Upgrading to a new TV

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#1 ag1052
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Ok so I am finally going to take the plunge and get a new TV. I am looking for something in the 32"-36" range. Most TVs in that range are either tube TVs or LCD. I want an LCD TV but I keep hearing people say that LCD TVs have the problem of "Ghosting".... I dont really know what ghosting is. Anyone got any insite on this? Could you tell me any insite you have on LCD TVs or any reccomendations you all have for some other kind of TV I should get...

EDIT: I posted this here because currently I only have a Wii and want to make sure it looks as good as possiable.

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#2 Leopold_Stotch
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poor black contrast, ghosting, and lag. if you can wait longer you will be able to get something better because lcds are getting better quickly.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=558125

or you can just buy an old CRT HDTV

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#3 Plaguester
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Ghosting occurs when the pixels on a display have a response time that is slower than the video being rendered. This was fairly common with early LCDs. However, most modern LCD TVs do not ghost even on very fast-paced games. Definitely go for an LCD for the 32-36" range.
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#4 ag1052
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Ghosting occurs when the pixels on a display have a response time that is slower than the video being rendered. This was fairly common with early LCDs. However, most modern LCD TVs do not ghost even on very fast-paced games. Definitely go for an LCD for the 32-36" range.Plaguester
Thanks... Im going to do a little more research but at least now I feel more confident about it.
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#5 SHOEGOO
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thw wii looks best on a sdtv get a tube,
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#6 Virus214
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Ghosting occurs when the pixels on a display have a response time that is slower than the video being rendered. This was fairly common with early LCDs. However, most modern LCD TVs do not ghost even on very fast-paced games. Definitely go for an LCD for the 32-36" range.Plaguester

Yea. I have an Older Acer LCD TV. 32" and its great. there is a tad bit of ghostin in games and such. but other than that its awesome.

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#7 theshireling
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just look at the refresh rate for lcds and find the lowest one you can. Mine is pretty high but I don't ever notice any ghosting. The contrast ratio is only 500:1 though so it gets pretty dark.
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#8 commonsenselife
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i can't really help u with this, and im sry for disrupting u at my thread/topic bout is link sexy?, but all i know is that lcd tvs make games, tv shows, movies, etc. look a lot better than tube tvs, and you wont have to turn on the light when your playing/watching a game/tv show at night when its dark outside most of the time becuz it can very bright! tube tvs arent that bright, and im guessing you have a tube tv, so you know all there is to know about tube tvs then. and if you get an lcd tv, make sure you get some composite cables that can go to 480p. i hope im right bout the composit cables, lcd tv, and 480p.
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#9 Jay2800
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he's right, when i put my wii on my brothers widescreen LCD tv and put the resolution on 480p, it looks like crap!
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#10 commonsenselife
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he's right, when i put my wii on my brothers widescreen LCD tv and put the resolution on 480p, it looks like crap!Jay2800

how come? you dont have composite cables? or the tv is just the old version?

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Hands down, you are still going to get the best picture with a Tube TV. I have a 19" LCD TV/Monitor and when I hook up my Wii to that it looks fine, but it does not look nearly as good as when playing on my parents 32" CRT HDTV. The thing with LCDs is that they have Native Resolutions. The native resolution is what is going to look the best on the screen. Now the problem with the Wii is thatthe bestit can do is 854x480 (480p). The LCD is gonna have to do extrapolation.

Extrapolation is using the given data (the resolution getting inputted to the TV) and manipulating it to the native resolution of the LCD. When this is done, the picture could end up becoming a little fuzzy. If you go with a CRT they are capable of displaying multiple resolutions. What this means is that the Wii is going to be able to display 480p at the resolution of 854x480 and you will get the best looking picture. If you are playing an Xbox 360 say, you will be able to display at 1080i (not quite sure if CRTs can do 1080p, but the might be able to) and the image will look awesome. If you were playing the 360 on your LCD, the picture would still look awesome because 1080p would either be the native resolution of the TV or it would be greater than the native resolution. If it is greater, then when the picture is downscaled, it would still look good because it's not trying toadd more pixels.

I am at school right now and my roommate purchased a projector last semester. When I play video games I play on a 108" screen (give or take). Playing Super Mario Galaxy, the picture looks awesome even on a screen that size. The projector has a native resolution of 1024x768, but Galaxy was actually developed by Nintendo (a company that wants to get the most of the Wii, for obvious reasons) and so it will look great. But I've downloaded HD movies and when playing those (720p so 1280x720 resolution compared to the 854x480 of a DVD) the picture looks so much better. That is because the projector is able to output 720p and it has to do less with the image then it does with the DVD image.

So in conclusion, if you are only planning on getting a 36" TV max and you do not mind have a bulky CRT TV, then there is no reason not to go with one. I will just add, if you can, see if you can get a CRT with HDMI if they have it because that will allow you to get the most out of a Blu-rayorHD-DVD player or from the Xbox 360 Elite or PS3. Also, realize that you will probably not notice a difference between 720p and 1080p on a screen of that size. You really start to notice the difference of 720p and 1080p on screen sizes over 60" - 70". Lastly, it really depends on your eye sight and your attention to detail, but you might not even notice the difference between 480p and 720p on a 36" CRT TV. But remember, make sure that you have at least 2 sets of component inputs for the TV (one for your HD cable box and another for a video game system). I would also recommend getting a DVD player that does progressive scan because that will allow you to get the full resolution from a DVD. I'll check back, but if you need any help you can PM me.

EDIT: The poster above me is actually talking about Component cables not composite cables. Component cables are the red, green and blue cables with the white and red for audio. Composite is the yellow cable with the white and red for audio. I also wanted to include some links for you to look at: http://compreviews.about.com/od/multimedia/a/LCDSpecs.htmhttp://compreviews.about.com/od/multimedia/a/CRTSpecs.htm

-Shark2k

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#12 chefstubbies
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I have a 46" 1080p LCD and it plays the Wii amazingly with no ghosting whatsoever.
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#13 BET8390
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Here's what you want:

High contrast ratio, a 1000 and above will give you a good picture

low response time, Anything 8 milliseconds or below is good, unless you play a game so much you can tell when theres lag, you won't notice the latency.

EDIT: In response to the poster above, so as the image is progressive ( not interlaced) a LCD tv will have no problem displaying the image. also, be sure that the TV have a decent video processor, you can just look at user reviews and they'll usually mention what the image looks like.

And ya, CRT's USED to have better images than LCD because of the color acuracy but now all of the problems lCD screens used to have are no longer and if you have the money, there is no reaosn to go back to CRT's.

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#14 Duckman5
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I recommend this or this.
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#15 ag1052
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Thanks everyone!

I recommend this or this.Duckman5

Thanks Duckman... that 32" seems really good and its at a good price point too!!

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#16 Duckman5
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Thanks everyone!

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]I recommend this or this.ag1052

Thanks Duckman... that 32" seems really good and its at a good price point too!!

Vizio is a good Manufacturer, I was getting one for christmas but can't now. :( I have experience with them though and they are quite good.

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#17 Leopold_Stotch
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as shark2k6 has said the wii looks the best on a CRT HDTV.  not a CRT SDTV nor a LCD HDTV.
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#18 BET8390
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[QUOTE="ag1052"]

Thanks everyone!

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]I recommend this or this.Duckman5

Thanks Duckman... that 32" seems really good and its at a good price point too!!

Vizio is a good Manufacturer, I was getting one for christmas but can't now. :( I have experience with them though and they are quite good.

ya but don't get them from Walmart. For some reason when I was in the US, Walmart has a lower spec version of Vizio, the only thing it had going for it was that all black finish.