The Conduit Framerate question

People have said that The Conduits frame rate is at 30, like locked in. People also said they can fit 60fps in there to make it a lot better, even if they have to tone down polygons. Im asking, why is it only 30, 60, and so on? Why can't they just have like 45 fps?

It was shaky at 60 FPS, but muh better and solid at 30.

Common sense tells me that it is better to find middle ground and go for 45 FPS, but I guess it just doesn't work that way.

I believe television only come in 30, 60 and 120, and 120 has only been around for a year or so and only available on 1080p hdtvs. (I think)

The standard for the human eye scientifically is around 30 fps. Supposedly motion should seem smooth and crisp at >30 fps.

I think that has to do something with the way a TV Monitor "refreshes" its screen. You know, the hertz rating it has?MrStreetFighter

The TV has nothing to do with frames per second (fps)

The games consist of rendered images (stills or picks). One still or pic is placed one after another to show motion. One image is rendered, showed, then the player puts in some form of input or environments do something, a new image must be rendered.

Frames per second is the number of stills that are shown in one second of gameplay.

-60 is a benchmark, it is the point where you don't notice any form of still images

-30 is a minimum for decency, any lower and you can tell that there are seperate images one after the other

-with a powerful enough PC, the frames per second can go as high as 200 - 300 frames per second, except for Crysis, that stays mainly between 25 and 35 on MAXIMUM settings

[QUOTE="MrStreetFighter"]I think that has to do something with the way a TV Monitor "refreshes" its screen. You know, the hertz rating it has?snover2009

The TV has nothing to do with frames per second (fps)

The games consist of rendered images (stills or picks). One still or pic is placed one after another to show motion. One image is rendered, showed, then the player puts in some form of input or environments do something, a new image must be rendered.

Frames per second is the number of stills that are shown in one second of gameplay.

-60 is a benchmark, it is the point where you don't notice any form of still images

-30 is a minimum for decency, any lower and you can tell that there are seperate images one after the other

-with a powerful enough PC, the frames per second can go as high as 200 - 300 frames per second, except for Crysis, that stays mainly between 25 and 35 on MAXIMUM settings

I'm pretty sure I remember reading something like this before. That's why some games slow down when to much stuff happens. right?

The frames per second of a game has NOTHING to do with what you see but with how it PLAYS. A game with a higher framerate will play much smoother than a lower framerate. You don't play TV so that is why it doesn't matter to have it so low. channtheman1

It has everything to do with what you see. Whether playing a game or watching TV you are watching interchangable frames, or if you like, images. Frames per second refers to how many of these frames, or images, are displayed within a single second. If something is running at 30fps, it is displaying 30 frames or images every second. This is what you see.

I don't have a clue what you mean when you say framerate is determined by how a game plays. As i've said, when you play a game you are watching interchangable images on a screen. That is no different to watching a TV show. The fact that you interact with a game does not effect how many frames, or images, your eyes will pick up in a single second. Of course a game with a higher frame rate will appear smoother. That's because with more frames you can display a smoother transformation between images. Animations become more detailed and fluid, and that's what you notice with your eyes when looking at the game. I don't know why TV programmes use fewer frames per second than modern games, but it probably has something to do with your own eyes only picking up around 30 frames per second themselves.

Although you may notice minute differences between a game running at 30fps and 60fps, you'd literally be kidding yourself if you said you noticed further improvements beyond that.

Sorry if this sounded like I was having a go at you. I'm really not. I'm merely pointing out what most other users have already done.

:)

[QUOTE="MrStreetFighter"]I think that has to do something with the way a TV Monitor "refreshes" its screen. You know, the hertz rating it has?snover2009

The TV has nothing to do with frames per second (fps)

The games consist of rendered images (stills or picks). One still or pic is placed one after another to show motion. One image is rendered, showed, then the player puts in some form of input or environments do something, a new image must be rendered.

Frames per second is the number of stills that are shown in one second of gameplay.

-60 is a benchmark, it is the point where you don't notice any form of still images

-30 is a minimum for decency, any lower and you can tell that there are seperate images one after the other

-with a powerful enough PC, the frames per second can go as high as 200 - 300 frames per second, except for Crysis, that stays mainly between 25 and 35 on MAXIMUM settings

It are just standards. How higher the framerate, how smoother it seems to go. But the human eye can only see 24 frames a second so everything higher is already smooth enough basically.Sgt_Crow

Yeah the human eye sees only 24fps thats why TV runs at 24fps. With TV running at the same rate as your eyes TV can somewhat hypnotize you. You ever seen someone (or done it yourself), just staring at the TV and when you ask them what they are watching they go "idk let me check" when just a moment ago they were just staring at the screen.. lol so 30fps should be MORE than enough for games.

[QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"]It are just standards. How higher the framerate, how smoother it seems to go. But the human eye can only see 24 frames a second so everything higher is already smooth enough basically.MadSavage22

Yeah the human eye sees only 24fps thats why TV runs at 24fps. With TV running at the same rate as your eyes TV can somewhat hypnotize you. You ever seen someone (or done it yourself), just staring at the TV and when you ask them what they are watching they go "idk let me check" when just a moment ago they were just staring at the screen.. lol so 30fps should be MORE than enough for games.

Yep.
Well not all tv's though. Here in Europe we have PAL and it runs at 25 or 26 fps iirc.

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[QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"]It are just standards. How higher the framerate, how smoother it seems to go. But the human eye can only see 24 frames a second so everything higher is already smooth enough basically.Sgt_Crow

Yeah the human eye sees only 24fps thats why TV runs at 24fps. With TV running at the same rate as your eyes TV can somewhat hypnotize you. You ever seen someone (or done it yourself), just staring at the TV and when you ask them what they are watching they go "idk let me check" when just a moment ago they were just staring at the screen.. lol so 30fps should be MORE than enough for games.

Yep.
Well not all tv's though. Here in Europe we have PAL and it runs at 25 or 26 fps iirc.

Yeah here in America they are using our own bodies against us! Those bastards LOL

[QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"]It are just standards. How higher the framerate, how smoother it seems to go. But the human eye can only see 24 frames a second so everything higher is already smooth enough basically.MadSavage22

Yeah the human eye sees only 24fps thats why TV runs at 24fps. With TV running at the same rate as your eyes TV can somewhat hypnotize you. You ever seen someone (or done it yourself), just staring at the TV and when you ask them what they are watching they go "idk let me check" when just a moment ago they were just staring at the screen.. lol so 30fps should be MORE than enough for games.

Now that I think about 30fps is probably one of the best rates for games to be running in. Its more than enough for our eyes to enjoy whats going on. It allows more flexibilty with game developing and with it running faster than our eyes can see, than it eleminates the whole getting hypnotized thing...so 30fps isnt half bad at all.

oh, boy. another thread going to be locked soon. lol

actually, i coudn't care less about the framerate. if they already said they've reached a locked 30fps, then i'm fine.

I believe television only come in 30, 60 and 120, and 120 has only been around for a year or so and only available on 1080p hdtvs. (I think)

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