copies, that Nintendo's E3 was a disappointment even though it's been one of the biggest things in the media and has landed Nintendo with even more positive PR, and lastly you think that fans have a place at E3 when everyone and their brother know that it's an event for the industry not the gamers.