What if Zelda Wii backfires, and leaves a bad taste in people's mouths???

We all know Zelda, is a huge series for Nintendo. We all have high hopes for this game, but a thought just occured to myself.

What if Nintendo changes how the game plays, and it differentiates itself from the other gamesso much that the people that became familar with the series (who found it through the purchase of a Wii) hate it?

Think about it... newer gamers, or once upon a time gamers that were re-familarized with the series probably had a great time with Twilight Princess. I'm sure the vast majority of gamers who bought the game at launch, were dedicated fans, blah blah blah. But what about those new/born again gamers? They don't know that the series has become stagnant, and stale as of late. What if their first experience was Twilight Princess, and this new game alienates them from the series in the future because it's different?

You can say what you want, but look at Zelda II: the Adventure of Link. It was so drastically different than it's predacessor, I'm sure that turned people off from it too. It's also considered by many... the worst game in the series.

All n all, I'm sure the game will turn out fine, but it's something I was curious to see what you all thought about if it was brought to your attention. This could very well happen if Nintendo isn't very careful. They better get it right.... for fans, and new folks alike.

You can say what you want, but look at Zelda II: the Adventure of Link. It was so drastically different than it's predacessor, I'm sure that turned people off from it too. It's also considered by many... the worst game in the series.

danger_ranger95

It wasn't hated just because it was different; it was hated because what it did differently wasn't nearly as fun as the formula in the first game and/or it was poorly executed.

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You can say what you want, but look at Zelda II: the Adventure of Link. It was so drastically different than it's predacessor, I'm sure that turned people off from it too. It's also considered by many... the worst game in the series.

VGobbsesser

It wasn't hated just because it was different; it was hated because what it did differently wasn't nearly as fun as the formula in the first game and/or it was poorly executed.

but... that's exactly what I'm saying about this new game. It could do the exact same thing AoL did. Nothing wrong with being different, but like you said... it wasn't what the first game was that made people love Zelda.

*looks at the prime series* nintendo wouldn't release it if it was less than great. i'm telling you, every team under myiamoto's command is either perfectionist or is dead (i bet he has a katana and threatens his employees all the time). i think myiamoto mentioned once that he uses 2 methods to test if the game's going well. the first is "kidnap" some random nintendo employee that has nothing to do with the development of the game, and test it. the second method is the consequence of the first one: if said employee doesn't like it enough, they start again. from ground zero. like throwing on fire everything they've worked on so far. i can imagine the tension of the team on the closing months... but it works.BrunoBRS

very true, and I hope it turns out great.

Working for Miyamoto would probably be very stressful

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]*looks at the prime series* nintendo wouldn't release it if it was less than great. i'm telling you, every team under myiamoto's command is either perfectionist or is dead (i bet he has a katana and threatens his employees all the time). i think myiamoto mentioned once that he uses 2 methods to test if the game's going well. the first is "kidnap" some random nintendo employee that has nothing to do with the development of the game, and test it. the second method is the consequence of the first one: if said employee doesn't like it enough, they start again. from ground zero. like throwing on fire everything they've worked on so far. i can imagine the tension of the team on the closing months... but it works.danger_ranger95

very true, and I hope it turns out great.

Working for Miyamoto would probably be very stressful

It's following in Twilight Princess's footsteps so it's already got one foot in the grave

The thing is though with Twilight Princess it was an awful game with awful controls

Even if the newest game is patterned like Twilight Princess if it controls well it could at least even everything out.

Sports Resort was supposed to give true 1:1 and it doesn't so I can't see how the newest Zelda will do well when it's already following a game that's disliked/hated by a large chunk of users and then still wont give the controls everyone expects.

Maybe we'll see an option for "standard" controls as well, since Twilight Princess was a Gamecube game ported to the Wii maybe Nintendo thought that people could have the "standard" controls if they wanted.

The main thing is the controls, we can't have another delayed wagglefast when it comes to controls, there's gotta be something that makes people want to play the game. We can't have a game that's frustrating to play again.

The main thing is the controls, we can't have another delayed wagglefast when it comes to controls, there's gotta be something that makes people want to play the game. We can't have a game that's frustrating to play again.

Jaysonguy

exactly....

