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#1 pp222
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I'm tired of all these "Lol let's create a new Zelda timeline". I would much rather have direct sequels like LoZ to Link's Awakening, Ocarina to Majora, Wind Waker to PH. Yet Nintendo had to make TP and entierly new timeline. I mean, how many do we have now? It doesn't make sense. I'd like the next Zelda title to be a follow-up to TP. It would be nice if Nintendo also cleared up when the varous games happened, and explained how the Link bloodline developed.

And while Ganondorf is an awesome villain we need some variety. Skull Kid & Majora's Mask and Vaati were both fun. A new villain would be nice.

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#2 1425678786655
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ya id like to see a sequel to TP in the same type world but link travels away sorta thing like in majoras mask

but they need to put the ocarina back in i mean the ocarina WAS link :(

and they do need ot start explaining the bloodline which i never really understand and a new villain would be nice or maybe even if they made one superior to ganondorf :o

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#3 jdc6305
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Yeah I was thinking the same thing the other day. Personaly I'd like to see a cell shaded Zelda. I'm replaying Wind Waker right now and I'm loving some of the effects that Twilight Princess didn't have. Maybe an adult Link this time instead of a kid Link.

Things that I don't want in another Zelda are. A side story game like Majoras Mask was and I don't want them to tamper with the formula that much. I have a bad feeling the next Zelda thier gonna screw it up somehow.

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#4 BigBen11111
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If so then I wanna see some true sequel(s) for the first two Zelda titles. Btw, I think Four Swords takes place after Link's Awakening, because LA was a dream & in Four Swords it started with Link waking up at a shore.
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#5 Wolblade
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Theoritically, they all exist within the same timeline in one way or another, but that's another topic for another day. Personally, I don't mind a new installment to the series. I don't see where Twilight Princess could go afterwards, but that's just how I see it. I'm still longing for another installment to the Four Swords series, which would be a killer WiiWare title. The thing I want to see is a Zelda game which truly utilizes the Wii's hardware.
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#6 Erebyssial
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Heh I actually like the way Nintendo doesn't reveal much about the exact Zelda timeline. It's always fun to speculate and see all the theories that everyone comes up with.
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#7 Wintry_Flutist
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Get informed, TP is in the same timeline as Majora's Mask, that is, in Ocarina of Time present timeline (while WW and PH are in the future timeline).

And, given that Zelda focus so little in story, there's not much point in sequels. I also believe Nintendo should give up the timeline they've been building since Ocarina of Time, so they can reset the series - just like OoT did, by the way.

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#8 blueydwlf
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Ive really been thinking alot about the whole Zelda thing here lately. I would really love to see a total remake of the original game. Dont change the formula or the characters, just improve and expand on them. Link is just a wondering boy who comes across this kingdom(Hyrule) in a moment of peril (Ganon taking over) and has to become a hero and save the day. They could really explain Link's back story, where he came from and why he's alone. where Ganon game from. Flesh out the characters we really barely get to see like Impa and the king. With todays graphics and a truly cinematic story,(cg cut scenes maybe), I think this would truly take the classic game and just make it that much more awsome.
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#9 Jaysonguy
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Twilight Princess is by many the worst installment of the series.

There is no need to continue down that road

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#10 everlong12
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I think the next one should be a direct sequel to the Twilight Princess. It should have it kind of like the original but make it so that the worlds are meshing more like there might be half a temple shrouded in darkness. People could even be turning into strange creatures because of it Even maybe draw more on the Hylians who helped in the first and make them more involved in this one. Maybe they could even bring Midna back but she's been corrupted some how by the evil power Ganon brought into the Twilight Realm with the Triforce of Power. Believe me, I have Ideas.

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#11 everlong12
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I think an incredible story for a game would be going back to Ocarina of Time. This time, however, Zelda is the main character. Make a game explaining what she went through all 7 years when Link was trapped in the chamber of the Sages. Explain her trails to becoming a sage. You could have it so she could switch between Zelda who could have more magic items and Sheik is the more physical side. I've written all the game mechanics of it. The whole system. Even a few concept drawings.

Sorry had to add that too!!

