Spirit Tracks Your Thoughts

what do you think? I am excited about it!

Not so excited cause i heard that it was coming out in december this year.

It looks alright, i didn't like phantom hourglass and this game looks very close to it so im a bit weary about it. But i trust nintendo and ill remain optimistic about the game since im a huge zelda fan.

I expect Nintendo to deliver like always. It won't be a DSi game either.

maybe this is just me, but are u implying that there will be games only made for the DSi? or are u talkin about the store that is online? I coulda sworn that the DS, DS Lite, and now the DSi will all share the same library.

You can drive a train. Wicked!

i think its going to be a dsiware game did that tell you if its a dsi ware or on a game card yetheli_34

I highly doubt that. The Legend of Zelda series is one Nintendo's most popular franchises, making it exclusive to the DSi would make the sales for the games significantly lower than they would be if it wasn't an exclusive. And because of that, I don't see Nintendo doing that.

I missed out on Phantom Hourglass; I hope I don't end up doing the same with this one.Me2nice

Still plenty of time to play it.

I missed out on Phantom Hourglass; I hope I don't end up doing the same with this one.Me2nice

Missed out ?!! Go buy it , it's a fantastic game!

Also I am very excited and cannot wait (I quite obviously am) Fo SPIRIT TRACKZ!!!!!

Looks great and I loved PH so I am expecting another great Zelda.

[QUOTE="heli_34"]i think its going to be a dsiware game did that tell you if its a dsi ware or on a game card yetc_rake

I highly doubt that. The Legend of Zelda series is one Nintendo's most popular franchises, making it exclusive to the DSi would make the sales for the games significantly lower than they would be if it wasn't an exclusive. And because of that, I don't see Nintendo doing that.

Or they'll do just that and force people to buy a DSi!

Well, it looks like it plays almost ecactly like Phantom Hourglass, which isn't a bad thing. This game needs to be bigger than Phantom Hourglass, it needs a MUCH MUCH MUCH better villain (if I never hear about Bellum again it will be too soon), and Nintendo needs to pull of this whole train thing big time. I mean shockingly well.

[QUOTE="c_rake"]

[QUOTE="heli_34"]i think its going to be a dsiware game did that tell you if its a dsi ware or on a game card yetSpider-Jim

I highly doubt that. The Legend of Zelda series is one Nintendo's most popular franchises, making it exclusive to the DSi would make the sales for the games significantly lower than they would be if it wasn't an exclusive. And because of that, I don't see Nintendo doing that.

Or they'll do just that and force people to buy a DSi!

As I said before, I don't see that happening. Doing that would keep a large part of the DS's install base from playing Spirit Tracks, which is a bad idea considering that it would result in lower sales. And Nintendo isn't about to do anything that will keep them from making more money.

Its a zelda game so it will be great but was hoping for a new console version its gona be 3 years since TP came out in about 6 months, and still no news on another console version, its just fact that the console version will always be better which is why I want a new one.

my 2 thoughts about this game are 1 it looks pretty cool i loved phantom hourglass and i am a huge zelda fan 2 im not buying a DSi and if they mkae this exclusive to it i will have to flip out

I'm pretty excited for it, find it weird how there's trains but I bet it will be a solid Zelda game, especially if it's anything like PH.

It looks cool...but its zelda. it always looks cool. i hope that nintendo brings vaati back for this one. and i hope that the dual screen boss battles take longer and that there are more of them, cuz those were freaking awesome. especially the hammer one...

It will be great. Hope that it's a sequel to PH...

For those saying that they will not make it a DSi exclusive:

I believe they won`t for now, but i higly believe they will make lots of DSi-only features in the DSi-enhanced cards.

But after some time, if they make another zelda after this one, i`m sure it will be DSi only, as eventually the DSi will POSSIBLY start to eat most of the share of the market.

For those saying that they will not make it a DSi exclusive:

I believe they won`t for now, but i higly believe they will make lots of DSi-only features in the DSi-enhanced cards.

But after some time, if they make another zelda after this one, i`m sure it will be DSi only, as eventually the DSi will POSSIBLY start to eat most of the share of the market.

meiaman

While I agree that DSi features will probably start being implemented into DS games eventually, I don't think there will be any retail games that are exclusive to the DSi. Nintendo stated that they keep selling the DS Lite, so chances are that there will be plenty of people that have DS Lite's instead of DSi's, and keeping DS Lite owners from playing games simply because they don't have the right version of the DS would be a horrible idea. They would lose plenty of potential sales by doing that, which is why I don't see Nintendo doing that.

