Thumbstick comparison.
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[QUOTE="PoisoN_Facecam0"]Sony didn't sell me a boomerang controller... as someone who has turned rumble off i could have cared less.. I wasn't missing out on anything by not buying a Dualshock 3 This was a massive oversight on Nintendo's part and they're just trying to remedy it with a quick fix.. all that aside, i would be completely fine with it if they weren't cheaping out again and made at least a different version with an extra lith ion battery in it.El_Zo1212oYou missed the point. This thread isn't about whether or not you use a dual shock or if you turn rumble off. What I'm getting at here is, yeah- Nintendo screwed up. But now they're trying to fix it the same way Sony did when everyone scoffed that the original PS3 controller didn't have a rumble feature. But I'm also trying to illustrate the difficulty with the easy solution. And about the battery, yeah Nintendo is being cheap about it, but have you thought that they did that so they could keep costs down- which translates to a lower asking price, which translates further into a wider adoption rate. They sure seem to me to want to get this into 3ds owners' hands, and I suspect it's because they fully intend to release a twin stick 3DS, and it they hope this will make it be not-so-big a deal among the early adopters since our 3DSs won't be obsolete.
Unfortunately this was a major fail by Nintendo and I don't really agree with you.
Sony came out with a new controller. Now, a controller is not expensive as hell and you don't have to buy a new console for it. So, if Nintendo launches a new 3DS with two sticks, which I doubt they will, just a rumour, even they're not that stupid, it will be irksome.
And the add-on, don't even get me started on that! It's total **** and I hope it's not compulsory for some games. I'm not a Monster Hunter fan anyway :P It's really ugly, makes the 3DS as big as the Sega Game Gear, and it will NOT be comfortable. It will be some way off from the face buttons, in contrast the left circle pad is above the D-Pad. You will have to reach over the huge attachment to press the face buttons, so I don't view it as altogether comfortable.
You missed the point. This thread isn't about whether or not you use a dual shock or if you turn rumble off. What I'm getting at here is, yeah- Nintendo screwed up. But now they're trying to fix it the same way Sony did when everyone scoffed that the original PS3 controller didn't have a rumble feature. But I'm also trying to illustrate the difficulty with the easy solution. And about the battery, yeah Nintendo is being cheap about it, but have you thought that they did that so they could keep costs down- which translates to a lower asking price, which translates further into a wider adoption rate. They sure seem to me to want to get this into 3ds owners' hands, and I suspect it's because they fully intend to release a twin stick 3DS, and it they hope this will make it be not-so-big a deal among the early adopters since our 3DSs won't be obsolete.[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="PoisoN_Facecam0"]Sony didn't sell me a boomerang controller... as someone who has turned rumble off i could have cared less.. I wasn't missing out on anything by not buying a Dualshock 3 This was a massive oversight on Nintendo's part and they're just trying to remedy it with a quick fix.. all that aside, i would be completely fine with it if they weren't cheaping out again and made at least a different version with an extra lith ion battery in it.Spinnerweb
Unfortunately this was a major fail by Nintendo and I don't really agree with you.
Sony came out with a new controller. Now, a controller is not expensive as hell and you don't have to buy a new console for it. So, if Nintendo launches a new 3DS with two sticks, which I doubt they will, just a rumour, even they're not that stupid, it will be irksome.
And the add-on, don't even get me started on that! It's total **** and I hope it's not compulsory for some games. I'm not a Monster Hunter fan anyway :P It's really ugly, makes the 3DS as big as the Sega Game Gear, and it will NOT be comfortable. It will be some way off from the face buttons, in contrast the left circle pad is above the D-Pad. You will have to reach over the huge attachment to press the face buttons, so I don't view it as altogether comfortable.
You're not serious, are you? The right thumbstick will be 3-4 centimeters away from the face buttons. And reaching over will be easier that reaching down the way you have to do with the Dpad. You'll notice in my OP that I did differentiate between a controller and a handheld system. Matter of fact, that was half the post. Actually, after rereading your post, you really highlighted everything I was going on about, but you claimed you disagree with me. Looks to me like the only thing we disagree about is that I'm looking forward to it and you aren't.The lack of rumble in early ps3 controllers was stupid but the dual thumbstick expansion is an even bigger blunder.
the lack of rumble seems to come from a lawsuit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immersion_v._Sony) they had lost before the ps3 was announced which cleared itself out a few months before the dualshock 3 was announced.
Also, it looks like the 3ds addon runs off its own, possibly nonrechargable batteries.
Nonrechargable batteries? Where did you hear this?The lack of rumble in early ps3 controllers was stupid but the dual thumbstick expansion is an even bigger blunder.
the lack of rumble seems to come from a lawsuit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immersion_v._Sony) they had lost before the ps3 was announced which cleared itself out a few months before the dualshock 3 was announced.
Also, it looks like the 3ds addon runs off its own, possibly nonrechargable batteries.
ultramega9
This is not a big deal for me. I'm with you on this one, I'm looking forward to the add-on. I don't think of it as "Nintendo screwed up and now they're releasing this clumsy device. FAIL!" It's an optional attachment that opens up more possibilities,giving developers more to work with. It's now a traditional controller gone portable for the first time and it's not costing us much.
As for the design of it, we won't really know until it comes. In my view, it looks comfortable. The slide pad position looks weird at first but it really isn't that much different if it was below the face buttons.
