The Nightmare Has Come To The Wii, Just As I Foretold

Brothers and sisters, it has happened. While we have tried to push forwards an evil presence has been holding us back, much as we tried to escape it's grasp it was all for naught.

Now we are held firmly in the evil's hands, it's grip slowing crushing the last hope of going forward.

That evil goes by many names, we'll just call it by it's most common....

REMAKES!

Now I would like to say that I warned users about this, just look here...

JASON'S WARNING TO ALL

Soon after the new year I made that thread, February 6th to be exact

I said that we were sliding down a slippery slope. That remakes would damage the Wii and it's users. Some agreed with me and some said it would never happen on a grand scale. It even made Jordan's blog (thought part of that was so I could answer his question that I missed previously:P )

Since I warned users we've seen the number of remakes explode with every company cashing in on the Wii. It was a despicable practice but there was one company that always gave us new software. Was always trying to give it's users new and unique experiences.

And then it happened.

The last hope we had became infected with this greed.

Nintendo came out and said publicly that it was releasing it's old games again because it felt it did not make enough money the first time around with the Gamecube.

Nintendo then announced that while it was releasing 2 new games, 7 remakes would be joining the ranks. Nintendo would rather try to make back money it lost last gen rather then give new games to it's users.

With a ratio greater then 3 to 1 I fear even more for the Wii. A wonderful console that has been infected with greed and used not to create enjoyable experiences but to make up for past mistakes.

Will we ever been free of these shackles or will we have to relive 2001 for the rest of this generation?

Personally I don't see what the problem is. This is good news for me because it means I'll actually be able to pick up copies of Pikmin and Pikmin 2, which I was never able to do on the Gamecube. When the Gamecube came out I was still in school and didn't have a job, I didn't have money like I do now because I work. I had to miss out on quite a few titles just from having a lack of funds. I've searched countless times for Pikmin and Pikmin 2 at every store where I live. Gamecube games aren't in production anymore, so the only chance I have of finding a copy of either of those games is to find them used, and I still haven't been able to find any.

I can understand why you think Remakes are a bad idea Jaysonguy, but for some people it's not.

... If remakes are your nightmare, I suggest you see a psychologist.

I on the other hand could care less about the remake situation. There arent THAT many, plus, their remakes of great games....

I don't understand why you are obsessed with remakes/ports.:|

Yeah, we'll have Remakes, but at the same time we'll also have new games. Relax man...

Besides, those Remakes aren't aimed at the ones who originally played them, they're aimed at people who have never played them. I've never played Pikmin 1 & 2, so I might purchase it. I won't get Metroid 1 & 2 as I already have them.

Besides, gamecube games are hard to find these days, and some people can't buy online (like me). So anyone desperate enough would buy the Wii Versions.

Personally I don't see what the problem is. This is good news for me because it means I'll actually be able to pick up copies of Pikmin and Pikmin 2, which I was never able to do on the Gamecube. When the Gamecube came out I was still in school and didn't have a job, I didn't have money like I do now because I work. I had to miss out on quite a few titles just from having a lack of funds. I've searched countless times for Pikmin and Pikmin 2 at every store where I live. Gamecube games aren't in production anymore, so the only chance I have of finding a copy of either of those games is to find them used, and I still haven't been able to find any.

I can understand why you think Remakes are a bad idea Jaysonguy, but for some people it's not.

J_Ford

My point exactly.:|

I don't understand why you are obsessed with remakes/ports.:|

Yeah, we'll have Remakes, but at the same time we'll also have new games. Relax man...

Besides, those Remakes aren't aimed at the ones who originally played them, they're aimed at people who have never played them. I've never played Pikmin 1 & 2, so I might purchase it. I won't get Metroid 1 & 2 as I already have them.

Besides, gamecube games are hard to find these days, and some people can't buy online (like me). So anyone desperate enough would buy the Wii Versions.

lancea34

Well, I'm getting Prime 1 and 2 rereleased with Wii controls, so I'm notreally upset over the whole ordeal.

I would rather see remakes of good games than more tripe like Alien Syndrome or Shattered Blade.

I blame third party laziness for the success of remakes. If third party support was excellent from the beginning, then people wouldn't have accepted remakes so readily to fill in the gaps between the AAA games.

What I do like, is almost every agrees with him in that previous thread.

And now, everyone thinks remakes are okay.