[QUOTE="meiaman"]

For those saying that they will not make it a DSi exclusive:

I believe they won`t for now, but i higly believe they will make lots of DSi-only features in the DSi-enhanced cards.

But after some time, if they make another zelda after this one, i`m sure it will be DSi only, as eventually the DSi will POSSIBLY start to eat most of the share of the market.

c_rake

While I agree that DSi features will probably start being implemented into DS games eventually, I don't think there will be any retail games that are exclusive to the DSi. Nintendo stated that they keep selling the DS Lite, so chances are that there will be plenty of people that have DS Lite's instead of DSi's, and keeping DS Lite owners from playing games simply because they don't have the right version of the DS would be a horrible idea. They would lose plenty of potential sales by doing that, which is why I don't see Nintendo doing that.

Your point is very good, but check this site:

N-Europe notice

If you check the post dates mine is more recent, that means that either they`ve changed their mind or they don`t know what they say anymore... guezz.

By the way, its not all an horrible idea, lets say games that the DS lite could never handle (like Disgaea 2 huge memory issues that can be avoided in the enhanced cards or with the SD slot), the DSi can play them, so i guess they will be making the DSi-exclusives those games that the DS lite can`t handle in the first place.

The GameBoy and GameBoy Color were the same thing initially, but later Ninty just started doing GBC exclusives, initially there were a bit of resistence and ceticism from people that had a GB, but later it proved that it was a really good idea.

Well, anyway prediciting would do no good, i guess we can just sit and wait the future to reveal the answers for our questions.

[QUOTE="c_rake"][QUOTE="meiaman"]

For those saying that they will not make it a DSi exclusive:

I believe they won`t for now, but i higly believe they will make lots of DSi-only features in the DSi-enhanced cards.

But after some time, if they make another zelda after this one, i`m sure it will be DSi only, as eventually the DSi will POSSIBLY start to eat most of the share of the market.

meiaman

While I agree that DSi features will probably start being implemented into DS games eventually, I don't think there will be any retail games that are exclusive to the DSi. Nintendo stated that they keep selling the DS Lite, so chances are that there will be plenty of people that have DS Lite's instead of DSi's, and keeping DS Lite owners from playing games simply because they don't have the right version of the DS would be a horrible idea. They would lose plenty of potential sales by doing that, which is why I don't see Nintendo doing that.

Your point is very good, but check this site:

N-Europe notice

If you check the post dates mine is more recent, that means that either they`ve changed their mind or they don`t know what they say anymore... guezz.

By the way, its not all an horrible idea, lets say games that the DS lite could never handle (like Disgaea 2 huge memory issues that can be avoided in the enhanced cards or with the SD slot), the DSi can play them, so i guess they will be making the DSi-exclusives those games that the DS lite can`t handle in the first place.

The GameBoy and GameBoy Color were the same thing initially, but later Ninty just started doing GBC exclusives, initially there were a bit of resistence and ceticism from people that had a GB, but later it proved that it was a really good idea.

Well, anyway prediciting would do no good, i guess we can just sit and wait the future to reveal the answers for our questions.

I wouldn't say it's entirely like the Game Boy and the Game Boy Color. The Game Boy Color was the successor to the original Game Boy, rather than simply being another version of the original Game Boy. The DSi, however, is simply another redesign of the DS instead of its successor. Whereas the Game Boy Color was a whole new system instead of a simple redesign.

Even with the DSi Cards, I imagine developers will most likely use the DSi-Enhanced Cards more simply because they can be used on all models of the DS, which means more sales. Granted, the DSi Cards could result in some interesting games if the developers take advantage of the DSi features and implement them well. Otherwise it'll probably be used simply for the sole purpose of porting games that can't be ported onto the DS Lite, onto the DSi. Hopefully that won't be the case. A few here and there is fine, just not a huge amount of 'em.

But as you said, trying to make predictions won't do any good. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

Apparently the release date for this is December 1

I could never got into Zelda games much... but if this one ends being good, i may give it a try.

It looks alright, i didn't like phantom hourglass and this game looks very close to it so im a bit weary about it. But i trust nintendo and ill remain optimistic about the game since im a huge zelda fan.

Gohansephiroth

not as good as hourglass but still better than a 8.0

It just looks like a clone of Phantom Hourglass. The train is just weird for a Zelda game and again seems like PH just rehashed with a new train mechanic. Zelda used to be my favorite franchise but it just strikes me as odd. It looks exactlythe same as PH.

