[QUOTE="magrappy"]Ive played thousands of games over the last 15 years and even put 10,000 hours in to an MMORPG (FFXI) and found it hard to make the move back to console gaming and i thought Twilight Princess had absolutely everything. I loved it start to finish, then start to finish with 3 hearts, hunting down every heart, bug, and poe without any help was brilliant. The story and the ending was top draw. The horse combat ive never played any where, some of the weapons are completly unique and fun to just mess around with for ages killing anything you can. A lot of game play here can't be found any where else, and Cave of Ordeals with 3 hearts is damn damn HARD. I think there's a few hours at least left in fishing for me. It's a slight shame there isn't an arena or something where you can fight the main bosses all over again but i like fighting the last boss and i guess to fight all the others ill just complete it again in a few weeks.Shirley_Temple
I've got similar Credentials. Beat Chrono Trigger several times earning 5 endings, beat WW 3 times, all of them using 3 hearts, Beat Ocarina, Link to the Past and MM over a half dozen times each, logged 200 hours in Oblivion, 250 in Morrowind, have beat KOTORs 1-2 and NWN 2 and all the Seiken Densetsu titles as well as Okami and Shadow of the Colossus.
TP just falls flat in the entertainment department for me. The horse combat isn't very smooth, It suffers from MAJOR pacing problems and its story is a rehash of LTTP but as though they removed all sense of urgency from the game. Dungeons are packed too close together in terms of playing straight through, there's little exposition between em (dungeons), Bosses are simple and unimpressive, ooh a spider, ooh a dragon.
Compare This with this.
Shadow of the Colossus is hands down the winner in terms of impressiveness, scope and scale. And you can't tell me TP's horse combat is better than the ability to hang off the saddle, stand up, and leap off your steed.
TP had no moments of pure wow, like WW, MM, and Ocarina all did.
I've played nearly every top RPGs and I still strongly disagree with you.
The horse combat was merely there for just a few battles and when it happened, it was done well. It wasn't smooth? What does it need to be smooth? You had your sword and the weapons you can use when riding it. They were simple to use. The enemy AI for those horse battles could've been definitely better, IMO, but you wouldn't want an endless horse battle due to attack-blocking and dodging...or would you? There's really not much else that they could've added to horse battles. And you can get on the horse in 2 different ways. There are also 2 different ways to get off from the horse. Sure you can't jump forward from the horse like in SotC, but does it really matter that much? IMO, that's like the really least important part of the game's "flaws".
I didn't feel it had MAJOR pacing problems. The game progressed at a fluid rhythm (WAY more than WW, actually, where you had that god-forsaken Triforce hunt). The only time it didn't was really when they sent you to backtrack a bit (and it didn't even take too long; quite quick, in fact).
The dungeons were too packed together, I'll give you that, but at least it doesn't have events between them that feel forced like hell. Still, that could've been better done, yes.
A rehash of ALttP's story? Are you joking here? What is OoT then?
Lastly, Shadow of the Colossus was about what? Colossus. It HAD to have impressive battles, as that was the main theme. If it lacked in that department, it'd make no sense. And while I agree SotC is an amazing game, it also had it's problems, if you look at it. Also, let me point that, while the bosses were extremely impressive, that game had even easier battles than TP.
TP had it's moments.
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Think about when that godly piano song bursts out while you carry Midna, for example.
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