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#1 intro94
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if preliminary numbers are anything but right, in less than a week tatsunoko is performing quite commendable(at least better than the advertised Darkside or umbrella chronicles), on the wii. I heard the europe numbers are incomplete, but this is a great start.

Sales are of 100k aproximately in the opening week.

No more heroes 2 opened with 41k (a bit better than NMH1).

For perspective:

Little king story took 6 months to reach these sales.

A boy and his blob is still unable to sell what tatsunoko had in this week.

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=41878®ion=All

wii owners buy.At the other hand, No more heroes 2 is performing still decently given the absolute utter lack of support from Ubisoft. I predict sales will rise steadily as it happened with COD.

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#2 alexh_99
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A good wii game with decent advertising is selling! No way /Sarcasm

Proof that all you need is a good game and to actually advertise your product

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#3 PA_DUTCH
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YEAH! i got this game last weekend along with NSMB. It is a fun gameand hadok advertising. It is right in the sweet spot, wonder how NMH DS did. Also wonder if red steel 2 will do well?

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#4 JLF1
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Please don't quote vgchartz.

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#5 Hexagon_777
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Great news. I should get it. It's only £17.95 currently.

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#6 wiifan001
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Tatsunoko vs. Capcom is actually advertised on TV. On the advertisement, it showed Mega Man (Zero) and Ryu, two well known characters in the gaming universe I never heard of A Boy and His Blob on any media other than gaming websites, and that was when I was actually looking them up, and this game hasn't been heard of since the NES. Big difference.
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#7 Arc2012
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Eh. You know this is only one Wii game and not "games," right? And it doesn't really prove anything yet. Wait for some official numbers for Feb and then we'll see how well it did.
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#8 gooflee
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I really don't trust the number VGChartz reports. Back in 2007, I had questions about diferences in the actual number reported and what VGChartz reported.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=12153

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#9 intro94
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lately they have been largely accurate with the flops AND the hits. When NPD released the last games(from NSBM to Darkside Chronicles) results, they matched VGchartz with noteworthy accuracy and within 10k of margin, which is pretty damm aceptable. Hate it? i dont care. They didnt miss the mark lately, and im taking my odds with they being on spot again.
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#10 intro94
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[QUOTE="Arc2012"]Eh. You know this is only one Wii game and not "games," right? And it doesn't really prove anything yet. Wait for some official numbers for Feb and then we'll see how well it did.

i waited from NPD numbers from COD reflex only to find they matched VGCHARTZ . So you know, i wont wait for the same results again.
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#11 thedude-
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If Capcom expects anything more than 500k they are insane.

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#12 Jaysonguy
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Neither one of those games are "core"

They're both niche games meant for a small select audience

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[QUOTE="Arc2012"]Eh. You know this is only one Wii game and not "games," right? And it doesn't really prove anything yet. Wait for some official numbers for Feb and then we'll see how well it did.intro94
i waited from NPD numbers from COD reflex only to find they matched VGCHARTZ . So you know, i wont wait for the same results again.

That's because vgchartz change their own numbers to match the NPD numbers once the NPD numbers are released.

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#14 intro94
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Neither one of those games are "core"

They're both niche games meant for a small select audience

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i could agree with No More heroes for sure, but if you ask me, Tatsunoko is as wide as marvel vs capcom or street fighter. Is a traditional fighter. Id go as far as say is more traditional than Smash brothers. Thats my personal opinion. Is not a spin off, or a light gun game , or a noir aproach, or a "God hand clone". Is just, you know, a 2d (3dish) fighting game.
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#15 intro94
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[QUOTE="intro94"][QUOTE="Arc2012"]Eh. You know this is only one Wii game and not "games," right? And it doesn't really prove anything yet. Wait for some official numbers for Feb and then we'll see how well it did.JLF1

i waited from NPD numbers from COD reflex only to find they matched VGCHARTZ . So you know, i wont wait for the same results again.

That's because vgchartz change their own numbers to match the NPD numbers once the NPD numbers are released.

No thats the issue, listen to what i said. When the numbers of reflex from NPD came, VG was spot on BEFORE the NPD report(10k off out of 500,000). And the same went for Darkside Chronicles. Just to name very recent examples. They do adjust to be exact afterwards, but they are (specially as of late), spot on BEFORE NPD. So i gained a trust for their reports based on these results.
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#16 LegatoSkyheart
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Good Games Sell. Bad Games with uninformed customers sell.

