The Wii has a SERIOUS lack of games with considerable depth.

I am a Wii supporter. I will continue to game on this system until the end of the generation, but I must point out this BIG fault.

The Wii is just outright devoid of games with serious depth. I would consider a game with serious depth to have the following things:

• Its primary goals can be acheived in a variety of ways and with a variety of different tools.
• The strategies required to complete the objective require SOME planning and fore thought to succesfully pull off, and not solely skill (looking at you Mario).
• For it to be feasibly possible to compare and objectively determine the best strategies/tools.

Outside of Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, Brawl, Fire Emblem, and maybe Excitebots (It fits the criteria, but never managed to flourish), pretty much allof the Wii's games are VERY simple in design. The problem here is that even Nintendo is kind of lackluster in this department (though they are still doing a terrific job of supporting the Wii in terms of quality software). I like having simple games, but I'd like a better variety of deeper games to sink my teeth into. Anyone also feels this way?

If you want the things on your list, check out Tales of Monkey Island (wiiware).As for the other things, most people are developing Wii games and targeting them at kids. It would be nice if developers would remember that hardcore Nintenvets own wiis too. As for simplicity, most devs only have access to the plain wii disc, which only gives them about 3-4 gigs to work with. Nintendo and other big name companies with large projects get the dual-layered disc, which is more comparable to a 360's disc.

Silent Hill: Shattered Memories, Little King's Story, TvC, Fatal Frame IV, ToS, Rune Factory, Zack&Wiki, Dawn of Discovery, Brawl, Fire Emblem, Super Paper Mario, Broken Sword DC, BWii, Shiren, World of Goo, Swords&Soldiers?

I agree that most Wii games (and most of the actually good ones) are more in the vein of pick-up-and-play than on other systems (and that is a damn good thing), but a SERIOUS (in capital letters) lack of games that require more than raw skill and/or are emotionally/intellectually challenging? I don't see it.

And then, what is "depth"? I consider Wii Sports Resort as a game with considerable depth.

Err so basically the wii has a lack of strategy games? You could be on to something there, but don't tell me it lacks games with depth, when it has plenty.

Err so basically the wii has a lack of strategy games? You could be on to something there, but don't tell me it lacks games with depth, when it has plenty.

oldmanriver1

Simple and deep (by your definition) aren't mutually exclusive. Punch Out is a good example of this. Anyone can pick it up and play the first circuit or so, but you need strategy to get any farther. First you have to figure out the pattern, then figure out how to take advantage of it, then pretty much memorize your strategy and work on your reflexes and timing in order to execute.

I wouldn't call that deep, but it has the strategic elements you're looking for.

It looks to me like you were thinking of NSMB when you wrote your post.... Have you played it with friends? I think it fits your definition of deep when you throw a couple friends in there.

The whole idea about the Wii is creating accessible experiences for new audiences that are also enjoyable by core players. In that aspect the Wii has done very well. Also, since when have Nintendo's software every been anything but simple? The most complex Nintendo titles I can think of are maybe Fire Emblem and Metroid. Zelda and Mario in general are pretty accessible to new audiences and are still enjoyable by the average core player. Even Tatsunoko vs Capcom, was made so it was accessible to new players and is still enjoyable by core players, which is why I think it is such a great game, its not overly complex to learn moves for different players. Haziqonfire

I slightly agree with the TC, besides a couple of third party games and of course Nintendo's own games, most of them have been lacking in real depth. Some games on the Wii have been made much more shallow (for the lack of a better word, I don't really mean it in a bad way) like Metroid Prime 3 and Muramasa compared to the previous games in their franchises.

I appreciate what developers are trying to do on the Wii but I would still like a couple of more game with some more depth in them. TvsC is great but a true Street Fighter wouldn't hurt. All other system in the entire gaming history could handle both I don't see why third party devs don't think the Wii couldn't. I'm not blaming Nintendo at all though, this is all about the lacking third party developer support.

If you want games with depth then pick up some old Cube games, or buy a cube and get some of your money back off the Wii.

Failing that, wait for another variation of "Tennis, or Wii fit" to come out and hope to god it's got guns, swords or even a basic plot to it...