I mean there's going to be more to it, but the controls alone are what the "everyday" gamers are probably curious about when it comes to this game. With no indication of how they'll be implemented, Nintendo is building their own generated hype train... and if they don't nail... a lot of people are going to be mad, A LOT!!!

Then.... there's everything else

wait for the new one and hope that it won't fail like last onefunsohng

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

The main thing is the controls, we can't have another delayed wagglefast when it comes to controls, there's gotta be something that makes people want to play the game. We can't have a game that's frustrating to play again.

danger_ranger95

exactly....

I mean there's going to be more to it, but the controls alone are what the "everyday" gamers are probably curious about when it comes to this game. With no indication of how they'll be implemented, Nintendo is building their own generated hype train... and if they don't nail... a lot of people are going to be mad, A LOT!!!

Then.... there's everything else

Yes, the controls will be the thing that saves or kills this because it's following the last (console) game so closely

I think the better idea would have been to start new on both sides of the ball. Have a new control scheme that laughs in the face of the old one and have a new style of Zelda so that everything is fresh and everything is new.

It's funny how you said "bad taste in the mouth" because that's what the last (console) Zelda did for a lot of gamers and they need a hook to get them back

You could almost say this Zelda is a lot like Rayman Raving Rabbids.

Now the Rabbid games are great but mostly what makes them great are the controls, sure the Rabbids are funny but it was the motions that made them such a strong franchise.

Same goes for this Zelda

The last installation let down so many people that just hearing another Zelda title doesn't exactly excite people, but say that it's a Zelda title that will play like nothing we've played before?

There's your hook and you better bring it

[QUOTE="funsohng"]wait for the new one and hope that it won't fail like last oneSepewrath

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[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

The main thing is the controls, we can't have another delayed wagglefast when it comes to controls, there's gotta be something that makes people want to play the game. We can't have a game that's frustrating to play again.

Jaysonguy

exactly....

I mean there's going to be more to it, but the controls alone are what the "everyday" gamers are probably curious about when it comes to this game. With no indication of how they'll be implemented, Nintendo is building their own generated hype train... and if they don't nail... a lot of people are going to be mad, A LOT!!!

Then.... there's everything else

Yes, the controls will be the thing that saves or kills this because it's following the last (console) game so closely

I don't think it's going to backfire.

I think it's going to be an amazing looking game, have an awesome story, more sidequests then we can handle, have an enormus overworld, some of the best bosses the series has ever seen and a twist on the ending so big it'll blow everyone's mind.

I think it'll be the best, if not one of the best games on the Wii. And quite possibly Game of the Year, assuming it does come out this year and doesn't get delayed countless times.

Then I will have a bad taste in my mouth.

I don't think it's going to backfire.

I think it's going to be an amazing looking game, have an awesome story, more sidequests then we can handle, have an enormus overworld, some of the best bosses the series has ever seen and a twist on the ending so big it'll blow everyone's mind.

I think it'll be the best, if not one of the best games on the Wii. And quite possibly Game of the Year, assuming it does come out this year and doesn't get delayed countless times.

J_Ford

....... couldn't agree more. now give back my words, thief! :xBrunoBRS

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I don't think it's going to backfire.

I think it's going to be an amazing looking game, have an awesome story, more sidequests then we can handle, have an enormus overworld, some of the best bosses the series has ever seen and a twist on the ending so big it'll blow everyone's mind.

I think it'll be the best, if not one of the best games on the Wii. And quite possibly Game of the Year, assuming it does come out this year and doesn't get delayed countless times.

BrunoBRS

Not really, I never mentioned the poster in any way shape or form.

Zelda is my favorite franchise, Link is my favorite character.

I have high hopes for this Zelda. It's already been stated that this Zelda will have the same graphical style as Twilight Princess, it's only logical to assume that they're going to improve on everything that made Twilight Princess such a masterpiece. The only Zelda games I've ever been disappointed with were Zelda 2 and Majora's Mask because they're not traditional Zelda experiences. They strayed too far from what makes every other Zelda game awesome.

Also, I don't hype games to the point that I'll be disappointed if it's not what I expected.

Plus I didn't know attitude and opinion meant the same thing :P

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] ....... couldn't agree more. now give back my words, thief! :xSepewrath

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="J_Ford"]

I don't think it's going to backfire.

