This Chart Shows Wii Gamers Are Diverse

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#1 haziqonfire
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this chart pretty much shows how diverse Wii's audience is.

In terms of amount of time spent playing Wii games - I'm pretty shocked, because I was expecting different results. Its hard to see that Wii Fit isn't up there and that games like COD: WaW are.

I think if developers knew this, they might be more encouraged about making "core" software on the Wii.

What do you guys think? Shocked? Surprised? Expected it?

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#2 Cesar_Barba
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Well, according to the chart I made my self with MS PAINT, (I don't have a link) Wii players are not diverse.:shock: You have to take it into account that there are millions of people who's data is not in that chart.

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#3 Brawl578
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I'm not surprised Brawl's getting played the most, but I am surprised that Animal Crossing is played as much as TP is. I never thought anyone liked that game. I haven't played it yet, though, so that's probably why I'm shocked.

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#4 bob_newman
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It's already pretty much known that people who play "core" games, play more. That's why you're seeing those numbers.

Games like Brawl or CoD are going to be at the top because they offer a lot of replayability (Online focussed, deep gameplay, lots of content, etc).

Meanwhile, a game like Wii Fit isn't going to get as much play time because you're not going to be playing it for hours on-end. It's designed for short-lived experiences.

Anyway, this chart is interesting enough. You have a link to the article as well?

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#5 ActicEdge
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I can say that that chart shows some interesting things. I don't find it ridiculous or anything but this chart tells me the wii needs an exclusive star wars game wii motion plus style, it would sell and actually be played.

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#6 clicketyclick
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this chart pretty much shows how diverse Wii's audience is.Haziqonfire
No it doesn't. It shows how diverse the library is, if anything. It does not reflect the number of wii owners playing the game. There could be, for example, only three people playing Tales of Symphonia and it could still make it into the charts, based on the average length of time they played. Hell, if 20 people went out and bought Ninjabread Man and left their Wiis running for a couple days, Ninjabread Man would top SSBB.
Meanwhile, a game like Wii Fit isn't going to get as much play time because you're not going to be playing it for hours on-end. It's designed for short-lived experiences.bob_newman
But it's designed to be played over a long time, like AC. You're supposed to put in a bit every day, and these numbers are cumulative.
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#7 haziqonfire
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Well, according to the chart I made my self with MS PAINT, (I don't have a link) Wii players are not diverse.:shock: You have to take it into account that there are millions of people who's data is not in that chart.

Cesar_Barba

I didn't make this - Kotaku did using the Nintendo Channel data.

edit: link to article here

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#8 bob_newman
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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]this chart pretty much shows how diverse Wii's audience is.clicketyclick
No it doesn't. It shows how diverse the library is, if anything. It does not reflect the number of wii owners playing the game. There could be, for example, only three people playing Tales of Symphonia and it could still make it into the charts, based on the average length of time they played. Hell, if 20 people went out and bought Ninjabread Man and left their Wiis running for a couple days, Ninjabread Man would top SSBB.
Meanwhile, a game like Wii Fit isn't going to get as much play time because you're not going to be playing it for hours on-end. It's designed for short-lived experiences.bob_newman
But it's designed to be played over a long time, like AC. You're supposed to put in a bit every day, and these numbers are cumulative.

"Designed", yes. But just like any other impulse purchase (BowFlex, Yoga DVD's, etc), most people are going to shelve it once the charm wears off.
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#9 Wolblade
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I can believe it. Nintendo's consoles have always been rather diverse in their libraries. They might not have gotten all of the third-party support the others have, but they've always had a pretty diverse library.

Actually, each game I own on the Wii is diverse:

Super Mario Galaxy - Platformer

Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3 - Fighter

Wii Sports - Sports Simulation

Link's Crossbow Training - Multiple Shooter Genres in One.

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[QUOTE="Cesar_Barba"]

Well, according to the chart I made my self with MS PAINT, (I don't have a link) Wii players are not diverse.:shock: You have to take it into account that there are millions of people who's data is not in that chart.

