The Limitations of the Wii

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#1 LizardMan676
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Now this topic is not made to bash the Wii, but only to critique its somewhat shacky primis. That primis being more interactive gameplay (casual gamer) less eye candy (either or, it can be attractive to everyone).

While I do think the Wii is very fun to play, I fond that the novelty of it wore of rather quicky to my disapointment. This led me to think about the future of the console. I will say offers some very fun gameplay, which is usually better with freinds or family, but I just don't see it consestantly delivering the goods. Eventually players will feel the repetetiveness of the titles, I mean you can only have so many Wii sports titles.


Also, how will the Wii's story titles, or mainstream games be? While I'm not totally sold on "graphics makes a game better", they do certainly help buff out a story line. And I'm sure with even last gen graphics the wii can do this, I just don't see what will keep players comming back for more.

Just my 2cents

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#2 ZumaJones07
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I was also concerned with the Wii's limits, but not anymore... sure I would have liked RE5, but we all know that's not happening. Games like MP3 and SMG will set a new bar for developers to gaze at from below. Games don't have to have stellar visuals to sell well...look at the DS.
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SMG,SSBB,MP3.
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#4 sun_spirit
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It's true that the Wii is a family console, and of course these gamesonly are entertaining for so long.
But Nintendo won't focus only on family's and casual gamers.

Metroid and Zelda for example.

I can see a good future for it though, when 3rd party developers get more used to the Wii's technology!

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#5 Wiifanboy_4life
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The Wii has no boundaries! The possibilities are endless! Though, I agree, the graphics could be better. I played Gears of War on my step dad's 360, and then played Zelda on the Wii, and I was shocked. But still, Mario Kart Wii will never get boring. I'd still be playing Mario Kart DS (nearly 2 years after release) if my DS's L shoulder button wasn't broken. Worry not, the Wii will last until Nintendo's next console, if there is going to be one.

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#6 wii4me
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the ps2 had worse graphics the the xbox yet still sold 80 million consoles more, so graphics arent holding it back, plus how can you say future titles arent promising, mp3 ssbb mg mario kart plus bw2 and call of duty w/ 32 multiplayer, thats 6 titles in 6 months all wich i want to buy
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the ps2 had worse graphics the the xbox yet still sold 80 million consoles more, so graphics arent holding it back, plus how can you say future titles arent promising, mp3 ssbb mg mario kart plus bw2 and call of duty w/ 32 multiplayer, thats 6 titles in 6 months all wich i want to buywii4me


But the level of difference in graphics wasn't as large as the gap is for the Wii vs. the 360 or PS3.
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#8 wii4me
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thats true
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the ps2 had worse graphics the the xbox yet still sold 80 million consoles more, so graphics arent holding it back, plus how can you say future titles arent promising, mp3 ssbb mg mario kart plus bw2 and call of duty w/ 32 multiplayer, thats 6 titles in 6 months all wich i want to buywii4me

I think you mean MOH: Heroes 2

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#10 wii4me
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yeah thats the one
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#11 mammoth92
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I think it is too early to be talking about the limitation of the Wii. We are not even a year out from launch yet, both the 360 and the PS3 got bashed for it's first round of games not living up to the "HD Era" hype. No, the Wii will never be comparable to the 360 or PS3 graphics wise, but developers have not even begun to stretch the Wii's capabilities.
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#12 Marmba
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Zelda is a cauasl gamer game lol if i didnt pick up hearts i coulda beat that game with only 3 hearts
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#14 Marmba
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yea and besides nintendo know what their doing lol
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#15 DARKJAKE13
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Graphics are the last thing anyone should look at when getting a console. I bought the Wii because of it's innovation. Nintendo has always been about innovative gameplay. Just look at the DS. Nintendo said it was not the next Gameboy, but a look into the future of handhelds. If your going for graphics, then a PS3 is your bet then. The PS3 is just basically a PS2 with better graphics. I own a PS2 and will get a PS3 much, much later, mainly because their games are just mostly show to me. But I chose Wii for the overall interacting of games.
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#16 ryokinshin6x3
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so is your message that all ps3 games are worthless jsut because it dosnt have motion sensing?

my point is that you shouldnt have to make a decision between either good hardware or something more innovative. more or less nintendo could have done both, but decided not to spend money, easily proven by the fact that they make a profit on every console they sell

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#17 vashkey
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I might have different taste than most people, but when it comes to graphics, there need to be a certain level of polish for it to have to not anoy me. I mean, gameplay is great and t's mostly what a game is all about, but youkno alot of times you have a bad game just by looking at it. Normally a game developer puts alot of eefort in each part of a game f it's good. But say a game like far cry insticts for example for the Wii. It had bad graphics.... and bad gameplay. Because it was a quick and poor port job.

You see what Im getting at? Think about it. How many good games are there that look bad.

As for the Wii's capabilities, while they aren't up there with the PS3 and the 360, it's not really that bad. Okay, so none of the current games look that great, but thats because most of them haven't really had that much work put in them.

RE4 and LoZ TP do look good to a certain extent. At least good enough that you can play ad enjoy with out think, "This is annoyingly ugly", but they most certainly do not show of the Wii's added power. But wait till Metroid Prime 3. That should give you a tasteof Wii's power.

The only reason I think a person could think that the Wii is weak is if they could not stand anything weaker than a 360/PS3(which would mean they didn't like games last gen) or they tyhink that the current game line up shows the Wii's full capabilities. To the latter, may I assure you, you haven't seen anything yet.