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#12 Rod90
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Yes, they should. I liked that PH was a "direct" sequel of WW. Would be better if it was more "direct" (like that you need to play the prequel to understand the next one).
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#13 Head_of_games
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Vatti would be awesome in 3D. I can almost hear his maniacle laugh.
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#14 ZumaJones07
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The next Zelda game should be a direct sequel to Phantom Hourglass. Gimme Gimme!! :evil:
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#15 chocolate1325
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I would like to see a follow up to Twilight Princess but I would like more to see a completely new Zelda game rather than a follow up.
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Get informed, TP is in the same timeline as Majora's Mask, that is, in Ocarina of Time present timeline (while WW and PH are in the future timeline).

And, given that Zelda focus so little in story, there's not much point in sequels. I also believe Nintendo should give up the timeline they've been building since Ocarina of Time, so they can reset the series - just like OoT did, by the way.

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i thought that WW was in the same timeline as MM, because when link leaves hyrule thats when the flood happens? and in TP link is in hyrule, hence no flood. both are set 100 years after OoT right?
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#17 Jaysonguy
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The next Zelda game should be a direct sequel to Phantom Hourglass. Gimme Gimme!! :evil:ZumaJones07

Now you're talking!

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#18 pp222
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Get informed, TP is in the same timeline as Majora's Mask, that is, in Ocarina of Time present timeline (while WW and PH are in the future timeline).

And, given that Zelda focus so little in story, there's not much point in sequels. I also believe Nintendo should give up the timeline they've been building since Ocarina of Time, so they can reset the series - just like OoT did, by the way.

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You got a source to confirm this, boy?
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#19 kenakuma
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Ocarina of time split the game into 2 different timelines.

The first being adult links timeline where gannon is sealed away but evetualy escapes to rule again since link dissappeared (actually went back in time to the past) as windwaker points out at the begining of the game, which makes wind waker a sequel to OOT adult timeline.

Then their is kid links timeline from the very end of the game where link returns to the past before he even meets zelda and he seals the sacred realm for good so gannon never gets a hold of the triforce and never takes over. MM is a sequel to kid links ending.

I remember nintendo even confirmed this in a nintendo power or something but their is really no need to go and look up the source because its all pretty clean and cut!

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#20 JuarN18
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Forget about the sequels, link needs an instrument!
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#21 wiifan001
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May I have a link to where it states Link's Awakening being a direct sequel to something? Cuz as far as I know, Zelda 2 was direct sequel to LoZ.
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#22 kenakuma
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Also, the SNES zelda is in a way a SEQUEL to the n64 oot.

Remember the story at the begining of SNES zelda when you don't push start at the title screen. Anywyas they tell the story about how long ago the 7 sages sealed gannon away in the sacred releam. What happens at the end of oot? Gannon gets sealed in the sacred releam by the sages!

So in a way adult links timeline has 2 sequels, wtf?!?!?!

Let that blow your mind!

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#23 kenakuma
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May I have a link to where it states Link's Awakening being a direct sequel to something? Cuz as far as I know, Zelda 2 was direct sequel to LoZ.wiifan001

It was a sequel to one of the games because link mentions zeldas name at the begining.

My guess would be ALTTP since the artwork for link is the same for both those games.

Then is would kinda follow in line with oot and mm.

Link saves the world and then travels to a strange land.

(here is a big zelda fansite where they talk about timeline theories and what the developers have stated so far about timelines)

http://www.zeldauniverse.net/timeline-theory/2/#toc-example-1-built-relying-on-the-developers

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[QUOTE="wiifan001"]May I have a link to where it states Link's Awakening being a direct sequel to something? Cuz as far as I know, Zelda 2 was direct sequel to LoZ.kenakuma

It was a sequel to one of the games because link mentions zeldas name at the begining.

My guess would be ALTTP since the artwork for link is the same for both those games.

Then is would kinda follow in line with oot and mm.

Link saves the world and then travels to a strange land.