PH was enjoyable but i never finished the game due to the incessant backtracking. Hopefully ST has alot less of it.

maybe this is just me, but are u implying that there will be games only made for the DSi? or are u talkin about the store that is online? I coulda sworn that the DS, DS Lite, and now the DSi will all share the same library.

nintendo4ever25

yes Nintendo just announced DSi-only enhanced games that will use its new hardware, cameras, etc, pretty much built around the DSi (for example nintendo has shipped out new DSi developer kits to devs.) tthese games will be sold at retail

we don't know if they'll get a storage increase. i'm hoping they bump the 256MB game card size up to 1GB, and you never know they couldcome on SD cards

[QUOTE="meiaman"][QUOTE="c_rake"]

While I agree that DSi features will probably start being implemented into DS games eventually, I don't think there will be any retail games that are exclusive to the DSi. Nintendo stated that they keep selling the DS Lite, so chances are that there will be plenty of people that have DS Lite's instead of DSi's, and keeping DS Lite owners from playing games simply because they don't have the right version of the DS would be a horrible idea. They would lose plenty of potential sales by doing that, which is why I don't see Nintendo doing that.

c_rake

Your point is very good, but check this site:

N-Europe notice

If you check the post dates mine is more recent, that means that either they`ve changed their mind or they don`t know what they say anymore... guezz.

By the way, its not all an horrible idea, lets say games that the DS lite could never handle (like Disgaea 2 huge memory issues that can be avoided in the enhanced cards or with the SD slot), the DSi can play them, so i guess they will be making the DSi-exclusives those games that the DS lite can`t handle in the first place.

The GameBoy and GameBoy Color were the same thing initially, but later Ninty just started doing GBC exclusives, initially there were a bit of resistence and ceticism from people that had a GB, but later it proved that it was a really good idea.

Well, anyway prediciting would do no good, i guess we can just sit and wait the future to reveal the answers for our questions.

I wouldn't say it's entirely like the Game Boy and the Game Boy Color. The Game Boy Color was the successor to the original Game Boy, rather than simply being another version of the original Game Boy. The DSi, however, is simply another redesign of the DS instead of its successor. Whereas the Game Boy Color was a whole new system instead of a simple redesign.

Even with the DSi Cards, I imagine developers will most likely use the DSi-Enhanced Cards more simply because they can be used on all models of the DS, which means more sales. Granted, the DSi Cards could result in some interesting games if the developers take advantage of the DSi features and implement them well. Otherwise it'll probably be used simply for the sole purpose of porting games that can't be ported onto the DS Lite, onto the DSi. Hopefully that won't be the case. A few here and there is fine, just not a huge amount of 'em.

But as you said, trying to make predictions won't do any good. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

[QUOTE="c_rake"][QUOTE="meiaman"]

Your point is very good, but check this site:

N-Europe notice

If you check the post dates mine is more recent, that means that either they`ve changed their mind or they don`t know what they say anymore... guezz.

By the way, its not all an horrible idea, lets say games that the DS lite could never handle (like Disgaea 2 huge memory issues that can be avoided in the enhanced cards or with the SD slot), the DSi can play them, so i guess they will be making the DSi-exclusives those games that the DS lite can`t handle in the first place.

The GameBoy and GameBoy Color were the same thing initially, but later Ninty just started doing GBC exclusives, initially there were a bit of resistence and ceticism from people that had a GB, but later it proved that it was a really good idea.

Well, anyway prediciting would do no good, i guess we can just sit and wait the future to reveal the answers for our questions.

darth-pyschosis

I wouldn't say it's entirely like the Game Boy and the Game Boy Color. The Game Boy Color was the successor to the original Game Boy, rather than simply being another version of the original Game Boy. The DSi, however, is simply another redesign of the DS instead of its successor. Whereas the Game Boy Color was a whole new system instead of a simple redesign.

Even with the DSi Cards, I imagine developers will most likely use the DSi-Enhanced Cards more simply because they can be used on all models of the DS, which means more sales. Granted, the DSi Cards could result in some interesting games if the developers take advantage of the DSi features and implement them well. Otherwise it'll probably be used simply for the sole purpose of porting games that can't be ported onto the DS Lite, onto the DSi. Hopefully that won't be the case. A few here and there is fine, just not a huge amount of 'em.

But as you said, trying to make predictions won't do any good. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

Simple, Nintendo stated that the DSi is simply another redesign of the DS instead of it its successor. Whereas the Game Boy Color was always meant to be the successor to the original Game Boy. Which makes sense, because I'm pretty sure that the GBC was better than the original GB from hardware perspective, whereas the DSi is basically the same in that regard. Sure it's slightly more powerful than the previous DS models, but it doesn't seem like it's a significant difference.