Good Games with Good Advertising Sell.

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[QUOTE="intro94"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Neither one of those games are "core"

They're both niche games meant for a small select audience

i could agree with No More heroes for sure, but if you ask me, Tatsunoko is as wide as marvel vs capcom or street fighter. Is a traditional fighter. Id go as far as say is more traditional than Smash brothers. Thats my personal opinion. Is not a spin off, or a light gun game , or a noir aproach, or a "God hand clone". Is just, you know, a 2d (3dish) fighting game.

Is it impossible for a game to be niche and core as well? Tatsunoko vs Capcom is way more niche than Marvel vs Capcom. Look at the source material.
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i would've liked if you had put the numbers on the OP, so i didn't have to go to the link :P 100k in a week? not bad.
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#20 intro94
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[QUOTE="thedude-"][QUOTE="intro94"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Neither one of those games are "core"

They're both niche games meant for a small select audience

i could agree with No More heroes for sure, but if you ask me, Tatsunoko is as wide as marvel vs capcom or street fighter. Is a traditional fighter. Id go as far as say is more traditional than Smash brothers. Thats my personal opinion. Is not a spin off, or a light gun game , or a noir aproach, or a "God hand clone". Is just, you know, a 2d (3dish) fighting game.

Is it impossible for a game to be niche and core as well? Tatsunoko vs Capcom is way more niche than Marvel vs Capcom. Look at the source material.

well i would agree in a way , if it was just tatsunoko. Or BlazBlue. But it has Ryu on the cover(among chun li and megaman), the word capcom..Is like thinking SF4 is niche because of the "newcomers" that are half of the fighters. Well , Tatsunoko is also half of the crew here. Put Mario with anyone else and people wont care, theres Mario. And heres Capcom.
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#21 intro94
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]i would've liked if you had put the numbers on the OP, so i didn't have to go to the link :P 100k in a week? not bad.

good point i will edit to clarify.
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[QUOTE="thedude-"][QUOTE="intro94"] i could agree with No More heroes for sure, but if you ask me, Tatsunoko is as wide as marvel vs capcom or street fighter. Is a traditional fighter. Id go as far as say is more traditional than Smash brothers. Thats my personal opinion. Is not a spin off, or a light gun game , or a noir aproach, or a "God hand clone". Is just, you know, a 2d (3dish) fighting game.intro94
Is it impossible for a game to be niche and core as well? Tatsunoko vs Capcom is way more niche than Marvel vs Capcom. Look at the source material.

well i would agree in a way , if it was just tatsunoko. Or BlazBlue. But it has Ryu on the cover(among chun li and megaman), the word capcom..Is like thinking SF4 is niche because of the "newcomers" that are half of the fighters. Well , Tatsunoko is also half of the crew here. Put Mario with anyone else and people wont care, theres Mario. And heres Capcom.

*in shock because someone actually knows blazblue* anyway, i don't think a title is "unniched" just because there's a famous person slapped on the cover. it's a hardcore fighting game with enough flashes to cause seizures. it's niche even among fighting game fans.
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#23 LegatoSkyheart
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and yet I love Guilty Gear, Blazblue, Street Fighter 4, Mortal Kombat, Marvel vs Capcom, AND Tatsunoko vs Capcom.

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i could agree with No More heroes for sure, but if you ask me, Tatsunoko is as wide as marvel vs capcom or street fighter. Is a traditional fighter. Id go as far as say is more traditional than Smash brothers. Thats my personal opinion. Is not a spin off, or a light gun game , or a noir aproach, or a "God hand clone". Is just, you know, a 2d (3dish) fighting game.intro94
What exactly niche about NMH? Its your standard M rated action game. There is nothing niche about that game. People should really stop tossing that word around for everything isn't just a direct clone of something else. TvC is a Capcom vs game, granted the fighting scene isn't nearly as big as it use to be, but its not a forgotten genre yet.
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and yet I love Guilty Gear, Blazblue, Street Fighter 4, Mortal Kombat, Marvel vs Capcom, AND Tatsunoko vs Capcom.

