Square Enix...

you know what I have been noticing... Square Enix has been coming out with a lot of games on The Nintendo DS. I meant they have really been working at it for the Ds. I dont know if its because so many people have them so they need to make extra money so they can have more funding on more projects. OR do they just love th innovative styles of the NIntendo Ds. I dont know.. But let's Discuss it.

I mean they gave us.

FINAL FANTASY CRYSTAL CHRONICLES: Ring of Fates

Final Fantasy 12 Recenant Wings

Dragon Queat Monster:Joker

Final fantasy 3

Final Fantasy 4 (Japan) No US release yey

Front Mission

Heroues Of Mana

Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo Tales

Dragon Quest Heroes Rocket Slime

Also, Kingdom Hearts 358/2 is coming out sometime.

It is probably a combination of both. This I know will be disputed however, the DS is the more successful platform of the handheld market. Granted, not all games on that list were well received however most of the games SE creates are usually must haves (not becuase it came from SE but because of the quality game). They have seen the success of the DS and have decided to run with it. That's not to say that the PSP isnt successful and we could very well see games from SE show up on the PSP like the FF1 and 2 remakes.

Now, as for their future plans and large projects...no idea. They may stick with the PS3 for their large project gaming ventures like with FFXIII *shrugs* who knows. As it stands, they are making a great deal of money off of their DS game division and will continue to do so because of the success and popularity of the DS. I would still welcome games on the PSP.

With 65 million units sold, it's surely about the money. The DS is selling like crazy in Japan right now, so it's a quick and easy way for them to cash in and fund their main projects like FFXIII.

As much as I'd like to say it's about the DS's innovative qualities, I don't think it is. None of the games have really used the touch screen in any meaningful way, and when they do, it's almost always forced or unnecesary. Square Enix are in it for the money.

It's just a shame Square didn't support Nintendo more when they still made top-of-the-line games. They've made some solid games in recent years, but all of their games on the DS are just shadows of their former glory. Not terrible, but nothing as good as the SNES and PS1 days.

Well, Square-enix works this way; new games, sequels and importants remakes for DS, remakes and weird stuff to PSP, and about Kingdom Hearts III for Wii, the only way to that comes to Wii will be because a game with that style will not fix with the PS3 and Square will want to use the same same graphics that the others KH for PS2, so the KHIII could fix well win the Wii and will do a massive upgrade to the graphics of the other KH for PS2 and put it on Wii

It is probably a combination of both. This I know will be disputed however, the DS is the more successful platform of the handheld market. Granted, not all games on that list were well received however most of the games SE creates are usually must haves (not becuase it came from SE but because of the quality game). They have seen the success of the DS and have decided to run with it. That's not to say that the PSP isnt successful and we could very well see games from SE show up on the PSP like the FF1 and 2 remakes.

Now, as for their future plans and large projects...no idea. They may stick with the PS3 for their large project gaming ventures like with FFXIII *shrugs* who knows. As it stands, they are making a great deal of money off of their DS game division and will continue to do so because of the success and popularity of the DS. I would still welcome games on the PSP.

aries8269

Yep, pretty much agree. Though, you can't really say the PSP doesn't get any Square Enix love because a good half of the Square Enix line-up are mainly PSP exclusives and vice versa. It seems they have it split, all remakes go to the DS, sequels to the newest titles, (Ex: FFXII) and the PSP gets games such as Crisis Core, Final Fantasy tactics, (PS version) and the upcoming fighting game with all the Final Fantasy characters and two kingdom hearts games while the Ds gets one. Granted, the DS may get more from Square but if you notice the PSP get some of the better recreations/carry-ons than the DS. Final Fantasy 7 still is hailed as one of Enix's better games. You can only guess how many would swarm to a prequel to the origional.

I do have to agree with the others in the quality of the newer titles. They really don't live up to past games, though maybe that has nothing more to do with the age of the material. When you've found yourself playing all of the games Square has to offer, being an avid fan of the series, after awhile it becomes nothing more than a wash/repeat cycle of new characters thrown into the same situation. What do you expect, when you reach XII of the same game, you're going to eventually run out of ideas. Heck, they've been using the same creature and summon from what seems like the very beginning.

Almost every game that Square Enix releases has an rpg theme to it.

Hope they develop more titles and rpgs in the future.

Hmmm, I do hope that they can remake the FF7 in the DS...