And as far as games that they're predecessors can't play go, the DSi only has DSiWare games so far, and I'm aware that there cartridges that can only be used on the DSi, but as I said before, I don't think that will use those cartridges very often. As for the GBC, it's makes sense as to why the system had games its predecessor couldn't play. The games for that system were in color after all. Whereas the original GB wasn't capable of displaying games in color, so it simply wasn't possible for those games to be played on the original GB. The DSi, however, doesn't have that problem. Any retail game released before the DSi can still be played on that system, and the previous DS's can do that as well, in addition to being able to play any new games that come out for it.

That's why the GBC isn't a redesign of the original GB, and why the DSi is another redesign of the DS.

I think its going to be similar to phantom hourglass but more land based since your on a train and stuff.

didn't like PH, so not looking forward to it.

i thought PH was pretty mediocre also. was kinda small and there wasnt much to explore for a game set on an ocean. ocean king temple was lame also, and i felt that touch screen controls slowed down the gameplay, making it easier then the series already is for most vets. still not terrible, but not great

as for Spirit Tracks im kinda disappointed, but i dont have enough info to really judge yet. i didnt see anything that i thought was really cool and what i did see was disappointing (on a train, wth?) still, ill wait for more info, ive never actually seen a zelda game flop, so i cant imagine this one will

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"][QUOTE="c_rake"]

I wouldn't say it's entirely like the Game Boy and the Game Boy Color. The Game Boy Color was the successor to the original Game Boy, rather than simply being another version of the original Game Boy. The DSi, however, is simply another redesign of the DS instead of its successor. Whereas the Game Boy Color was a whole new system instead of a simple redesign.

Even with the DSi Cards, I imagine developers will most likely use the DSi-Enhanced Cards more simply because they can be used on all models of the DS, which means more sales. Granted, the DSi Cards could result in some interesting games if the developers take advantage of the DSi features and implement them well. Otherwise it'll probably be used simply for the sole purpose of porting games that can't be ported onto the DS Lite, onto the DSi. Hopefully that won't be the case. A few here and there is fine, just not a huge amount of 'em.

But as you said, trying to make predictions won't do any good. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

c_rake

Simple, Nintendo stated that the DSi is simply another redesign of the DS instead of it its successor. Whereas the Game Boy Color was always meant to be the successor to the original Game Boy. Which makes sense, because I'm pretty sure that the GBC was better than the original GB from hardware perspective, whereas the DSi is basically the same in that regard. Sure it's slightly more powerful than the previous DS models, but it doesn't seem like it's a significant difference.

And as far as games that they're predecessors can't play go, the DSi only has DSiWare games so far, and I'm aware that there cartridges that can only be used on the DSi, but as I said before, I don't think that will use those cartridges very often. As for the GBC, it's makes sense as to why the system had games its predecessor couldn't play. The games for that system were in color after all. Whereas the original GB wasn't capable of displaying games in color, so it simply wasn't possible for those games to be played on the original GB. The DSi, however, doesn't have that problem. Any retail game released before the DSi can still be played on that system, and the previous DS's can do that as well, in addition to being able to play any new games that come out for it.

That's why the GBC isn't a redesign of the original GB, and why the DSi is another redesign of the DS.

[QUOTE="c_rake"]

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"] ah! why is GBC not a redesign of GB and DSi is of DS? on both you can make games the predecceor couldn't possibly handle hardware-wise!

meiaman

Simple, Nintendo stated that the DSi is simply another redesign of the DS instead of it its successor. Whereas the Game Boy Color was always meant to be the successor to the original Game Boy. Which makes sense, because I'm pretty sure that the GBC was better than the original GB from hardware perspective, whereas the DSi is basically the same in that regard. Sure it's slightly more powerful than the previous DS models, but it doesn't seem like it's a significant difference.

And as far as games that they're predecessors can't play go, the DSi only has DSiWare games so far, and I'm aware that there cartridges that can only be used on the DSi, but as I said before, I don't think that will use those cartridges very often. As for the GBC, it's makes sense as to why the system had games its predecessor couldn't play. The games for that system were in color after all. Whereas the original GB wasn't capable of displaying games in color, so it simply wasn't possible for those games to be played on the original GB. The DSi, however, doesn't have that problem. Any retail game released before the DSi can still be played on that system, and the previous DS's can do that as well, in addition to being able to play any new games that come out for it.

That's why the GBC isn't a redesign of the original GB, and why the DSi is another redesign of the DS.

When you say "slighty more powerful".

I mean, from 4 MB ram to 16 MB ram... well its 4x the ram memory, surely for today standards doesn`t seems to look that much... if you compare other systems and computers is always like hm... nothing.