SPOILERS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbAqw-iIC3g Ok i found it. So if this is the way it goes, then Ocarina of Time on the adult side should have Windwaker, for having been 100 years after Ocarina of Time's events, PH was direct sequel, and A Link to the Past somewhere on there. Now, for Link's Awakening, it would make sense for this one to be a sequel to Majora's Mask. Link saves Termina, heads out on boat to look for Zelda, gets shipwrecked on that island that is but a dream, and then goes back to seek Zelda who learns that Ganon captured her. It would make sense because then the Zelda on NES would take place and the Triforce was never retrieved by Link on the child side of Ocarina of Time so he does go and collect the 8 pieces of the Triforce. Sequel: Zelda 2 obviously comes next. Also, Link collects the Triforce of Courage in WW, a title that takes place on the adult side of Ocarina of Time. Finally, Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages start out with the Triforce at a reset positon. Yes, I believe it all fits.
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SPOILERS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbAqw-iIC3g Ok i found it. So if this is the way it goes, then Ocarina of Time on the adult side should have Windwaker, for having been 100 years after Ocarina of Time's events, PH was direct sequel, and A Link to the Past somewhere on there. Now, for Link's Awakening, it would make sense for this one to be a sequel to Majora's Mask. Link saves Termina, heads out on boat to look for Zelda, gets shipwrecked on that island that is but a dream, and then goes back to seek Zelda who learns that Ganon captured her. It would make sense because then the Zelda on NES would take place and the Triforce was never retrieved by Link on the child side of Ocarina of Time so he does go and collect the 8 pieces of the Triforce. Sequel: Zelda 2 obviously comes next. Also, Link collects the Triforce of Courage in WW, a title that takes place on the adult side of Ocarina of Time. Finally, Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages start out with the Triforce at a reset positon. Yes, I believe it all fits.wiifan001

http://www.zeldauniverse.net/timeline-theory/

This is another great source for timeline disscussion by fans and the actual game developers.

It also seems that TLP is the sequeal to kid links ending in OOT. At the end of the game he heads back in time and meets zelda before gannon tricks them into obtaining the triforce for himself. Surley he and zelda take a different road this time knowing the future and this time they defeat him before he can make any real move. This is why we see ganon being executed in TLP's retelling of the past. Also TLP's land was never flooded and never mentions the flood or the hero of time since ganon never took control.

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#26 123625
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I would personally love a sequal to TP,I've even imagined such a game on many occassions.
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There's something that has always bothered me about Twilight Princess. Nontendo said it takes place in between Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker, but that doen't make any sence. Windwaker keeps talking about the Hero of TIME as being the last hero before an age of darkness in which no hero emerged so the godesses flooded hyrule to get rid of the evil. that's were Wind Waker link comes in. there is no room for Twilight Princess to fit in that story.

In my books. Wind Waker is the finale of the entire series. It recognises that every link before it was doing the wrong thing by dwelling on Hyrule rather than perminantly sealing it away and moving forward (hence the theme of wind). I completely discount Phantom Hourglass because it might have been a dream and it was a disapointing Zelda game (Temple of the ocean king is the worst idea that actually made it into a Zelda. The sailing was made far worse than Wind waker's as well. I dreaded having to traverse those waters. Otherwise everything to do with the touch screen was genius)

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#28 kenakuma
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Also, fyi, their was a direct sequeal to SNES's ALTTP, but only in Japan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS_Zelda_no_Densetsu_Kodai_no_Sekiban

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There's something that has always bothered me about Twilight Princess. Nontendo said it takes place in between Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker, but that doen't make any sence. Windwaker keeps talking about the Hero of TIME as being the last hero before an age of darkness in which no hero emerged so the godesses flooded hyrule to get rid of the evil. that's were Wind Waker link comes in. there is no room for Twilight Princess to fit in that story.

In my books. Wind Waker is the finale of the entire series. It recognises that every link before it was doing the wrong thing by dwelling on Hyrule rather than perminantly sealing it away and moving forward (hence the theme of wind). I completely discount Phantom Hourglass because it might have been a dream and it was a disapointing Zelda game (Temple of the ocean king is the worst idea that actually made it into a Zelda. The sailing was made far worse than Wind waker's as well. I dreaded having to traverse those waters. Otherwise everything to do with the touch screen was genius)

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PH was not a dream. Remember at the end, link saw lineback sailing away? Also, I think it was a great game considering the limitations of the DS. Anyways, there's bound to be a sequel to PH as the plot is still unresolved since they're still at sea looking for A new land.
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#30 haziqonfire
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A follow up to TP = no buy from me. What they need to do is make a trilogy, like they did with the Metroid Prime games, but with more story than MP1 and MP2 offered.
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Get informed, TP is in the same timeline as Majora's Mask, that is, in Ocarina of Time present timeline (while WW and PH are in the future timeline).Wintry_Flutist
No one even knows what's canon for Zelda or not. Last I heard, Twilight Princess was set a decade after OoT (may have heard wrong). And I think Majora's Mask was a year I think. (See, even I don't know with all the "I thinks" I'm saying) To conclude the quote, no one knows on Zelda's timeline. They're like anime fillers as far as I'm concerned.