What you're asking for is a game that YOU like. Not a game that is made correctly. Unlike other consoles, the Wii has a variety of games, and not just shooters. That's the beautiful thing. You can play an FPS, a third-person, a strategie, puzzle, adventure, racing, action, and many games mix multiple categories for a fun gaming experience, E-M.

What you're asking for is a game that YOU like. Not a game that is made correctly. Unlike other consoles, the Wii has a variety of games, and not just shooters. That's the beautiful thing. You can play an FPS, a third-person, a strategie, puzzle, adventure, racing, action, and many games mix multiple categories for a fun gaming experience, E-M.

nintenjoe3

Sounds like you should be playing more RPG's and strategy games (preferably on the PC).

Maybe Pikmin 3 will give you what youare looking for?

What you're asking for is a game that YOU like. Not a game that is made correctly. Unlike other consoles, the Wii has a variety of games, and not just shooters. That's the beautiful thing. You can play an FPS, a third-person, a strategie, puzzle, adventure, racing, action, and many games mix multiple categories for a fun gaming experience, E-M.

nintenjoe3

If you want the things on your list, check out Tales of Monkey Island (wiiware).As for the other things, most people are developing Wii games and targeting them at kids. It would be nice if developers would remember that hardcore Nintenvets own wiis too. As for simplicity, most devs only have access to the plain wii disc, which only gives them about 3-4 gigs to work with. Nintendo and other big name companies with large projects get the dual-layered disc, which is more comparable to a 360's disc.

wes008

Space constrains have little to do with a games depth. Not that 360 and Wii have different disc constrains anyway. 360 developers are just more likely to use a dual-layered disc, most likely due to HD visuals.

Simple and deep (by your definition) aren't mutually exclusive. Punch Out is a good example of this. Anyone can pick it up and play the first circuit or so, but you need strategy to get any farther. First you have to figure out the pattern, then figure out how to take advantage of it, then pretty much memorize your strategy and work on your reflexes and timing in order to execute.

I wouldn't call that deep, but it has the strategic elements you're looking for.

It looks to me like you were thinking of NSMB when you wrote your post.... Have you played it with friends? I think it fits your definition of deep when you throw a couple friends in there.

Punch-Out is pretty simple when you think about it. It DOES require pattern recognition and strategy to take advantage of the patterns like you said, but being a puzzle game, there is only one real way to win each battle; you have to work hard to find and exploit it, but there is a definite way to beat each boxer.

Yeah, the Wii ain't really a system for amazingly deep games, but some of the not so deep games can be pretty fun. I ain't talkin' like Wii Fit here, but stuff like de Blob is pretty easy for any nongamer to play yet it's still a pretty satisfying experience even for the more experienced crowd.

I'm not a kid anymore so I don't have the time for games with depth. I also have the money to buy more games so I don't need to rely on two or three games a year to get me by like I used to. When I was a kid I had to squeeze the most out of a game, otherwise my console would go to waste. That's not the case anymore with me so depth isn't a priority.

Nintendo and all other Wii developers treat Wii owners as if they have a lower IQ.

There aren't any games like Mass Effect and KOTOR on the Wii, and that's a fact.

I think the biggest problem with the Wii is that developers are either;

A) Affraid to give us games with depth

or

B) They don't want to

because of;

A) Affraid they won't make their money back

or

B) Because of the graphical limitations

Don't get me wrong, there are good looking games on the Wii, but there aren't many from 3rd parties. I guess that all depends on taste though. I honestly think it's a giant combination of all the above.

zelda twilight princess and metroid trilogy have plent of depth..oh wait they are both gamecube games :P

well other m and zelda wii will deliver.

Play Little King's Story.

I would consider a game with serious depth to have the following things:

• Its primary goals can be acheived in a variety of ways and with a variety of different tools.
• The strategies required to complete the objective require SOME planning and fore thought to succesfully pull off, and not solely skill (looking at you Mario).
• For it to be feasibly possible to compare and objectively determine the best strategies/tools.

rolfboy

Nice opinion, for me "serious depth" has to do with other things.