I personally have always thought SOME remakes are okay, but I wonder what made everyone change their opinion.

Problem 1: (with many of the rebuttals anyway) Unlike the other companies, Nintendo owns the machines that can make more Gamecube games. If they so choose, nobody could stop them from simply reprinting game discs and re-opening the Gamecube line for everyone to buy. This also applies to controllers (which they have done), memory cards, and even Donkey Konga barrels (which are of course forbidden, just ask Paon). This would be the quickest, most cost-beneficial move Nintendo could do. The problem is that they simply ignore this likely because Iwata feels that by going that route people will somehow be more privy to their actions than simply erasing the name Gamecube forever.

Problem 2: When the only threat Nintendo users have is going multi-plat, there is no incentive to keep them around. We spent our money for new Nintendo experiences, however our money is the same as any newcomer oblivious to what Nintendo has done between 1990 and 2006. Nintendo Power did an excellent job portraying the entire strategy in Nester's Final Comic, where he in fact did grow up and start his own family on the Nintendo experience. Don't complain, support. Just don't support Nintendo directly.

What I do like, is almost every agrees with him in that previous thread.

And now, everyone thinks remakes are okay.

I personally have always thought SOME remakes are okay, but I wonder what made everyone change their opinion.

AlexSays

I never had a problem with remakes as long as they add something new or it's an old game worth remaking. We don't need the remakes/ports of GC games considering that the system is barely 7 years old. That's my biggest problem with the whole GC port/remake idea concept. It's still too early to forget those games the GC had and don't need to resurrect them so fast.

imo, jaysonguy failed in mastering Okami's controls (thus, calling it shovelware)...so he's annoyed at all other remakes.

What i really dont understand about Nintendos thought process, is why they don't just hire more devs and make new games and remake old ones. I know it is really tough to comprehend, having one team of peeps working on new games, and hiring someone else to port(and if Prime 1/2 get put on the wii, it is called porting) other games to the console. Why don't we see a new Pikmini game, not ports of the old ones. It isnt like they remaking OOT with next gen graphics. Prime isnt going to look that much better, they just doing it cause prime 3 has awesome contolrs, and why not give the others the good contols???

There is no reason not to, im not upset that they doing this, i'm upset cause we going to have to wait another 5 years b4 we see a new Mario game, or Zelda, who knows???

imo, jaysonguy failed in mastering Okami's controls (thus, calling it shovelware)...so he's annoyed at all other remakes.

nomadph

Might want to play the game

Straight from Gamespot's review...

"Rather, you need to time subsequent attacks, or your thrusts won't respond as you'd expect. This is one area where the PlayStation 2 version has the upper hand. Certain weapons simply aren't suited to be your primary attack in the Wii version, since the timing of your slicing and dicing is tough to get a handle on. Another area that needs improvement is dodging. On the Wii, you yank the Nunchuk in the direction you want to tumble. The problem is that Ammy may or may not dodge in that direction."

So yeah, I'm right

What i really dont understand about Nintendos thought process, is why they don't just hire more devs and make new games and remake old ones. I know it is really tough to comprehend, having one team of peeps working on new games, and hiring someone else to port(and if Prime 1/2 get put on the wii, it is called porting) other games to the console. Why don't we see a new Pikmini game, not ports of the old ones. It isnt like they remaking OOT with next gen graphics. Prime isnt going to look that much better, they just doing it cause prime 3 has awesome contolrs, and why not give the others the good contols???

There is no reason not to, im not upset that they doing this, i'm upset cause we going to have to wait another 5 years b4 we see a new Mario game, or Zelda, who knows???

da_chub

we are getting a new pikmin as well as the old ones. and whilst nintendo could simply hire new people they prfer to outsource. as far as im aware they are getting skip (captain rainbow maker) to remake the games. zelda team still working on zelda, galaxy still making their new game. i think this is part of nintendos stratergy to 'hardcoreify' the casuals

[QUOTE="nomadph"]

imo, jaysonguy failed in mastering Okami's controls (thus, calling it shovelware)...so he's annoyed at all other remakes.

Jaysonguy

Might want to play the game

Straight from Gamespot's review...