Yep, pretty much agree. Though, you can't really say the PSP doesn't get any Square Enix love because a good half of the Square Enix line-up are mainly PSP exclusives and vice versa. It seems they have it split, all remakes go to the DS, sequels to the newest titles, (Ex: FFXII) and the PSP gets games such as Crisis Core, Final Fantasy tactics, (PS version) and the upcoming fighting game with all the Final Fantasy characters and two kingdom hearts games while the Ds gets one. Granted, the DS may get more from Square but if you notice the PSP get some of the better recreations/carry-ons than the DS. Final Fantasy 7 still is hailed as one of Enix's better games. You can only guess how many would swarm to a prequel to the origional.

I do have to agree with the others in the quality of the newer titles. They really don't live up to past games, though maybe that has nothing more to do with the age of the material. When you've found yourself playing all of the games Square has to offer, being an avid fan of the series, after awhile it becomes nothing more than a wash/repeat cycle of new characters thrown into the same situation. What do you expect, when you reach XII of the same game, you're going to eventually run out of ideas. Heck, they've been using the same creature and summon from what seems like the very beginning.

FallofAthens

I dont know why I'm doing this but I guess it still kind of annoys me how dumb people can get. It's enough to make me feel paranoid to the extent that I believe some people are doing it on purpose just to anger me.

You, um, kind of lost a heck of a lot of credibility in what you stated, after mentioning various points. I mean, I fail to realize where all these PSP exclusives are. Unless you mean FF 1 & 2, which are rather dissapointing. Other than that there's just Crisis Core and the FF tactics remake. Care to refresh me on the other ones?

and since when has it been announced that TWO KH games are being released on the PSP? and your theory of them being "split" sort of disproves itself with the amount of contradictions you have.

Really? Enix were the ones that made Final Fantasy VII? Then that company SQUARESOFT written at the bottom of my copy of FF 7 means that mine is a fake or something? hmm

And regarding your last statement, that's one of the main points of Final Fantasy games; it's the series' trademark.

Sorry, I just thought I'd point that out. you know

Regarding the tc's topic, I'd say it's definitely b/c Square Enix always goes to where the money's at. It's a smart move I'd have to say.

Two reasons

1. Largest install base of any system (mean big money)

2. Their teams have grasped how to program for the DS so even sub par efforts are still fun to play

And you forgot DQ 4 (Japan) and they are also making DQ 5 and 6, so ya, there are alot of games, also FF Tactics A2 is coming, I don't remember seeing it on your list, sry if you did. But you got to remember, SE is really 2 Big companies are wrapped into one, a conglomerate if you will, and when it comes to RPGs, at least JRPGs, Squaresoft and Enix were the two biggest companies around and I remember playing all their games as far back as the early 90's and not once did I think that someday they would become one company, especially since they both had big games and of course they each had their own big franchise in Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest.

So ya, this is the advantage of a merger and why we are seeing so many, you have more resources to work with, bigger budgets and you have more franchises. SE has more then enough developers to make all these games, because right now they are making a descent amount of Console RPGs too, as well as PSP games and Mobile games, so, ya, Im running out of things to say and I don't know how to end this, I can't remember what I even said at the beginning of this post, so I'll end with this, SE is a super huge company composed of two big ass companies with a bunch of kickass games and franchises.

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Yep, pretty much agree. Though, you can't really say the PSP doesn't get any Square Enix love because a good half of the Square Enix line-up are mainly PSP exclusives and vice versa. It seems they have it split, all remakes go to the DS, sequels to the newest titles, (Ex: FFXII) and the PSP gets games such as Crisis Core, Final Fantasy tactics, (PS version) and the upcoming fighting game with all the Final Fantasy characters and two kingdom hearts games while the Ds gets one. Granted, the DS may get more from Square but if you notice the PSP get some of the better recreations/carry-ons than the DS. Final Fantasy 7 still is hailed as one of Enix's better games. You can only guess how many would swarm to a prequel to the origional.

I do have to agree with the others in the quality of the newer titles. They really don't live up to past games, though maybe that has nothing more to do with the age of the material. When you've found yourself playing all of the games Square has to offer, being an avid fan of the series, after awhile it becomes nothing more than a wash/repeat cycle of new characters thrown into the same situation. What do you expect, when you reach XII of the same game, you're going to eventually run out of ideas. Heck, they've been using the same creature and summon from what seems like the very beginning.

thattotally

I dont know why I'm doing this but I guess it still kind of annoys me how dumb people can get. It's enough to make me feel paranoid to the extent that I believe some people are doing it on purpose just to anger me.