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#18 catfishmoon23
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so is your message that all ps3 games are worthless jsut because it dosnt have motion sensing?ryokinshin6x3

He didn't really say that. He said the PS3 is a PS2 with great graphics. It doesn't have many great games now(same could be said about the wii). Besides, the PS2 is an awesome system with great games so saying the PS3 is a PS2 with awesome graphics isn't neccesarily a bad thing. TBH though, the PS3 also has many more media capabilities than a PS2 so it definitely isn't just a PS2 with awesomegraphics.

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#19 ryokinshin6x3
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the wiis hardware is way too underpowered for anything thats much better then what we have seen
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#20 vashkey
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Zelda is a cauasl gamer game lol if i didnt pick up hearts i coulda beat that game with only 3 heartsMarmba

Far from it. Zelda's puzzles are far to complex for the casual gamer. And the single player is all there is to it.

The only games from Nintendo on the Wii that are targeted for the casual gamer are Mario Party 6, the Wii line of games(like Wii play and Wii sports) and Wario Ware. And Maybe Mario Strikers Charged. Thats it.

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#21 wii4me
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I might have different taste than most people, but when it comes to graphics, there need to be a certain level of polish for it to have to not anoy me. I mean, gameplay is great and t's mostly what a game is all about, but youkno alot of times you have a bad game just by looking at it. Normally a game developer puts alot of eefort in each part of a game f it's good. But say a game like far cry insticts for example for the Wii. It had bad graphics.... and bad gameplay. Because it was a quick and poor port job.

You see what Im getting at? Think about it. How many good games are there that look bad.

As for the Wii's capabilities, while they aren't up there with the PS3 and the 360, it's not really that bad. Okay, so none of the current games look that great, but thats because most of them haven't really had that much work put in them.

RE4 and LoZ TP do look good to a certain extent. At least good enough that you can play ad enjoy with out think, "This is annoyingly ugly", but they most certainly do not show of the Wii's added power. But wait till Metroid Prime 3. That should give you a tasteof Wii's power.

The only reason I think a person could think that the Wii is weak is if they could not stand anything weaker than a 360/PS3(which would mean they didn't like games last gen) or they tyhink that the current game line up shows the Wii's full capabilities. To the latter, may I assure you, you haven't seen anything yet.

vashkey
what a sony slave, and why does a game not having good graphics annoy u, look where all modern games came from and how fun older games were, plus wii doesnt have bad graphics, its proccessing power is equal to an xbox, and werent xbox games the best graphics around 2 yrs ago
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#22 ryokinshin6x3
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no a pc was 2 years ago and please drop the gfx whore attitude, hes trying to have a conversation and not have this turn into a fanboy argument

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#23 strife14467
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Yeah the whole graphics argument is dumb. Anyone that bought a Wii expecting the graphics of the 360 or PS3 obviously didn't do much research on it. If you're the type that wants the best looking games possible, then you'll probably want a 360 or PS3. If you want something different than the typical game console, then you probably want the Wii. I don't see why people have to bash any of the 3 consoles. They all have their own positives and negatives, but don't bash them yet when we haven't even seen the best they have to offer!
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#24 haziqonfire
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wii is one console that will deliver different gameplay experiences for each game. As long as those experiences are good, we have nothing to worry about
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#25 magnax1
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ive looked into the power of the wii because at first i was very dissapointed. It is more powerful than people think it spretty close to the power of a lower end 128 mb pc card and an old 1.5-2ghz pentium 4 processor. while this isnt anything special i think itll be able to do some nice shader (it has 8 pixel shaders and 2 vertex) and texture stuff for a standard def gaming machine later in its life. it might even be able to do some games like a really low res version of cod2 whith less shading obviously.
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#26 ryokinshin6x3
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gets your facts straight, theres no mention of shaders anywhere

729mhz power pc processo thats based off the power pc g3 line

243mhz gfx chip with 3mb video ramis all the information about this

88mb of system ram

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_wii#_note-IGNTech go there and read the sources if you wish this is the closest information we will ever have

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#27 chris3116
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Man, there's again some debates about the limitations of the Wii. If you want something that has no limitations, go buy a PC and upgrade it more and more.I want new original IP with a new control schemes. If you want rehashes and sequels withbetter graphics, go for the others 2 consoles.

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#28 ryokinshin6x3
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sosaying assassins creed, bioshock, gears of war, fallout 3, heavenly sword, all these games are rehashes? maybe most people dont spend around 1k for a comp(to beat a console anyways) and want to upgrade for gaming

red steel isnt exactlythe kind of revolutionary game your talking about either

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#29 draftrough
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the wii does have shder capabilities they just have to program them in a GAME CONSOLE way not like a tiny computer like the 360/ps3 theres a thread in here somewhere with the link to the proof find it yourself.
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#30 ryokinshin6x3
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i know it has shaders, and all consoles are programmed with dev kits, so its a game console way

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#31 magnax1
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gets your facts straight, theres no mention of shaders anywhere

729mhz power pc processo thats based off the power pc g3 line

243mhz gfx chip with 3mb video ramis all the information about this

88mb of system ram

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_wii#_note-IGNTech go there and read the sources if you wish this is the closest information we will ever have

ryokinshin6x3

Get your facts right even the gc had shaders..... sorry to dissapoint you. It had 4 pixel shaders.

edit: and i didn't say it is actually 2ghz. a g3 is nearly 2 times more efficient whith its power than a pentium 4 and also they obviously would have put moreeffort in it since it is already like a five year old chip set,and the ram is much much faster than a 128 mb card like i saidthusly it is close to equal to what i said, im no expert though but i do know something about computers.

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#32 moondoggey
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i think we should ask these qust after smg comes out

from what i seen on that game it looks really good i think too many people are under the wrong impressed about the wii

true it cant over power ps3/360 but it can hold its own in gameplay and besides the wii is haveing some of my favs such as smg ssbb ssmk and a game im looking to forward to bwii thats just of the hits comeing for the wii