"Rather, you need to time subsequent attacks, or your thrusts won't respond as you'd expect. This is one area where the PlayStation 2 version has the upper hand. Certain weapons simply aren't suited to be your primary attack in the Wii version, since the timing of your slicing and dicing is tough to get a handle on. Another area that needs improvement is dodging. On the Wii, you yank the Nunchuk in the direction you want to tumble. The problem is that Ammy may or may not dodge in that direction."

So yeah, I'm right

wait your opinion is the right one?

also one little design flaw makes the game horrible, i had no problem with it

I'd rather have a remake (as in full remake, like REmake for the GC) of Resident Evil 2 than play the generic POS Resident Evil has become with re4 and re5. We already have a plethora of action shooters, why did they have to kill resident evil to make it into another?

Jaysonguy I agree that that Nintendo needs to look ahead for future releases and not rerelease titles from last gen because it solely bides time for Nintendo and that they cheating its reliable customers to a certain degree......

......but I think you're overreacting at the same time.

My argument in the thread from February was that we hadn't seen any real evidence of an onslaught of remakes hitting the Wii. It was true back then. Not true now.

My main point was that Nintendo would only listen to its fans about remakes if it was a wise decision to do so. "Wise" for a company means many things, but primarily making money. And although I'd MUCH rather see new games than remakes, it does fit into Nintendo's philosophy here:

The Wii is mainly about two things - 1) new control methods to attract new gamers and 2) making old software available for those new gamers to try and old gamers to remember. Remakes fit into both categories. So it makes sense, and they're going to make money from it.

That doesn't mean I like it. Luckily, none of these remakes seem to be taking the place of a new game in the franchise, which is my biggest concern. I don't know the full list of remakes, granted, but the Pikmin remakes aren't replacing Pikmin 3 (as far as we know), and the Rogue Squadron remakes, in all honesty, already have all the features and levels that you need for that type of game as a collection. And I guarantee that those games will still be fun.

So I can see both positive arguments in this case, but the implications at this point are a little scary. The main thing here is that developers might focus too much of their attention on remakes rather than new games. That hasn't been absolutely proven yet, but there is pretty strong evidence for it.

hes a solution! dont buy them! :olegend26

Remakes don't mean software houses will stop making new games. Actually since the announcement of remakes, there has been also a surge of new games announcements. Cosmic Walker, Dynamic Slash, Let's Tap, No More Heroes 2, Sin & Punishment 2, Another Code, FFCC: Echoes of Time. Also more info on Muramasa, Little King's Story, Arc Rise Fantasia, Monster Hunter 3.

The future of the Wii looks more promising now.

The main thing here is that developers might focus too much of their attention on remakes rather than new games. That hasn't been absolutely proven yet, but there is pretty strong evidence for it.

JordanElek

You don't think that ship has sailed?

I mean Nintendo gave up this month. What else is left if the company behind the hardware says "You want generic, you want old? We can do that"

7 old games and 2 new games, that's what Nintendo is offering right now.

Rouge Squadron remakes? Weren't they the same people that said the Wii had unlimited potential in the right hands? Either they bailed on that idea or they decided that it did have potential, to line their pockets with cash while giving a dumbed down experience to users.

The idea that we need to revisit the past is a little insulting, ok it's a lot insulting. Nintendo is the home for easy pick up and play games. Mario and Zelda are simple games that anyone can pick up. Newer games like Smooth Moves and Smash Bros are simple. Nintendo's idea that we need to go backward to get some more titles people have missed makes no sense except cheating customers out of money.

I understand Capcom using the Wii for an ATM because they have other platforms that need money. Make money on the Wii then take those funds and spend it on other platforms. That's fine.

The hardware maker has decided that it's just going to keep on regurgitating the same games over and over and over now.

Also remember that for every remake (at least in Nintendo's case) we lose a new game. Nintendo does not do anything half way. They have a history of putting their top devs on remakes. I strongly doubt they'll deviate from the past 20 odd years.

Yes, we have a new Pikmin "sometime" and then we have a remake. We could have that new Pikmin sooner or we could have a new game PLUS Pikmin but Wii owners do not want that.

They want old games, that's what Nintendo sees and that's what they're giving it's users.

Also remember that for every remake (at least in Nintendo's case) we lose a new game.

Jaysonguy

I'm not sure why you keep spreading that unsubstantiated rumor of yours.

We're still getting new games. In fact, we have several already announced.

Is anyone really expecting Nintendo announce even MORE games anytime soon?