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#32 birthofastar
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The TP was great I wouldn't mind playing a sequel to it, with a cameo from Midna. She should become a new character in the lineage, there hasn't been a character as flavorable as her in a while in the Zelda series.
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it would be nice if the next installment was so awesome, and had nothing to do with the timeline that it would make people forget about it. Honestly, who cares. I'm a die hard fan, but I'd rather have an extreme knowledge of the game's characters or whatever then to know where and when they take place.

It will never be solved, so drop it.

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No one even knows what's canon for Zelda or not. Last I heard, Twilight Princess was set a decade after OoT (may have heard wrong). And I think Majora's Mask was a year I think. (See, even I don't know with all the "I thinks" I'm saying) To conclude the quote, no one knows on Zelda's timeline. They're like anime fillers as far as I'm concerned.

nintendoboy16

Last you heard was early TP info. A lot changed as it was developped.

And MM was set two months after OoT. :|

There's something that has always bothered me about Twilight Princess. Nontendo said it takes place in between Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker, but that doen't make any sence.Pikminmaniac

Indeed, because Nintendo never said that.

No surprise everyone is so confused about the Zelda timeline, no one seems to be aware of what Nintendo confirmed themselves, no matter how many threads are made about it.

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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]No one even knows what's canon for Zelda or not. Last I heard, Twilight Princess was set a decade after OoT (may have heard wrong). And I think Majora's Mask was a year I think. (See, even I don't know with all the "I thinks" I'm saying) To conclude the quote, no one knows on Zelda's timeline. They're like anime fillers as far as I'm concerned.

Wintry_Flutist

Last you heard was early TP info. A lot changed as it was developped.

And MM was set two months after OoT. :|

There's something that has always bothered me about Twilight Princess. Nontendo said it takes place in between Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker, but that doen't make any sence.Pikminmaniac

Indeed, because Nintendo never said that.

No surprise everyone is so confused about the Zelda timeline, no one seems to be aware of what Nintendo confirmed themselves, no matter how many threads are made about it.

God....Reggie is so UGLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sorry man, but I honestly think he looks like a white gorilla minus the hair
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[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

Last you heard was early TP info. A lot changed as it was developped.

And MM was set two months after OoT. :|

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]There's something that has always bothered me about Twilight Princess. Nontendo said it takes place in between Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker, but that doen't make any sence.danger_ranger95

Indeed, because Nintendo never said that.

No surprise everyone is so confused about the Zelda timeline, no one seems to be aware of what Nintendo confirmed themselves, no matter how many threads are made about it.

God....Reggie is so UGLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sorry man, but I honestly think he looks like a white gorilla minus the hair

i think donkey kong was modeled after him, i think i have a picture in my photobucket...

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#37 kenakuma
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]No one even knows what's canon for Zelda or not. Last I heard, Twilight Princess was set a decade after OoT (may have heard wrong). And I think Majora's Mask was a year I think. (See, even I don't know with all the "I thinks" I'm saying) To conclude the quote, no one knows on Zelda's timeline. They're like anime fillers as far as I'm concerned.

Wintry_Flutist

Last you heard was early TP info. A lot changed as it was developped.

And MM was set two months after OoT. :|

There's something that has always bothered me about Twilight Princess. Nontendo said it takes place in between Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker, but that doen't make any sence.Pikminmaniac

Indeed, because Nintendo never said that.

No surprise everyone is so confused about the Zelda timeline, no one seems to be aware of what Nintendo confirmed themselves, no matter how many threads are made about it.

Heres a timeline based around what the developers have confirmed.

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[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]No one even knows what's canon for Zelda or not. Last I heard, Twilight Princess was set a decade after OoT (may have heard wrong). And I think Majora's Mask was a year I think. (See, even I don't know with all the "I thinks" I'm saying) To conclude the quote, no one knows on Zelda's timeline. They're like anime fillers as far as I'm concerned.