I think it's going to be an amazing looking game, have an awesome story, more sidequests then we can handle, have an enormus overworld, some of the best bosses the series has ever seen and a twist on the ending so big it'll blow everyone's mind.

I think it'll be the best, if not one of the best games on the Wii. And quite possibly Game of the Year, assuming it does come out this year and doesn't get delayed countless times.

J_Ford

Not really, I never mentioned the poster in any way shape or form.

Zelda is my favorite franchise, Link is my favorite character.

I have high hopes for this Zelda. It's already been stated that this Zelda will have the same graphical style as Twilight Princess, it's only logical to assume that they're going to improve on everything that made Twilight Princess such a masterpiece. The only Zelda games I've ever been disappointed with were Zelda 2 and Majora's Mask because they're not traditional Zelda experiences. They strayed too far from what makes every other Zelda game awesome.

Also, I don't hype games to the point that I'll be disappointed if it's not what I expected.

Plus I didn't know attitude and opinion meant the same thing :P

Then I will have a bad taste in my mouth.

shoryuken_

Exactly. For me, it's not much more complex than this, really. I'm hopeful that the next Zelda will be a solid game, it's often a good idea to be prepared for the worst. That's not to say I often run into Zelda games I don't like (in fact Zelda 2 is the closest thing to that), so I'm not expecting this game to be a total disappointment. That said, I'm not that attached to the series to the point where if it tries something new that doesn't work, I'm going to have an explosive amount of anger or anything. It's a video game, afterall, and not even my favorite series at that. :P

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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] i think you're hyping a poster way too much and will probably be disappointed if you keep this attitude...BrunoBRS

Not really, I never mentioned the poster in any way shape or form.

Zelda is my favorite franchise, Link is my favorite character.

I have high hopes for this Zelda. It's already been stated that this Zelda will have the same graphical style as Twilight Princess, it's only logical to assume that they're going to improve on everything that made Twilight Princess such a masterpiece. The only Zelda games I've ever been disappointed with were Zelda 2 and Majora's Mask because they're not traditional Zelda experiences. They strayed too far from what makes every other Zelda game awesome.

Also, I don't hype games to the point that I'll be disappointed if it's not what I expected.

Plus I didn't know attitude and opinion meant the same thing :P

I was disappointed with Majora's Mask because having a time limit of three days to complete the game is annoying and frustrating. The only good thing about the game is the ability to turn into a deku scrub, goron, zora and fierce diety link. Not to mention that only having 4 dungeons makes it a bit too short in my opinion. It seems like most of the gameplay was focused on side quests more than the actual story.

This new Zelda with implement Wii Motion Plus, so if that's what you mean by it being too different then I still have to say I won't be disappointed. Wii Motion Plus is only going to enhance the experience and make it one of the best Zelda games ever made, if not the best.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="J_Ford"]

Not really, I never mentioned the poster in any way shape or form.

Zelda is my favorite franchise, Link is my favorite character.

I have high hopes for this Zelda. It's already been stated that this Zelda will have the same graphical style as Twilight Princess, it's only logical to assume that they're going to improve on everything that made Twilight Princess such a masterpiece. The only Zelda games I've ever been disappointed with were Zelda 2 and Majora's Mask because they're not traditional Zelda experiences. They strayed too far from what makes every other Zelda game awesome.

Also, I don't hype games to the point that I'll be disappointed if it's not what I expected.

Plus I didn't know attitude and opinion meant the same thing :P

J_Ford

I was disappointed with Majora's Mask because having a time limit of three days to complete the game is annoying and frustrating. The only good thing about the game is the ability to turn into a deku scrub, goron, zora and fierce diety link. Not to mention that only having 4 dungeons makes it a bit too short in my opinion. It seems like most of the gameplay was focused on side quests more than the actual story.

This new Zelda with implement Wii Motion Plus, so if that's what you mean by it being too different then I still have to say I won't be disappointed. Wii Motion Plus is only going to enhance the experience and make it one of the best Zelda games ever made, if not the best.

] i'd guess that's probably what people are complaining about. the motion was an "add-on", and probably they felt it was a rushed implementation... but i'm not them, it's easier to wait for their answer :PBrunoBRS

well, looking at the series up until now.....