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I like the last two the most.
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#26 manicfoot
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That's fantastic :) Maybe these sales encourage Capcom to create more decent titles for Wii. I hope NMH2 comes out in Europe soon. Can't wait for it! :D

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I actually haven't seen any advertisements for Tatsunoko vs. Capcom here in Canada. I did buy it myself though because I knew about it. Also I agree with Jayson, NMH and Tatsunoko vs Capcom are sort of niche, NMH more so then Tatsunoko vs Capcom.
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[QUOTE="intro94"] i could agree with No More heroes for sure, but if you ask me, Tatsunoko is as wide as marvel vs capcom or street fighter. Is a traditional fighter. Id go as far as say is more traditional than Smash brothers. Thats my personal opinion. Is not a spin off, or a light gun game , or a noir aproach, or a "God hand clone". Is just, you know, a 2d (3dish) fighting game.Sepewrath
What exactly niche about NMH? Its your standard M rated action game. There is nothing niche about that game. People should really stop tossing that word around for everything isn't just a direct clone of something else. TvC is a Capcom vs game, granted the fighting scene isn't nearly as big as it use to be, but its not a forgotten genre yet.

i think they mean NMH is "niche" because... well, it's freaking weird, so only a small group of people would take interest on it. as for the VS series, it's practically a sub-genre, like i mentioned above, so it could fit. but on the other hand, you're right, it's another word that's starting to lose it's meaning because people are overusing it to excuse bad sales.
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I actually haven't seen any advertisements for Tatsunoko vs. Capcom here in Canada. I did buy it myself though because I knew about it. Also I agree with Jayson, NMH and Tatsunoko vs Capcom are sort of niche, NMH more so then Tatsunoko vs Capcom.Haziqonfire
But can't a game be niche and "core?"

Many would argue that NMH is a "core" series with hardcore elements throughout the game.

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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]I actually haven't seen any advertisements for Tatsunoko vs. Capcom here in Canada. I did buy it myself though because I knew about it. Also I agree with Jayson, NMH and Tatsunoko vs Capcom are sort of niche, NMH more so then Tatsunoko vs Capcom.thedude-

But can't a game be niche and "core?"

Many would argue that NMH is a "core" series with hardcore elements throughout the game.

if you mean core as in "mario is a core franchise for nintendo", then i'd say both adjectives are opposites. "core" as in "key franchise, important, etc" can't be at the same time something "niche", that only a small, select group appreciates. now if your "core" is just an abbreviation for "hardcore", which i assume you consider games that are not suited for the average casual gamer, then yes.
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="thedude-"]

I actually haven't seen any advertisements for Tatsunoko vs. Capcom here in Canada. I did buy it myself though because I knew about it. Also I agree with Jayson, NMH and Tatsunoko vs Capcom are sort of niche, NMH more so then Tatsunoko vs Capcom.Haziqonfire
But can't a game be niche and "core?"

Many would argue that NMH is a "core" series with hardcore elements throughout the game.

if you mean core as in "mario is a core franchise for nintendo", then i'd say both adjectives are opposites. "core" as in "key franchise, important, etc" can't be at the same time something "niche", that only a small, select group appreciates. now if your "core" is just an abbreviation for "hardcore", which i assume you consider games that are not suited for the average casual gamer, then yes.

I thought they were talking about hardcore using"core" for short, I may be wrong. A hardcore title can also be niche. Hardcore does not necessarily mean unsuited for average casual gamers.
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[QUOTE="Arc2012"]Eh. You know this is only one Wii game and not "games," right? And it doesn't really prove anything yet. Wait for some official numbers for Feb and then we'll see how well it did.intro94
i waited from NPD numbers from COD reflex only to find they matched VGCHARTZ . So you know, i wont wait for the same results again.

I don't doubt the numbers so much as I don't think first week sales matter as much as first month sales. If it sells good over the month, then there is cause for optimism. If it sells well over 6 months, then the game will prove a lot of people wrong (and expect to see a whole flood of fighting games on the Wii ;)).

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i think they mean NMH is "niche" because... well, it's freaking weird, so only a small group of people would take interest on it. as for the VS series, it's practically a sub-genre, like i mentioned above, so it could fit. but on the other hand, you're right, it's another word that's starting to lose it's meaning because people are overusing it to excuse bad sales.BrunoBRS
There's nothing weird about NMH, it has a crazy, ridiculous story with crazy ridiculous combat and is all kinds of gory. That describes just about every action game out on the market. And even if you wanted to call something a sub genre, that doesn't make it niche. Space shooters are a sub genre to shooters, that would include games like Halo and Gears of War. Are those games niche? Stylish action games like DMC and Bayonetta are a sub genre, but I would hardly call them niche. There is nothing niche about these games, they are your standard fare.
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I must buy it