You, um, kind of lost a heck of a lot of credibility in what you stated, after mentioning various points. I mean, I fail to realize where all these PSP exclusives are. Unless you mean FF 1 & 2, which are rather dissapointing. Other than that there's just Crisis Core and the FF tactics remake. Care to refresh me on the other ones?

and since when has it been announced that TWO KH games are being released on the PSP? and your theory of them being "split" sort of disproves itself with the amount of contradictions you have.

Really? Enix were the ones that made Final Fantasy VII? Then that company SQUARESOFT written at the bottom of my copy of FF 7 means that mine is a fake or something? hmm

And regarding your last statement, that's one of the main points of Final Fantasy games; it's the series' trademark.

Sorry, I just thought I'd point that out. you know

Regarding the tc's topic, I'd say it's definitely b/c Square Enix always goes to where the money's at. It's a smart move I'd have to say.

Well, I apologize, I seriously thought there was more games for the PSP. After browsing Square's site I realize there was less than I credited them for. you're right, there isn't that many. Being only a DS owner, I really never looked it up. Just went with what I knew and that is the titles you see constantly. I just figured there was a few more around there somewhere.

I read somewhere, (Have no clue where) that the Kingdom Hearts 398/2 (?) was supposed to be both on the DS AND the PSP, but after reading what you stated and going back, I see no other reference to that. My sources were wrong nor have I really cared that much for Kingdom hearts after the first one, so I didn't really do much info searching. (before this)

What the heck does that have to do with anything? I know Square made FF 7. But there not Square anymore, they are Square-Enix. the license has changed to THAT company, (which is just a merger) so technically though Square-Enix didn't make FF9 (10?) and below, they have rights now. As far as I know they can do anything with the license for those games. Like for instance: Remake every single one of them as they seem to be doing now.

I'll argue with you on that. Have you ever watched a movie over and over again? Gets tiring after awhile, right? I know it's they're trademark, but given the circumstances when you play with the same characteristics after awhile, people will begin to grow weary of the same things over and over. I think that's why some of the newer Final Fantasy games are not as well received as previous entries because, one: It really isn't that different. Two: The story is somewhat starting to become a repeat of previous titles with a few changes. Three: Basically all of the DS games based off the Final Fantasy series are completely 'Kidifide.' I loved Final Fantasy XII, one of my favorites, but Revnent Wings felt like a sorry excuse of a sequel and didn't even come close to the same feeling I had with the original.

Well, I apologize, I seriously thought there was more games for the PSP. After browsing Square's site I realize there was less than I credited them for. you're right, there isn't that many. Being only a DS owner, I really never looked it up. Just went with what I knew and that is the titles you see constantly. I just figured there was a few more around there somewhere.

I read somewhere, (Have no clue where) that the Kingdom Hearts 398/2 (?) was supposed to be both on the DS AND the PSP, but after reading what you stated and going back, I see no other reference to that. My sources were wrong nor have I really cared that much for Kingdom hearts after the first one, so I didn't really do much info searching. (before this)

What the heck does that have to do with anything? I know Square made FF 7. But there not Square anymore, they are Square-Enix. the license has changed to THAT company, (which is just a merger) so technically though Square-Enix didn't make FF9 (10?) and below, they have rights now. As far as I know they can do anything with the license for those games. Like for instance: Remake every single one of them as they seem to be doing now.

I'll argue with you on that. Have you ever watched a movie over and over again? Gets tiring after awhile, right? I know it's they're trademark, but given the circumstances when you play with the same characteristics after awhile, people will begin to grow weary of the same things over and over. I think that's why some of the newer Final Fantasy games are not as well received as previous entries because, one: It really isn't that different. Two: The story is somewhat starting to become a repeat of previous titles with a few changes. Three: Basically all of the DS games based off the Final Fantasy series are completely 'Kidifide.' I loved Final Fantasy XII, one of my favorites, but Revnent Wings felt like a sorry excuse of a sequel and didn't even come close to the same feeling I had with the original.

FallofAthens

Well good I'm glad you realized your mistakes and rectified them early enough.

And obviously, they are not just squaresoft anymore. But you realize that you put "Enix" in your post? Not only is that not correct, but in the context of your post, it addressed the fact that FF 7 was hailed as the greatest, seemingly implying that you're talking about past to present. So the least you could have done if not addressing Square is mention the actual merger. You didnt write Square Enix, you wrote just Enix, and with your past mistakes it really seemed like you were devoid of any credibility whatsoever. You understand where I'm coming from right?

anyway, true DS games are simplified and "kiddy". But you should expect that already, the past few years Nintendo have been receiving less treatment of good games from Square Enix, but due to the popularity and recent sales the relationship with the two companies seems to be fixed. We might be actually getting even better games sometime down the road.

