There needs to be a beta multiplayer for Smash bros. on Wii U

Smash bros on wii is great. But the one thing we all can agree on is the online multiplayer was not. It was and still is laggy. Sure when you play with friends it is mostly ok but anyone else you have to pray to the gaming gods it does not freeze or become hyper laggy. With the wii u hopefully nintendo is at least trying to get its online infrastructure up to the level everyone else is at. If so they may be able to do betas. With a beta for smash, they could know exactly how to maintain and keep games from becoming laggy or unplayable. And this could help smash be one of the premier online and offline games of the next gen. So do you think nintendo should do it, if they can?

No

Nintendo doesn't care about the end user's opinions

They'll have an inside team work on it and that will be that

I can't see any downsides to this.

Hmm, never thought about it, but anygame that's gonna have an online mode needs a beta. To make sure everything works all right, which I'm sure it will.

No

Nintendo doesn't care about the end user's opinions

They'll have an inside team work on it and that will be that

Jaysonguy

The thread's about "should" not "will they".

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No

Nintendo doesn't care about the end user's opinions

They'll have an inside team work on it and that will be that

Demonjoe93

The thread's about "should" not "will they".

Yes, and they should stick with what they normally do

No reason to change things now

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[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

No

Nintendo doesn't care about the end user's opinions

They'll have an inside team work on it and that will be that

Jaysonguy

The thread's about "should" not "will they".

Yes, and they should stick with what they normally do

No reason to change things now

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[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

The thread's about "should" not "will they".

nintendoman562

Yes, and they should stick with what they normally do

No reason to change things now

That has nothing at all to do with this conversation

[QUOTE="nintendoman562"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Yes, and they should stick with what they normally do

No reason to change things now

Jaysonguy

That has nothing at all to do with this conversation

He's using the same argument you used on Demonjoe against you...

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[QUOTE="nintendoman562"] Yeah, no reason why they should have made video games in the first place. They normally made trading cards back in the mid 1900s. There was no reason for them to change things.Jelley0

That has nothing at all to do with this conversation

He's using the same argument you used on Demonjoe against you...

No he's not, I don't see how anyone can think that

Nintendo is a very guarded company, they've always done things discreetly behind closed doors and they're not about to change that

There's no comparison to Nintendo changing what the company produces

There should be, but there probably wont be.

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[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

That has nothing at all to do with this conversation

Jaysonguy

He's using the same argument you used on Demonjoe against you...

No he's not, I don't see how anyone can think that

Nintendo is a very guarded company, they've always done things discreetly behind closed doors and they're not about to change that

There's no comparison to Nintendo changing what the company produces

They do testing. But I have never heard of them doing a beta. Good idea though. It is the modern development process for tweaking big multiplayer phenomenon.

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[QUOTE="Jelley0"]

He's using the same argument you used on Demonjoe against you...

nintendoman562

No he's not, I don't see how anyone can think that

Nintendo is a very guarded company, they've always done things discreetly behind closed doors and they're not about to change that

There's no comparison to Nintendo changing what the company produces

[QUOTE="nintendoman562"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

No he's not, I don't see how anyone can think that

Nintendo is a very guarded company, they've always done things discreetly behind closed doors and they're not about to change that

There's no comparison to Nintendo changing what the company produces

Silos911

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[QUOTE="nintendoman562"] Okay fine. Explain why things shouldn't change?nintendoman562

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[QUOTE="nintendoman562"] Okay fine. Explain why things shouldn't change?nintendoman562

The Uncharted 3 beta I don't mind discussing more because it's easier to see both sides of the argument.TheUncharted 3 beta was a success in some sense because people did report feedback. But when it comes to the mass market, I look at some of my friends as examples who I know don't understand the video game industry as much as people here at Gamespot. My friends played the beta and three of them said they were not going to buy it because they don't want a game with broken multiplayer. I told them they would fix it because it was a beta. But even then they told me that it doesn't matter. If it can't be proven to them first hand that it works, they don't want it.

However, maybe I'm looking at this in the wrong light. Maybe they open up the beta to a select group of people where they know they'll get feedback. For example, in the Uncharted 3 multiplayer beta I reported every glitch I found, or every thing that I thought needed changing. Maybe they search out people like me who somehow promises Nintendo to leave feedback (I know there are more people who would leave feedback, I'm just using myself as an example). Gamespot sometimes does beta key giveaways, maybe to every user who's active on the Wii messageboard here gets a private message giving people a beta code and a request to leave feedback at Nintendo's site. I'm sure most people here on the forum would love to do that.

So to summarize all my above thoughts. A public beta would definitely be a bad idea. But if Nintendo makes it exclusive for a set group of people who all promise to leave feedback. Then it could work.

EDIT: Just saw the post above mine, which the user mentioned closed betas. That does seem like the best solution the more I think about it.

They do testing. But I have never heard of them doing a beta. Good idea though. It is the modern development process for tweaking big multiplayer phenomenon.

thedude-

Unlikely to happen with Smash Brothers considering how secret they like to keep everything with it.TheLordMagnus

No

Nintendo doesn't care about the end user's opinions

They'll have an inside team work on it and that will be that

Jaysonguy

No

Nintendo cares about the end user and will therefore release the product when it is finished

They'll have an inside team work on it and that will be that

[QUOTE="thedude-"]

They do testing. But I have never heard of them doing a beta. Good idea though. It is the modern development process for tweaking big multiplayer phenomenon.

Sepewrath

I would say that many betas are really meant to manipulate people and make them feel chosen and special, therefore becoming loyal fans that can increase advertisment even more.
It's quite low tbh, and I 'm glad that Nintendo is above that sort of thing.

Honestly it really not needed. Besides the Online for Brawl which had mostly a lag problem, when has a Nintendo game been glitchy?

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

No

Nintendo doesn't care about the end user's opinions

They'll have an inside team work on it and that will be that

yellonet

No

Nintendo cares about the end user and will therefore release the product when it is finished

They'll have an inside team work on it and that will be that

Just like they did with the first Smash Bros that was broken online?

Never gonna happen, though it would be nice. User input would make the next Smash Bros. a true competitive game up there with Street Fighter. The reason games like SC2 had such a good multiplayer is because balance is more or less shaped by the players. Again, it'll without a doubt never happen as Nintendo just doesn't work like that as they're completely ignorant of user opinion, but it'd be beneficial nonetheless.

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They do testing. But I have never heard of them doing a beta. Good idea though. It is the modern development process for tweaking big multiplayer phenomenon.

Sepewrath

I know, for example, playing the UC3 beta, there were some bugs and hiccups, that I would expect is ironed out in the final game. But its still just free advertisement and advertisement for X game that you have to preorder to get into the beta for Y game. You know the saying about Halo 3 "Buy the Halo 3 beta, get a free game"

Yes it very well could hurt. Most betas nowadays are not meant for actual bug squashing but more as a way to advertise and build a hype for the product.

I would say that many betas are really meant to manipulate people and make them feel chosen and special, therefore becoming loyal fans that can increase advertisment even more.
It's quite low tbh, and I 'm glad that Nintendo is above that sort of thing.

yellonet

Never gonna happen, though it would be nice. User input would make the next Smash Bros. a true competitive game up there with Street Fighter. The reason games like SC2 had such a good multiplayer is because balance is more or less shaped by the players. Again, it'll without a doubt never happen as Nintendo just doesn't work like that as they're completely ignorant of user opinion, but it'd be beneficial nonetheless.

mkDSpro63