Haziqonfire

I didn't make this - Kotaku did using the Nintendo Channel data.

edit: link to article here

Believe me, I know you didn't make it, after all, what you just said is on that picture. What I was saying is that it's only a statistic based on games sold. It still lacks proper data, which I doubt Nintendo could ever recover. The chart may be right, but I doubt it's 100% on the spot.
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So why do the numbers for TP and Fire Emblem start so late if they've been out for longer than any of them?
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[QUOTE="Cesar_Barba"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

[QUOTE="Cesar_Barba"]

Well, according to the chart I made my self with MS PAINT, (I don't have a link) Wii players are not diverse.:shock: You have to take it into account that there are millions of people who's data is not in that chart.

I didn't make this - Kotaku did using the Nintendo Channel data.

edit: link to article here

Believe me, I know you didn't make it, after all, what you just said is on that picture. What I was saying is that it's only a statistic based on games sold. It still lacks proper data, which I doubt Nintendo could ever recover. The chart may be right, but I doubt it's 100% on the spot.

nintendo never had to recover ,lol , they never been in p ositi on to go out of business, and they definatelly aint in position now , ,
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My reactions:

SSBB: No surprise, great to see. 8)
GHIII: Bit of a shocker, guess I shouldn't be surprised though.
ACCF: AC is good in this department no doubt.
LoZTP: O_o Lol wut? TP that high? Wow. :o
FERD: Wow, once again I am shocked, I need to get this game! :shock:
HMToT: Like AC, this is its specialty.
LSWTCS: Another surprise, these games keep getting high marks.
WS: Yay! Great to see it's still this high and the highest "Wii" title! :D
CoDWaW: Great to see in there, shows that there are fans of the genre. 8)
ToSDotNW: O_O Wow, another bug shocker, how cool, makes me wonder where the first one was on the Gamecube.

No MKW: :lol:
No SMG: :cry:

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#15 intro94
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I'm not surprised Brawl's getting played the most, but I am surprised that Animal Crossing is played as much as TP is. I never thought anyone liked that game. I haven't played it yet, though, so that's probably why I'm shocked.

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dude that game has LEGIONS of fan.I know some adults who are hooked into that game.real people.
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#16 intro94
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if its based on games sold, why is not mkart there?is being sold more than TP or Fire emblem atm.
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I'm not surprised Brawl's getting played the most, but I am surprised that Animal Crossing is played as much as TP is. I never thought anyone liked that game. I haven't played it yet, though, so that's probably why I'm shocked.

Brawl578

Heh you could like Twilight Princess 10 times as much as Animal Crossing but chances are you'll still play Animal Crossing loads more simply due to replay value.

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they r already making core software for wii.
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#19 Shy_Guy_Red
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if its based on games sold, why is not mkart there?is being sold more than TP or Fire emblem atm.intro94

It's not based on most sold, it's based on most played.

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#20 snover2009
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Well, according to the chart I made my self with MS PAINT, (I don't have a link) Wii players are not diverse.:shock: You have to take it into account that there are millions of people who's data is not in that chart.

Cesar_Barba

It is basic statistics. You will never get everyone in the human population, so you take a small sample of that, preferably a random sample, and base you findings on that. This will lead to a relatively accurate description of the population as a whole.

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#21 lancea34
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I'm impressed on how COD:WAW's play time raised over time on the chart.

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What I was saying is that it's only a statistic based on games sold.Cesar_Barba
No it isn't.
It is basic statistics. You will never get everyone in the human population, so you take a small sample of that, preferably a random sample, and base you findings on that. This will lead to a relatively accurate description of the population as a whole.snover2009
Subject to sampling errors, like the people who are hooked up online so that their play hours are reported are more likely to be playing online games. People who exclusively play offline games are less likely to be hooked up online and so their play times are not reported, and they may play offline games for a longer duration than people who play online games.
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You stole my avatar clickety.:P

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#24 clicketyclick
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You stole my avatar clickety.:P

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Had it looong before you. :P
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[QUOTE="snover2009"]It is basic statistics. You will never get everyone in the human population, so you take a small sample of that, preferably a random sample, and base you findings on that. This will lead to a relatively accurate description of the population as a whole.clicketyclick
Subject to sampling errors, like the people who are hooked up online so that their play hours are reported are more likely to be playing online games. People who exclusively play offline games are less likely to be hooked up online and so their play times are not reported, and they may play offline games for a longer duration than people who play online games.