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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] i think they mean NMH is "niche" because... well, it's freaking weird, so only a small group of people would take interest on it. as for the VS series, it's practically a sub-genre, like i mentioned above, so it could fit. but on the other hand, you're right, it's another word that's starting to lose it's meaning because people are overusing it to excuse bad sales.Sepewrath
There's nothing weird about NMH, it has a crazy, ridiculous story with crazy ridiculous combat and is all kinds of gory. That describes just about every action game out on the market. And even if you wanted to call something a sub genre, that doesn't make it niche. Space shooters are a sub genre to shooters, that would include games like Halo and Gears of War. Are those games niche? Stylish action games like DMC and Bayonetta are a sub genre, but I would hardly call them niche. There is nothing niche about these games, they are your standard fare.

on the no more heroes thing, it's not every god of war fan that enjoys bizarre pop culture references and nonsense. and you know what i mean on the second one. i'm not talking about it being "niche" just because it's a sub genre, it's that it's so different from the average fighting game that many fighting gamers don't like it. and just to say it, i'm not taking positions on what's niche and what isn't. i'm just speculating on why people could think something is/isn't considered a "niche" title.
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] i think they mean NMH is "niche" because... well, it's freaking weird, so only a small group of people would take interest on it. as for the VS series, it's practically a sub-genre, like i mentioned above, so it could fit. but on the other hand, you're right, it's another word that's starting to lose it's meaning because people are overusing it to excuse bad sales.Sepewrath
There's nothing weird about NMH, it has a crazy, ridiculous story with crazy ridiculous combat and is all kinds of gory. That describes just about every action game out on the market. And even if you wanted to call something a sub genre, that doesn't make it niche. Space shooters are a sub genre to shooters, that would include games like Halo and Gears of War. Are those games niche? Stylish action games like DMC and Bayonetta are a sub genre, but I would hardly call them niche. There is nothing niche about these games, they are your standard fare.

Tatsunoko being introduced to an unaware market is niche. NMH filled with wresting, western elements, obscure nerd culture is very niche. When you describe NMH in such general terms as "a crazy, ridiculous story with crazy ridiculous combat and is all kinds of gor[e]" of course you could justify it as a normal game. But when you look at the material and the whole game, you know for sure they both have material that is extremely niche.
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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]I actually haven't seen any advertisements for Tatsunoko vs. Capcom here in Canada. I did buy it myself though because I knew about it. Also I agree with Jayson, NMH and Tatsunoko vs Capcom are sort of niche, NMH more so then Tatsunoko vs Capcom.thedude-

But can't a game be niche and "core?"

Many would argue that NMH is a "core" series with hardcore elements throughout the game.

I don't believe in using "hardcore" or "casual" terms. I think they're stupid and useless. The game is not "mainstream" if that's what you mean, it doesn't appeal to the average player - Hence why I'd say its niche - its very weird and the majority of people won't like its humour or understand the game.
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on the no more heroes thing, it's not every god of war fan that enjoys bizarre pop culture references and nonsense. and you know what i mean on the second one. i'm not talking about it being "niche" just because it's a sub genre, it's that it's so different from the average fighting game that many fighting gamers don't like it. and just to say it, i'm not taking positions on what's niche and what isn't. i'm just speculating on why people could think something is/isn't considered a "niche" title.BrunoBRS
You just described Devil May Cry. most action games aren't about the brooding, pissed off anti hero that is Kratos. DMC is just one big pop culture reference. And I guess you've never heard of X-men vs SF? Marvel vs Capcom? its far from niche.
Tatsunoko being introduced to an unaware market is niche. NMH filled with wresting, western elements, obscure nerd culture is very niche. When you describe NMH in such general terms as "a crazy, ridiculous story with crazy ridiculous combat and is all kinds of gor[e]" of course you could justify it as a normal game. But when you look at the material and the whole game, you know for sure they both have material that is extremely niche.thedude-
Craxy ridiculous story, Bayonetta, Devil Mary Cry, Ninja Gaiden, ridiculous combat, every action game on the market, all kinds of gore, NG2, God of War, Dante's Inferno. So when do I hit the niche? You got a guy running around for whatever reason, cutting people in half. You think it really makes a huge difference to people that your fighting some girl with the Darth Maul staff vs fighting a Giant Medusa vs fighting a very large Angel vs fighting vs fighting a Werewolf fiend vs fighting Satan vs fighting a Giant Wind Blowing Frog. The only difference between NMH and those games is NMH does not use the basic combat skill tree's. But that alone does not make it niche.
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Poetry, mythology, NINJAS, witch and monster lore, sex appeal, established franchises....are all things accepted by big audiences. Much bigger audiences than NMH and that is the seperation from popular to niche. You can compare them all you want when you generalize as much as you are doing, but when you get to brass tax there are bigger audiences for all those games and for plain and simple reasons.