Last you heard was early TP info. A lot changed as it was developped.

And MM was set two months after OoT. :|

What? You just said Twilight Princess and Majora's mask have the same timeline. Don't go confusing me here. And my "no one knows the full timeline" answer stays the same.
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#39 Wintry_Flutist
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What? You just said Twilight Princess and Majora's mask have the same timeline. Don't go confusing me here. And my "no one knows the full timeline" answer stays the same.nintendoboy16
There's no "full" timeline since Ocarina of Time was a restart for the series, and other games aren't made with chronology in mind. What there is, is a full explanation on how OoT, MM, WW (and therefore PH too) and TP are linked.
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#40 Thiago26792
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Twilight Princess is by many the worst installment of the series.

There is no need to continue down that road

Jaysonguy
That was actually Zelda II.
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#41 kenakuma
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[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Twilight Princess is by many the worst installment of the series.

There is no need to continue down that road

Thiago26792

That was actually Zelda II.

agreed

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#42 wiifan001
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[QUOTE="kenakuma"][QUOTE="Thiago26792"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Twilight Princess is by many the worst installment of the series.

There is no need to continue down that road

That was actually Zelda II.

agreed

yep.
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#43 garrett_duffman
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[QUOTE="kenakuma"][QUOTE="Thiago26792"] That was actually Zelda II.wiifan001

agreed

yep.

i concur.
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#44 yeahyeahbigN
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i just want another zelda game soon. haha.
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#45 wooooode
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I did not like the wolf aspect or the Twilight part of the game so to me that would not be wise. They are going to change alot so it can not be a true sequel.
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#46 psyball
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I dont like the idea of direct sequels in zelda games, its totally not about the story, its about the genious game design. Somthing completly fresh everytime.
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#47 Lord_Omikron666
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Ganondorf needs to break out of his stone prison underwater and pull the Master Sword out.
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#48 wiifan001
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Another thing, it's topics like these that lead to: with the new Zelda title I want this to happen, and this as well, and this and this (examples are graphics style, storyline, dungeon formua, main villain, etc.) that lead people to get an end result with a lot of "I'm disappointed." topics when we get info on the new Zelda. Guys, not really a good idea to set yourselves up like that (imo)
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#49 Legna_san
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I dont like the idea of direct sequels in zelda games, its totally not about the story, its about the genious game design. Somthing completly fresh everytime.psyball

Ha, yeah, when it comes to Zelda, Nintendo fails..., or should I say, are too scared to take any risks to reinvent the series a little. You know, just incase the fans cry foul over the changes to their beloved same old, same old series. The 3D versions (and 2D versions, when it comes to the >), story (but then again, the story in most Zelda game leaves a lot to be desired) and gameplay have remained almost the same since OoT, with Wind Waker probably being the best overall, while Twillight Princess, developed for OoT fans who moaned about Nintendo visual choice for Wind Waker and overall game length (I'm aware that two dungeons were cut), is a complete uninspired mess.

On topic, I'd rather have a new story, because if they make a direct sequel, then the game might be too similar to the original, after all, being a direct sequel, they can't change much, otherwise it will feel too different from the original (then fans will start to moan, saying it's not better than.. blah blah).

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#50 Arc2012
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It also seems that TLP is the sequeal to kid links ending in OOT. At the end of the game he heads back in time and meets zelda before gannon tricks them into obtaining the triforce for himself. Surley he and zelda take a different road this time knowing the future and this time they defeat him before he can make any real move. This is why we see ganon being executed in TLP's retelling of the past. Also TLP's land was never flooded and never mentions the flood or the hero of time since ganon never took control.

kenakuma

First, I love the timeline debate.

Second, Wrong. I'm well aware of what developer X has said about the timeline so lets not bring that up and just look at the story itself: If TP was a sequel to kid link at the end of OoT, then why does Ganondorf (and Link) have the triforce? This shouldn't have happened if what you said is true. TP is not, cannot be, a sequel.

To the TC:

Third, the next zelda game should be a direct sequel to the worst of the 3d zeldas? I'd pass (who are we kidding, no I wouldn't).

Fourth, Ganondorf doesn't need to be changed out, he just needs to be given some more depth. Not just mindless evil. I really like the Ganondorf of WW. I wish that he would come back.