The DS Zeldas are terrible casual crossover titles.

While the games themselves are great, from my experience they bothgames start off slow and text heavy.

And they also contain some puzzles / segments that might overwhelm and/or bore casual players.

This is my experience anyways, I have had zero success getting some of my friends/family to enjoy these games.

Agree or disagree? Discuss.

Zelda isn't even a "hardcore" series, it's a series that appeals to everyone. Phantom Hourglass was bad, but Spirit Tracks was actually very fun.

Zelda isn't even a "hardcore" series, it's a series that appeals to everyone. Phantom Hourglass was bad, but Spirit Tracks was actually very fun.

AfterBurnerZ

It's hardcore for Nintendo... :(

But yah, I have never played a Zelda before Phantom Hour Glass, and just didn't like it, so it kinda turned me off to the series :(

i agree i think they should let is just be a decent sequel to minish cap not boats and trains. just fun hack and slash with buttons zelda.merch

PH had an okay difficulty it was mostly easy but had a few very hard parts.

ST starts off really super easy, but then magically gets hard near the end

Both of these games are great and near the top of my favorite DS games list. They look, control,sound better from any other DS games I've played

Zelda isn't even a "hardcore" series, it's a series that appeals to everyone. Phantom Hourglass was bad, but Spirit Tracks was actually very fun.

AfterBurnerZ

Hardcore doesn't mean hard or mature content, the main Zelda/Mario/Metroid games are the 'core' (hardcore) Nintendo games.

on topic; The DS Zeldas are not targeted to the casual crowd, they are just abit more accessible, in case a casual would pick it up they wouldn't have the same trouble getting into, and completing the game as they would with previous Zelda games. Games are becoming mainstreamed everywhere, this is just a part of that. Zelda games will not be as you remember them, in the future. Zelda TP is also the last 3D Zelda as we know it. Everything is getting mainstreamed, it does not mean the game is casual. If you don't know what that means look at CoD4:MW2 and compare it with MW1, it's dumbed down so that it becomes quick to pick up and play in order to get people with low attention spans playing it, this doesn't make the game casual though.

[QUOTE="merch"]i agree i think they should let is just be a decent sequel to minish cap not boats and trains. just fun hack and slash with buttons zelda.Dealge

i agree i think they should let is just be a decent sequel to minish cap not boats and trains. just fun hack and slash with buttons zelda.merch

I agree. They straddle a weird line where they're not as accessable for starting players as they should be and not nearly as deep as Zelda fans would like. Then you get painfully bad segments like The Temple of the Ocean King or the train bits that almost completely ruin everything else about the games and you have to wonder exactly what Nintendo was thinking. In their defense, I did buy the first game, which probably validated all of their design decisions. I learned my lesson and skipped Spirit Tracks, though.DJ_Lae

Why do people hate the train from Legend of Zelda Spirit Tracks? If you think about it, the train is sort of the same as the boat from Legend of Zelda Wind Waker. You need them both to get around to places. I actually enjoyed using the train. Hyrule's technology is advancing slowly.

[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]I agree. They straddle a weird line where they're not as accessable for starting players as they should be and not nearly as deep as Zelda fans would like. Then you get painfully bad segments like The Temple of the Ocean King or the train bits that almost completely ruin everything else about the games and you have to wonder exactly what Nintendo was thinking. In their defense, I did buy the first game, which probably validated all of their design decisions. I learned my lesson and skipped Spirit Tracks, though.Rod90