That sounds possible until you notice Mario Kart isn't even in the top 10; I have a hard time believing games with online play have exaggerated numbers when that game is absent still.

As for surprises, I'm not surprised that GHIII is in the top 10 but I'm surprised it's #2. Also Harvest Moon data seems iffy considering they just have a single data point.

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#28 clicketyclick
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That sounds possible until you notice Mario Kart isn't even in the top 10; I have a hard time believing games with online play have exaggerated numbers when that game is absent still.Blue-N-Yellow
It's not that they have exaggerated numbers. It's that they could be overrepresented. Their numbers are accurate because a large number of people report those numbers, whereas with offline games, fewer people report their play hours because fewer people who buy offline games will have their Wii hooked up to the internet. Therefore, the online games could have accurate numbers, while the offline games could have biased numbers due to sampling error.
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One have to be very careful about statistics as they may not tell the entire story.

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#30 clicketyclick
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One have to be very careful about statistics as they may not tell the entire story.

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And in this case, they absolutely don't tell the entire story. These numbers don't at all reflect demographic diversity of Wii gamers. They have absolutely no bearing on it.
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#31 kardine
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[QUOTE="clicketyclick"][QUOTE="baladan"]

One have to be very careful about statistics as they may not tell the entire story.

And in this case, they absolutely don't tell the entire story. These numbers don't at all reflect demographic diversity of Wii gamers. They have absolutely no bearing on it.

Well thats not entirely true. The only way those stats reveal the Wii demographic is that those games have certain demographics so analyzing all those games may give you a rough idea of of demographics. Its almost insignificant though. They do show that not everyone is just on Wii Sports and Wii Fit.
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[QUOTE="kardine"][QUOTE="clicketyclick"][QUOTE="baladan"]

One have to be very careful about statistics as they may not tell the entire story.

And in this case, they absolutely don't tell the entire story. These numbers don't at all reflect demographic diversity of Wii gamers. They have absolutely no bearing on it.

Well thats not entirely true. The only way those stats reveal the Wii demographic is that those games have certain demographics so analyzing all those games may give you a rough idea of of demographics. Its almost insignificant though. They do show that not everyone is just on Wii Sports and Wii Fit.

If only one person bought, let's say, Ninjabread Man, and he played it for 100 hours, it would be at the top there as the most played Wii game. You don't think that's flawed?
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[QUOTE="bob_newman"] If only one person bought, let's say, Ninjabread Man, and he played it for 100 hours, it would be at the top there as the most played Wii game. You don't think that's flawed?

lol, did you read the example I gave when you gave that one? Because we gave nearly the same example of how this chart is flawed.
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[QUOTE="clicketyclick"][QUOTE="bob_newman"] If only one person bought, let's say, Ninjabread Man, and he played it for 100 hours, it would be at the top there as the most played Wii game. You don't think that's flawed?

lol, did you read the example I gave when you gave that one? Because we gave nearly the same example of how this chart is flawed.

Obviously not! Honestly, what are the odds?
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#35 clicketyclick
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[QUOTE="bob_newman"][QUOTE="clicketyclick"][QUOTE="bob_newman"] If only one person bought, let's say, Ninjabread Man, and he played it for 100 hours, it would be at the top there as the most played Wii game. You don't think that's flawed?

lol, did you read the example I gave when you gave that one? Because we gave nearly the same example of how this chart is flawed.

Obviously not! Honestly, what are the odds?

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, so I'm just going to assume this is another case of how great minds think alike. (Fools, on the other hand, seldom differ.)
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[QUOTE="clicketyclick"][QUOTE="bob_newman"][QUOTE="clicketyclick"] lol, did you read the example I gave when you gave that one? Because we gave nearly the same example of how this chart is flawed.