The biggest thing that's changed with each new console game is what the "gimmick" is (for each new game)

aLttP- Light/Darkworld

OoT- Time

MM- Time (limited)

WW- Sailing/Wind

TP- Wolf gameplay/Twilight Realm

every game since aLttP has had something attached to it when it comes to gameplay. Of course the later games have changed, but mostly all of the games after aLttP have followed the same path set in stone by it. They just differed in their own gimmicks. (note- I don't mean gimmick in a bad way)

I'm really thinking that with their clue of the "no sword" and the girl... this game is going to heavily focus on swordplay as it's gimmick... much more so than we think. What better game to show off M+ with than Zelda? That's why I'm concerned though.... if it's not a 100% fluid.... people will go nuts

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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] first, you might not have mentioned the poster, but right now zelda wii is just a poster. with rivers of hype flowing from it. and if you've been disappointed with majora's mask because it was "too different", i must repeat myself, you're in for a disappointment. and i meant the attitude of hyping :PBrunoBRS

I was disappointed with Majora's Mask because having a time limit of three days to complete the game is annoying and frustrating. The only good thing about the game is the ability to turn into a deku scrub, goron, zora and fierce diety link. Not to mention that only having 4 dungeons makes it a bit too short in my opinion. It seems like most of the gameplay was focused on side quests more than the actual story.

This new Zelda with implement Wii Motion Plus, so if that's what you mean by it being too different then I still have to say I won't be disappointed. Wii Motion Plus is only going to enhance the experience and make it one of the best Zelda games ever made, if not the best.

I guess so.

But taking a new direction on the series isn't a bad thing, since we don't really know what new direction it's taking in the first place. It all depends on what they're planning on doing. I don't think they're going to change it so drastically that long time fans of the series are going to hate it and people new to the series aren't going to enjoy it.

I'm sure they're working as hard as they can to make a Zelda game that everyone will be able to enjoy.

I think we'll all be pleasantly suprised at E3 this year.

That's why I'm concerned though.... if it's not a 100% fluid.... people will go nuts

danger_ranger95

And Nintendo doesn't have a game where it IS fluid to this point

No one can go "yeah the sword fighting will work because of ENTER GAME HERE"

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That's why I'm concerned though.... if it's not a 100% fluid.... people will go nuts

Jaysonguy

And Nintendo doesn't have a game where it IS fluid to this point

No one can go "yeah the sword fighting will work because of ENTER GAME HERE"

yeah...

WSR swordfighting was fun, but I agree.... it wasn't 100% perfect.

It makes me wonder how the shield will work since the sword will be somewhat 1:1. I really don't see how it could be automatic last time because it would make the game cheap imo.

I guess so.

But taking a new direction on the series isn't a bad thing, since we don't really know what new direction it's taking in the first place. It all depends on what they're planning on doing. I don't think they're going to change it so drastically that long time fans of the series are going to hate it and people new to the series aren't going to enjoy it.

I'm sure they're working as hard as they can to make a Zelda game that everyone will be able to enjoy.

I think we'll all be pleasantly suprised at E3 this year.

J_Ford

No one can go "yeah the sword fighting will work because of ENTER GAME HERE"

Jaysonguy

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[QUOTE="danger_ranger95"]

That's why I'm concerned though.... if it's not a 100% fluid.... people will go nuts

danger_ranger95

And Nintendo doesn't have a game where it IS fluid to this point

No one can go "yeah the sword fighting will work because of ENTER GAME HERE"

yeah...

WSR swordfighting was fun, but I agree.... it wasn't 100% perfect.

It makes me wonder how the shield will work since the sword will be somewhat 1:1. I really don't see how it could be automatic last time because it would make the game cheap imo.

Since the chuk doesn't have anything helping it with motion I'd guess that it was going to be a button right?

That's what I've thought from the start of this

I really don't know how people dislike TP, it was better than any other Zelda game. I think many people just fell victim to thier own hype and many more will do the same with this game. Sepewrath

Yea I've always figured that was one of the main reasons it gets hated on as well, I thought it was a great game though and you may be right about people doing the same with this game. Anyway as far as the game backfiring goes i could care less what the zelda majority fanbase thinks because at the end of the day if i have fun with the game (and since its zelda i know i will) that's all i really care about, no ones opinions of any certain game will ever deter me from what i get out of the experience.