Also remember that for every remake (at least in Nintendo's case) we lose a new game. Nintendo does not do anything half way. They have a history of putting their top devs on remakes. I strongly doubt they'll deviate from the past 20 odd years.Jaysonguy

You're delusional, it takes them really little effort to slap the Wii controls in the GC gameswithout changing anything else (which seems what they're doing). They won't need their top developers.

hes a solution! dont buy them! :olegend26

Would you mind telling me how this is relevant to the discussion?Because nobody has been complaining that we're forced to buy them; we have a problem with the principal and practicality of the situation.

So? I like these games comming out.

Here's a thought, get over it already or just don't buy the games.

Also remember that for every remake (at least in Nintendo's case) we lose a new game.

Jaysonguy

That is by far the most ignorant and incorrect thing you've said so far.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Also remember that for every remake (at least in Nintendo's case) we lose a new game.

AlexSays

I'm not sure why you keep spreading that unsubstantiated rumor of yours.

We're still getting new games. In fact, we have several already announced.

Is anyone really expecting Nintendo announce even MORE games anytime soon?

Fact: Nintendo uses it's top tier guys for remakes. Always have on every single other endeavor when it came to remakes.

Fact: Nintendo has 2 new games and 7 old games dated right now. Again, greater then 3 to 1 old games to new.

[QUOTE="AlexSays"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Also remember that for every remake (at least in Nintendo's case) we lose a new game.

Jaysonguy

I'm not sure why you keep spreading that unsubstantiated rumor of yours.

We're still getting new games. In fact, we have several already announced.

Is anyone really expecting Nintendo announce even MORE games anytime soon?

Fact: Nintendo uses it's top tier guys for remakes. Always have on every single other endeavor when it came to remakes.

Fact: Nintendo has 2 new games and 7 old games dated right now. Again, greater then 3 to 1 old games to new.

But you gotta ask, if they didn't do these remakes, would the amount of new games on the way be any different?

Let's be honest, here... it wouldn't.

I've got no problem with enhancing the controls of some old GC games. Seven?? Seven is a bit much, but both Pikmin and both Metroid Prime games wil be nice to have with Wiimote control.

As I see it, this is no different than releasing the NES collection on the GameBoy Advance, making money off old games.

Fact: Nintendo uses it's top tier guys for remakes. Always have on every single other endeavor when it came to remakes.

Jaysonguy

Prove it.

Was your blog not enough?

I understand that Nintendo uses its top devs for these remakes, but to say we could've had a new game for every remake is bologna. You're saying Nintendo will spend as much time remaking Pikmin as they did making Super Mario Galaxy?

HA! I don't think ive ever agreed with you, jasonguy.

if you think remakes are a bad thing, then...behold!

the greatest remake of all time!

(for you old people its a screen shot for Master Quest)

This thread certainly has no end of drama in it. :P

Well, if this is the end of the world, at least I'll die while enjoying the video games I have.

[QUOTE="nomadph"]

imo, jaysonguy failed in mastering Okami's controls (thus, calling it shovelware)...so he's annoyed at all other remakes.

Jaysonguy

Might want to play the game

Straight from Gamespot's review...

"Rather, you need to time subsequent attacks, or your thrusts won't respond as you'd expect. This is one area where the PlayStation 2 version has the upper hand. Certain weapons simply aren't suited to be your primary attack in the Wii version, since the timing of your slicing and dicing is tough to get a handle on. Another area that needs improvement is dodging. On the Wii, you yank the Nunchuk in the direction you want to tumble. The problem is that Ammy may or may not dodge in that direction."

So yeah, I'm right

Just thought I'd point this out. It means every other part of the Wii version was superior to the PS2 version. And yet it's shovelware? I don't see you're logic.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="nomadph"]

imo, jaysonguy failed in mastering Okami's controls (thus, calling it shovelware)...so he's annoyed at all other remakes.

19061980

Might want to play the game

Straight from Gamespot's review...

"Rather, you need to time subsequent attacks, or your thrusts won't respond as you'd expect. This is one area where the PlayStation 2 version has the upper hand. Certain weapons simply aren't suited to be your primary attack in the Wii version, since the timing of your slicing and dicing is tough to get a handle on. Another area that needs improvement is dodging. On the Wii, you yank the Nunchuk in the direction you want to tumble. The problem is that Ammy may or may not dodge in that direction."