Obviously not! Honestly, what are the odds?

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, so I'm just going to assume this is another case of how great minds think alike. (Fools, on the other hand, seldom differ.)

No, I was being serious. I just thought to myself "what is the one crappy game that everyone knows?" So there you go.
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#37 clicketyclick
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Cool... [QUOTE="clicketyclick"] It shows how diverse the library is, if anything. It does not reflect the number of wii owners playing the game. There could be, for example, only three people playing Tales of Symphonia and it could still make it into the charts, based on the average length of time they played. Hell, if 20 people went out and bought Ninjabread Man and left their Wiis running for a couple days, Ninjabread Man would top SSBB.

[QUOTE="bob_newman"] If only one person bought, let's say, Ninjabread Man, and he played it for 100 hours, it would be at the top there as the most played Wii game. You don't think that's flawed?

Damn, I guess this means I can't disagree with you now. :(
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[QUOTE="kardine"][QUOTE="clicketyclick"] And in this case, they absolutely don't tell the entire story. These numbers don't at all reflect demographic diversity of Wii gamers. They have absolutely no bearing on it.bob_newman
Well thats not entirely true. The only way those stats reveal the Wii demographic is that those games have certain demographics so analyzing all those games may give you a rough idea of of demographics. Its almost insignificant though. They do show that not everyone is just on Wii Sports and Wii Fit.

If only one person bought, let's say, Ninjabread Man, and he played it for 100 hours, it would be at the top there as the most played Wii game. You don't think that's flawed?

Certainly. I never said it was this great indication, why do you think this isn't bigger news? Its not that reliable. Still it holds some indication even if its a rough one. There may be some people unnaturally playing but they are competing with other extreme situations.
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I'm not surprised Brawl's getting played the most, but I am surprised that Animal Crossing is played as much as TP is. I never thought anyone liked that game. I haven't played it yet, though, so that's probably why I'm shocked.

Brawl578

If you ask me, I enjoyed a lot more AC than TP and I'm a 20 years old Zelda's fan..

looking at this chart makes me wanna buy Harvest moon!! Iused tolove so much that game for thePS

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Good to see Fire Emblem in that list! But, what's Harvest Moon doing in there???
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I am actually very surprised that COD W@W is that low on the chart!
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#42 JayReviews
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this chart pretty much shows how diverse Wii's audience is.

In terms of amount of time spent playing Wii games - I'm pretty shocked, because I was expecting different results. Its hard to see that Wii Fit isn't up there and that games like COD: WaW are.

I think if developers knew this, they might be more encouraged about making "core" software on the Wii.

What do you guys think? Shocked? Surprised? Expected it?

Haziqonfire

Expected it. You can't expect someone to want to play that terrible excuse of COD WAW. Granted i know it is the same game, but its rubbish. The game just looks terrible compared to the 360.

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#43 EpiphoneMan2008
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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

this chart pretty much shows how diverse Wii's audience is.

In terms of amount of time spent playing Wii games - I'm pretty shocked, because I was expecting different results. Its hard to see that Wii Fit isn't up there and that games like COD: WaW are.

I think if developers knew this, they might be more encouraged about making "core" software on the Wii.

What do you guys think? Shocked? Surprised? Expected it?

JayReviews

Expected it. You can't expect someone to want to play that terrible excuse of COD WAW. Granted i know it is the same game, but its rubbish. The game just looks terrible compared to the 360.

its actually not so bad man! Its got Graphic issues but it has the fun there!!! just have FUN with a game thats what they are for!

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#44 Cesar_Barba
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[QUOTE="Cesar_Barba"]What I was saying is that it's only a statistic based on games sold.clicketyclick

No it isn't.

Well, you have to admit that I am right even if I am wrong. If a game is not sold, how can it be up there, all those games in the chart are games that were sold, so.... NAHNAHNAHAN 'i'mnot hearing it, im not hearing it'