I wouldnt know much about repetitive stories, but pretty much all JRPG's and I think rpgs in general have similar storylines. It's always about defeating the bad guy and whatnot. Heck isnt that true for all games? In any case it all broils down to opinion; you seem to not like the series staple and trademarks present in the games, while others enjoy the reference and such. It really depends on that point

Well good I'm glad you realized your mistakes and rectified them early enough.

And obviously, they are not just squaresoft anymore. But you realize that you put "Enix" in your post? Not only is that not correct, but in the context of your post, it addressed the fact that FF 7 was hailed as the greatest, seemingly implying that you're talking about past to present. So the least you could have done if not addressing Square is mention the actual merger. You didnt write Square Enix, you wrote just Enix, and with your past mistakes it really seemed like you were devoid of any credibility whatsoever. You understand where I'm coming from right?

anyway, true DS games are simplified and "kiddy". But you should expect that already, the past few years Nintendo have been receiving less treatment of good games from Square Enix, but due to the popularity and recent sales the relationship with the two companies seems to be fixed. We might be actually getting even better games sometime down the road.

I wouldnt know much about repetitive stories, but pretty much all JRPG's and I think rpgs in general have similar storylines. It's always about defeating the bad guy and whatnot. Heck isnt that true for all games? In any case it all broils down to opinion; you seem to not like the series staple and trademarks present in the games, while others enjoy the reference and such. It really depends on that point

Thanks for accepting, It's bad enough I feel utterly moronic right about now. :P Guess I shoud have done a little bit more research before I opened my mouth. Bad Habit.

Ah, I see. I meant to put Square for short but I accidently placed Enix. Sorry about that, I understand where your coming from.

I at least hope so. The only problem I had about the Square-Enix games that have been coming out for the DS was the lack of, how shall I say, depth behind them. Like the stories were thrown together and shown with childish dialoge. Sort of made it feel like they really didn't even put in an effort and just threw the Final Fantasy logo on there. By all means I'm not saying there bad, but when you take the story away from an RPG, you really have nothing left but the mechanics to keep it going. But yes, that is my opinion, I'm sure plenty would disagree with me.

I enjoy RPGs, a little bit more than you may think, but I guess after what seems like the hundreth time going through what seems like the same ol' quest, well, I guess I'm just getting a little bored with the genre all together; I'm like that with FPS as well, but of course that's off topic. With that said, I am looking forward to a few Square-Enix titles, such as It's a Wonderful World, because the story seems very unique, FFTA2 and I might decide to try out DragonQuest Joker, seeing as that has more of a 'Collect them all' feel to it than an RPG. And of course there are a few RPGs beyond Square I want to get as well. Such as Rondo of Swords, Fire Emblem DS and Ash if they ever decide to port it to America.

I'm a big fan of SE games.

But honestly, I don't think they've used the DS to its full potential.

Thanks for accepting, It's bad enough I feel utterly moronic right about now. :P Guess I shoud have done a little bit more research before I opened my mouth. Bad Habit.

Ah, I see. I meant to put Square for short but I accidently placed Enix. Sorry about that, I understand where your coming from.

I at least hope so. The only problem I had about the Square-Enix games that have been coming out for the DS was the lack of, how shall I say, depth behind them. Like the stories were thrown together and shown with childish dialoge. Sort of made it feel like they really didn't even put in an effort and just threw the Final Fantasy logo on there. By all means I'm not saying there bad, but when you take the story away from an RPG, you really have nothing left but the mechanics to keep it going. But yes, that is my opinion, I'm sure plenty would disagree with me.

I enjoy RPGs, a little bit more than you may think, but I guess after what seems like the hundreth time going through what seems like the same ol' quest, well, I guess I'm just getting a little bored with the genre all together; I'm like that with FPS as well, but of course that's off topic. With that said, I am looking forward to a few Square-Enix titles, such as It's a Wonderful World, because the story seems very unique, FFTA2 and I might decide to try out DragonQuest Joker, seeing as that has more of a 'Collect them all' feel to it than an RPG. And of course there are a few RPGs beyond Square I want to get as well. Such as Rondo of Swords, Fire Emblem DS and Ash if they ever decide to port it to America.

FallofAthens

Well it's quite alright, everyone has their off days after all.

I'm actually more of a traditional rpg man myself, and I dont care much for the MMO's or the tactics ones, I just prefer the normal numbered Final Fantasies, and any rpg's that are of a similar sort. Which is why I'm hoping not only for a US release of FF 4 but also a release of DQ 4 and all the other subsequent remakes