So yeah, I'm right

Just thought I'd point this out. It means every other part of the Wii version was superior to the PS2 version. And yet it's shovelware? I don't see you're logic.

Ooo Burn!

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Fact: Nintendo uses it's top tier guys for remakes. Always have on every single other endeavor when it came to remakes.

goblaa

Prove it.

I'm also interested in the evidence here.

[QUOTE="XDXDXDXDXDXDXD"][QUOTE="19061980"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="nomadph"]

imo, jaysonguy failed in mastering Okami's controls (thus, calling it shovelware)...so he's annoyed at all other remakes.

Cesar_Barba

Might want to play the game

Straight from Gamespot's review...

"Rather, you need to time subsequent attacks, or your thrusts won't respond as you'd expect. This is one area where the PlayStation 2 version has the upper hand. Certain weapons simply aren't suited to be your primary attack in the Wii version, since the timing of your slicing and dicing is tough to get a handle on. Another area that needs improvement is dodging. On the Wii, you yank the Nunchuk in the direction you want to tumble. The problem is that Ammy may or may not dodge in that direction."

So yeah, I'm right

Just thought I'd point this out. It means every other part of the Wii version was superior to the PS2 version. And yet it's shovelware? I don't see you're logic.

Ooo Burn!

Not really.

It doesn't say "the one", just "one". If it said "the one" it would mean "the only one", but if it just says "one", it could mean "one of".

Also, "It means every other part of the Wii version was superior to the PS2 version"? No, just equal.

But anyway, to get on topic here, Jay, it's not like they're using an entire dev team on these games. It is much more likely that, in each development studio, they've got 4 or 5 people working on the remakes, while the other 50+ devs work on a new game. Pretty good ratio there.

It doesn't take much time to port games. Capcom did a rush job with Okami, and it came out in far less than a year. Also, they weren't the original dev team working on the game, so they weren't familiar with the code. Nintendo will be putting the same guys on these remakes that made the originals. I say they'll be able to pump out a game in a few short months. And this is just a couple guys, not an entire team.

Maybe, just maybe, you're overreacting. Not to say that ports are a good thing, but more people will enjoy it than be upset by it, even though they know that Nintendo is "cheating customers out of money".

I'll still pick up a couple of those games. I'm sure some of them will turn out better than the originals (FLUDD will finally no longer be a burden if they use the IR to aim), and I haven't played any of the Rogue Squadron games, so that box set will be worth it.

There will be plenty of new games coming out from Nintendo in 2009. Just remember, Nintendo doesn't like to announce games too far ahead of schedule anymore, but even still, for early '09 we have 3 announced games; Wii Sports Resort, Punch Out!!, and S&P2. Also, they're more than likely to come out with the sequel to Endless Ocean in NA, and a few of those new IPs will probably come overseas as well (hopefully Cosmic Walker). I think you're overreacting.

My only concern is that other companies are going to look at this and think it's acceptable. Capcom's already doing it, as are Ubisoft and Rockstar, but I can see this getting a lot worse...

[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Fact: Nintendo uses it's top tier guys for remakes. Always have on every single other endeavor when it came to remakes.

JordanElek

Prove it.

I'm also interested in the evidence here.

I can do even better, I'll show 2 examples. Both will feature Zelda

1. Link to the Past on the GBA. Completely redone PLUS fixed the glitch in the ice level. The entire game had the same sort of polish as the other games coming out at the time.

2. Twilight Princess on the Wii. Twilight Princess could have launched holiday 2005. Instead they held it over for the Wii, in the time it was being modified did the group in charge of the title go onto new games? No they did not.

They spent most of the year making the Wii's version

Not really.

It doesn't say "the one", just "one". If it said "the one" it would mean "the only one", but if it just says "one", it could mean "one of".

Also, "It means every other part of the Wii version was superior to the PS2 version"? No, just equal.

bob_newman

Damn, I thought I had finally dealt the killing blow to Jasonguy's "Okami is shovelware" theory.

[QUOTE="nomadph"]

imo, jaysonguy failed in mastering Okami's controls (thus, calling it shovelware)...so he's annoyed at all other remakes.

bob_newman

It doesn't say "the one", just "one". If it said "the one" it would mean "the only one", but if it just says "one", it could mean "one of".

Also, "It means every other part of the Wii version was superior to the PS2 version"? No, just equal.