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[QUOTE="danger_ranger95"]

That's why I'm concerned though.... if it's not a 100% fluid.... people will go nuts

danger_ranger95

And Nintendo doesn't have a game where it IS fluid to this point

No one can go "yeah the sword fighting will work because of ENTER GAME HERE"

yeah...

WSR swordfighting was fun, but I agree.... it wasn't 100% perfect.

It makes me wonder how the shield will work since the sword will be somewhat 1:1. I really don't see how it could be automatic last time because it would make the game cheap imo.

The sword fighting will never be 100% perfect, really that's just impossible, plus everyone has a different definition of perfect anyway.. But this is Nintendo we're talking about, I think that they know what they're doing. Also what's wrong with Twilight Princess? True the controls didn't flip gaming upside down or anything but they worked well and imo and all my friends who've played it on Wii loved it compared to the GC and N64 control scheme. For us it felt more fluid, interactive, and fun. Plus how in the world is waggle any worse than button mashing?

I'm guessing no one has watched this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=208tAjPOXlI Great video explaining sword play on Wii, 1:50-2:15 is particularly informative.

wait for the new one and hope that it won't fail like last onefunsohng

Just what I was thinking.

The only game for me to sorta be annoyed at to the point of going "merh" at it was Phantom Hourglass, and even then I enjoyed it for the most part. I even enjoyed AoL once I got used to it. It will have to do something extremely drastic for me not to like it.

I'm pretty sure it wont dissapoint us if its from Nintendo it is gonna br greati love zelda i dont won my Wii right now since i gave it 2 my niece but if this game is really great when it comes out i will buy another Wii

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[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

And Nintendo doesn't have a game where it IS fluid to this point

No one can go "yeah the sword fighting will work because of ENTER GAME HERE"

Jaysonguy

yeah...

WSR swordfighting was fun, but I agree.... it wasn't 100% perfect.

It makes me wonder how the shield will work since the sword will be somewhat 1:1. I really don't see how it could be automatic last time because it would make the game cheap imo.

Since the chuk doesn't have anything helping it with motion I'd guess that it was going to be a button right?

That's what I've thought from the start of this

Exactly. For me, it's not much more complex than this, really. I'm hopeful that the next Zelda will be a solid game, it's often a good idea to be prepared for the worst. That's not to say I often run into Zelda games I don't like (in fact Zelda 2 is the closest thing to that), so I'm not expecting this game to be a total disappointment. That said, I'm not that attached to the series to the point where if it tries something new that doesn't work, I'm going to have an explosive amount of anger or anything. It's a video game, afterall, and not even my favorite series at that. :P

Madmangamer364

I forgot to mention the part where I rip Shigeru Miyamoto a new butthole. :P

I think the next Zelda will be accessible to all ages ;)

Nintendo are great developers and know what they're doing. If they change the Zelda formula then I'm sure it'll be great.

Metroid Other M is an example of how you make something new while still not going far from the basic concept of the franchise (at least from what we've seen from the trailer). I hope they get it right with Zelda Wii too.

I think your proposal is unlikely, but let's just entertain the thought for a while...

Miyamoto is renowned for making the stale fresh again. All of the main series have been re-booted at least once in their lives, and I think the Wii Zelda will be analogous to the jump from Minish Cap to Phantom Hourglass.

We'll see the familiar in all key areas (battling, exploring, item list etc.) but it will be how we interact with it that will be different. This will achieve unity and contrast in the gaming experience.

If they somehow overreach, and make the new interactions too extreme (like making the balance board a key controller (please no God!)) so that they then detract from established mechanics that we all love, then it will be a case of re-adjusting that we will all have to do - a bit like the Zelda II example somebody else mentioned (except in this case there are many, many more years and titles tattooed in our memories).

My prediction (and I don't like the idea myself) is that they will enable Link to fly. Blasphemous, I know.

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[QUOTE="danger_ranger95"]

yeah...

WSR swordfighting was fun, but I agree.... it wasn't 100% perfect.

It makes me wonder how the shield will work since the sword will be somewhat 1:1. I really don't see how it could be automatic last time because it would make the game cheap imo.

Half-Way

Since the chuk doesn't have anything helping it with motion I'd guess that it was going to be a button right?

That's what I've thought from the start of this

So does this New Zelda have to be better than Ocarina of Time.