It's pretty simple in my opinion. If there is game that comes out that I really want to play and it can be enhanced with the extra circle pad, then I won't mind getting it. I think people are overreacting. Would be nice if the Ambassadors that bought it for $250 would get it free, but I know that won't happen lol
I agree with you on all counts, except for one.
Nintendo didn't 'screw up' or 'fail' in any way by releasing the 3DS without a second thumbstick.
If anything, I think they're just trying to shut people up by releasing this peripheral, simply to stop them from comparing this to the Vita so much (as if the two aren't different enough already).
From the beginning, there was absolutely no need for a second thumbstick (or even an additional pair of shoulder buttons) at all, and this has been emphasized time and again by Nintendo and the designers of the 3DS. I have argued this point time and again, and I will do so once more here: People are severely underestimating the power of the touchscreen. A touchscreen can be anything you want - direct gameplay interfacing, a HUD, even a gamepad in itself with infinite layout and 'button' possibilities, including camera control and aiming interfaces (gameplay aspects which I believe are the primary function of the second analog pad). Combined with a dual-screen layout that allows for even greater flexibility in HUD/interface design by allowing the second screen to be completely dedicated to an interface without compromising the first screen, and you've practically negated the need for any more buttons beyond D-pad, RT/LT and ABXY. Add one analog pad just for 360-degree directional control, and that pretty much covers all major gaming control methods (and opens up a lot more possibilities).
But I digress. Now then, back to the topic. Yes, your comparison comes pretty close. Yes, if Nintendo does indeed succumb to the pressure,there is a very real possibility that they willintegrate the second thumbstick into the 3DS Mk2 (But not the second pair of shoulder buttons. That's just way too much.). Therefore this peripheral would make it much easier for early adopters (like me - my 3DS is a Japan launch day import) to accept such a revision since they're already 'on par' in terms of functionality.
Although some 3D games will be better played with a second analog stick, I think Nintendo made the right choice going with one stick. It would be so awkward having the ABXY buttons bellow the second analog. Also, a lot of people seemed to have forgotten how great some DS games were. The 3DS is meant to produce unique games that cannot be played on consoles or other handhelds, not to play dumbed down versions of games on consoles.
I just had to say that, as I really disagree with a lot of people complaining about the second analog. I don't want a Vita (I'm not bashing, I'm actually getting that day one), but a system that can produce more of those awesome DS games (with the obvious upgrades of having better hardware).
[QUOTE="ultramega9"]Nonrechargable batteries? Where did you hear this?The lack of rumble in early ps3 controllers was stupid but the dual thumbstick expansion is an even bigger blunder.
the lack of rumble seems to come from a lawsuit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immersion_v._Sony) they had lost before the ps3 was announced which cleared itself out a few months before the dualshock 3 was announced.
Also, it looks like the 3ds addon runs off its own, possibly nonrechargable batteries.
hydralisk86
The peripheral runs off a single AA battery.
That's another thing I don't get. Why are people complaining about this? How hard is it to get a single AA battery, really?! You run out of juice, pop off the cover and replace it! Don't have a replacement on hand? Walk over to the convenience store down the street and get a pack of 4 for what, $2?
Nonrechargable batteries? Where did you hear this?[QUOTE="hydralisk86"][QUOTE="ultramega9"]
The lack of rumble in early ps3 controllers was stupid but the dual thumbstick expansion is an even bigger blunder.
the lack of rumble seems to come from a lawsuit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immersion_v._Sony) they had lost before the ps3 was announced which cleared itself out a few months before the dualshock 3 was announced.
Also, it looks like the 3ds addon runs off its own, possibly nonrechargable batteries.
disneyanime91
The peripheral runs off a single AA battery.
That's another thing I don't get. Why are people complaining about this? How hard is it to get a single AA battery, really?! You run out of juice, pop off the cover and replace it! Don't have a replacement on hand? Walk over to the convenience store down the street and get a pack of 4 for what, $2?
There seem to be varying reports on whether it runs on AA or AAA batteries. And a 4pack of good batteries costs about 5 or 6 dollars....my 3DS is a Japan launch day import...disneyanime91And I thought I was hardcore with my NA launch day 3DS. You just couldn't wait, huh? I almost imported one myself- I had to keep reminding myself it was region locked in order to be able to wait.
There seem to be varying reports on whether it runs on AA or AAA batteries. And a 4pack of good batteries costs about 5 or 6 dollars.El_Zo1212o
Yeah, for top brands like Energizer or Duracell, batts can go up to that price; but if you're really strapped for cash, then I'm sure you can find some cheap China-made brands that are still rather reliable for 2 or 3. Alternatively, rechargeables are really worth it, and even those don't cost a lot. Anyway, I'm sure a single AA by today's standardswill be able to keep the peripheral running for at least a month or more.
[QUOTE="disneyanime91"]...my 3DS is a Japan launch day import...El_Zo1212oAnd I thought I was hardcore with my NA launch day 3DS. You just couldn't wait, huh? I almost imported one myself- I had to keep reminding myself it was region locked in order to be able to wait.
Yep, couldn't wait :D But I don't regret it one bit. Every game I've imported so far has been worth the price, and I'm enjoying my 3DS to the fullest! I live in Asia anyway so the import premiums don't come up to as much as they would if I were in the US or UK :P
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