But if a DS can do that much with only 4 MB ram, what do you think that the DSi can do with 4x the ram memory if they push the system to its limit? The DS hardware is being pushed for the limit even more with games like kingdom hearts and suikoden, but i still have to see a game that will push the DSi hardware to the limit... because as we know, those games are only using less than 1/4 of ram memory and half of the processing power.

I won`t argue against the GBC thing, because well, basically i can`t prove that the GBC was intended to be a redesign from the start or just an upgrade, however you can`t prove anything either, unless you have an old maganize or something.

Yeah, maybe we won`t see the DSi cards very often... maybe we will? who know? What i mean is... well if devs start to make games that the DSi can handle easily (Disgaea 2, etc) and the DS can not, we can expect that the DSi substitute the DS lite in the future.

But if they don`t... then well...

I guess it will develop of how Ninty will act for now.

The DSi games are like a tree, if Ninty takes good care of it, they will grow and overshadow the DS lite tree. However they must act carefully here or they may lose a lot of fertilizer for nothing.

If you know what i mean.

I said it was "slightly more powerful" because it isn't as big of a difference between the two as there was be between, say, the Game Boy Advance and the DS. I understand that it is more powerful than the DS Lite, but as I said, it doesn't seem like a significant difference. Maybe it will once we start seeing some games take advantage of the hardware. But that's assuming that the developers will do that, of course. But even if they do, I still think that there won't be any huge differences in terms of graphics.

The only way they could make the graphics significantly better would be to use only one screen, sense that would allow them to take full advantage of the systems hardware. Final Fantasy III did that, and Square Enix had stated that because of it, they could produce better graphics because using only one screen instead of using both allows the DS to use the DS's power to its fullest. And that's because they weren't splitting the consoles power between the two screens like most DS games do, and doing so means that the DS must distribute its power between the two screens in order to display the images on both screens.

The problem with that, however, is that the games themselves don't take advantage of the dual-screen gameplay, which is what the DS was made for. Which means that if developers were to do that, they'd be sacrificing the unique gameplay that we commonly see on the DS, for the sake of better graphics. I'm hoping that's not how the DSi cards will end up being used.

Instead, I'm hoping that developers will use the DSi's features to their advantage with their games. Whether or not those cards will cause the DSi to take the place of the DS Lite, however, remains to be seen.

Whoa this seems to be a very heated Debate. the question at hand, Is DSi a upgraded verion of DS? Well, yea it is, but what a update it is.

Another thing is... there is probably be DSi exclusive games, cuz the hardware is better and DS wont be able to handle it. The question we can't answer is... how many DSi exclusive games will there be? We can only hope to the DS Lite owners that there will not be alot.

In regards to Zelda ST (the start of the thread lol) I'm pretty sure there is going to be the DS version and the DSi version, which would make sense. 1. is keeps the DS lite owners happy and 2. It will make gamers want to play the DSi version, thus buying a DSi and making Nintendo happy. Think of it this way. Zelda TP came out for Wii and GC right? It would most likely be the same right?

We can only speculate. There is no way to know 100% whats going to happen so your bickering about the graghics and wahtever isn't solving anyhting, just frustrating the people involved right?

I agree that DSi is a upgrade, but it's a good upgrade. It's not like the GBA to SP, that was just a different design, but everything was the same.

Trying to say that DS and DSi are the same as GBA to SP wouldn't be right, its close, and the pattern would fit, but its one step below a completely different system, and one step above the average update. (GB > GBC, GBA>GBSP>GBM)

But what do I know lol. I just figure this is waht seems right. Its all imo.

In regards to Zelda ST (the start of the thread lol) I'm pretty sure there is going to be the DS version and the DSi version, which would make sense. 1. is keeps the DS lite owners happy and 2. It will make gamers want to play the DSi version, thus buying a DSi and making Nintendo happy. Think of it this way. Zelda TP came out for Wii and GC right? It would most likely be the same right?Zelgon

Releasing two versions doesn't seem like something Nintendo would do. If they did, then they'd basically be releasing it twice on the same platform, with one only being playable on version of the DS, and the other being playable on all of 'em. And that simply doesn't sound like a smart move at all. I'd say it'd be best if they make it playable on all versions of the DS, instead of keeping it exclusive to one version of the DS.

Which is why I'm guessing they'll use one of those DSi-Enhanced Cards if they want to add some form of DSi functuality, sense they can be played on all models of the DS. That way no ones excluded from playing it, and in addition, sales for the game would be increased, which is, of course, what Nintendo wants.