BTW Bayonetta is not widespread appealing game. It has a ton of promotion behind it, sex appeal, and its extrmely high quality but it is only selling moderately right now.

There are specific reasons why certain games are niche even if they can be compared to extremely popular games. NMH is mix mash of so many odd sty1esand its universe is more odd than even Bayonetta. Once again Tatsunoko is virtually unknown by audiences here, that alone makes it niche.

Besides that DMC, Ninja Gaiden, God of War are all relatively niche in comparison to the now bigger and more widespread gaming audience. NMH is that much more niche than those franchises. Its just the way it is, certain games are niche, not necessarily for the content but how audiences accept those games.

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#40 intro94
Member since 2006 • 2623 Posts
i think this got a bit of track. In summary, it appears roughly that TVC is doing very well in its debut and personally i hope it keeps up. Same for NMH. More of the AAA quality is quite welcome on the wii.
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#41 maxgil2
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Anyone know what's the release date for NMH2 in Australia is? ...I assume it will be after Red Steel 2 stores are alredy taking preorders for it...tho nothing NMH2

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#42 Jaysonguy
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[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Neither one of those games are "core"

They're both niche games meant for a small select audience

intro94

i could agree with No More heroes for sure, but if you ask me, Tatsunoko is as wide as marvel vs capcom or street fighter. Is a traditional fighter. Id go as far as say is more traditional than Smash brothers. Thats my personal opinion. Is not a spin off, or a light gun game , or a noir aproach, or a "God hand clone". Is just, you know, a 2d (3dish) fighting game.

Well the reason that I bring that up is that those numbers aren't good for a core title but something niche they're not bad

Considering this is the only fighting game of this style on the Wii you'd look at the numbers and be like "wow that's horrible" then you'd look at the cast and be like "That Eagle is what now?"

No More Heroes is competing against it's first title that can be had at under 20 dollars new these days so that number is low but not awful. It's a bit up from launch numbers of the first but not by leaps and bounds

Both titles are performing the way I expected them to.

Neither one of these titles are/will sell great but that's fine, they're hitting their intended audience

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#43 Hexagon_777
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I actually haven't seen any advertisements for Tatsunoko vs. Capcom here in Canada. Haziqonfire

Come to think of it, I haven't seen any here in the United Kingdom either. Not good.

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#44 maxgil2
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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]I actually haven't seen any advertisements for Tatsunoko vs. Capcom here in Canada. Hexagon_777

Come to think of it, I haven't seen any here in the United Kingdom either. Not good.

No advertisement in Australia either ..which is a shame

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#45 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]I actually haven't seen any advertisements for Tatsunoko vs. Capcom here in Canada. maxgil2
Come to think of it, I haven't seen any here in the United Kingdom either. Not good.

No advertisement in Australia either ..which is a shame

Then I suppose it is time for us gamers to do all the advertising once again. Word of mouth and forum signatures should do the trick.

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#46 Jaysonguy
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Then I suppose it is time for us gamers to do all the advertising once again. Word of mouth and forum signatures should do the trick.

Hexagon_777

Really?

That's worked when?

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#47 Cruse34
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Sounds really good for Tatsunoko vs Capcom I still want to get this but I don't know if I will. We shouldn't be celebrating 40K for NMH thats bad no matter how much worse other games have sold

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#48 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

Then I suppose it is time for us gamers to do all the advertising once again. Word of mouth and forum signatures should do the trick.

Jaysonguy

Really?

That's worked when?

well i'm getting phantasy star zero only because i heard great things from other players, and many people just pick games after other people recommend them, so i guess it works... sorta.
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#49 lild1425
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Trauma Center New Blood and De Blob are very good 3rd party titles. Just as good as the Nintendo games. So if you get bored with Mario, you can always play something original like these two.

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#50 Wild_Card
Member since 2005 • 4034 Posts

A good wii game with decent advertising is selling! No way /Sarcasm

Proof that all you need is a good game and to actually advertise your product

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very true. when people like to mouth off about how core games or 3rd party games cant sell on a nintendo system i point them to RE4. it was both core and 3rd party and sold very well. the reason? it was great game and was advertised.