Whats with the whole Graphics thing

Ive seen alot of people argue about the importances of graphics, most notably the wiis weak graphics. dont people realize that the console with the best graphics haven't won a generation in years.

 for example

playstation vs. n64

xbox vs ps2 vs gc (ps2 was the weakest of all)

DS vs. PSP 

As a further example.

Genesis, SNES>Neo-Geo, 3DO and Jaguar.

Gameboy>Gamegear and Atari Lynx.

NES>Sega Master System(Sega's 8-bit console was technically more powerful).

Its kind of amazing how overemphasized graphics are here in game forums given that lousy track record in video game dominance for the most powerful consoles of their respective generation.

http://media.wii.ign.com/media/863/863791/imgs_1.html

Can someone post these!!!  I think these graphics are great..  

I'm just disappointed Nintendo didn't step it up out of the gate (graphics wise). I wasn't expecting PS3 or 360 levels but geez, give us a taste of what's to come.

If they weren't important we'd still be playing Atari 2600....or Spideman III.

The only problem with your logic, is that the Wii wouldn't even have the best graphics of the last generation, Its so far behind that it simply will never appeal to a huge section of the established market. Sure the casual market is huge, but its a little silly to ignore an audience of millions who are a cast iron proven market.

Graphics are kinda the point of new consoles. if they didnt matter we would still be playing atari.STABW0UND

That's asanine, there are lots of other reasons for new consoles, including processing power, storage medium, advances in television technology, etc...the list goes on. 

I find it funny when people say "If graphics didnt matter, we would still be playing *insert old-school console*"...

I'd choose an Atari game with good gameplay over a game with very bad gameplay and amazing graphics any day :|

Ive seen alot of people argue about the importances of graphics, most notably the wiis weak graphics. dont people realize that the console with the best graphics haven't won a generation in years.

for example

playstation vs. n64

xbox vs ps2 vs gc (ps2 was the weakest of all)

DS vs. PSP

 

decrot

The only problem with your logic, is that the Wii wouldn't even have the best graphics of the last generation, Its so far behind that it simply will never appeal to a huge section of the established market. Sure the casual market is huge, but its a little silly to ignore an audience of millions who are a cast iron proven market.

pippin73

[QUOTE="decrot"]

Ive seen alot of people argue about the importances of graphics, most notably the wiis weak graphics. dont people realize that the console with the best graphics haven't won a generation in years.

for example

playstation vs. n64

xbox vs ps2 vs gc (ps2 was the weakest of all)

DS vs. PSP

 

theICE_MAN

Um... no?

Ive seen alot of people argue about the importances of graphics, most notably the wiis weak graphics. dont people realize that the console with the best graphics haven't won a generation in years.

for example

playstation vs. n64

xbox vs ps2 vs gc (ps2 was the weakest of all)

DS vs. PSP

 

decrot

 im pretty sure the ps2 won last generation but the rest i would agree with...if the games not fun graphics cant save it.

I'd choose an Atari game with good gameplay over a game with very bad gameplay and amazing graphics any day :|

NWA_31

Would you choose an ugly woman with a great personality too? 

I find it funny when people say "If graphics didnt matter, we would still be playing *insert old-school console*"...

I'd choose an Atari game with good gameplay over a game with very bad gameplay and amazing graphics any day :|

NWA_31

The VC proves this point, people are really up for all these old games and having a great time playing them. I am still happy to play old consoles and the classic games that I love,

Well it's not all about graphics ofc, a console needs to have fun games to be successfull. But sadly Wii doesn't have any of those things yet. Just because graphics isn't everything they shouldn't ignored, most Wii games look even worse than the avarage GC game. I was really possitive towards Wii when it was released (I even bought one) but I gotta say it's a big dissappointment, the motion sensing controlls doesn't help gaming it makes it worse, only game who uses them correctly is The Godfather.ikwal

Man if you think like that about the Wii, then I guess it's not for you. AND YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID. 

[QUOTE="NWA_31"]

I'd choose an Atari game with good gameplay over a game with very bad gameplay and amazing graphics any day :|

kwahhn

Would you choose an ugly woman with a great personality too? 

[QUOTE="NWA_31"]

I'd choose an Atari game with good gameplay over a game with very bad gameplay and amazing graphics any day :|

kwahhn

Would you choose an ugly woman with a great personality too?

ROFLLMAO! 

[QUOTE="theICE_MAN"][QUOTE="decrot"]

Ive seen alot of people argue about the importances of graphics, most notably the wiis weak graphics. dont people realize that the console with the best graphics haven't won a generation in years.

for example

playstation vs. n64

xbox vs ps2 vs gc (ps2 was the weakest of all)

DS vs. PSP

 

natebayne

Um... no?

um yeah? 

Dont forget sega saturn ^^ it was in that gen too >_> 

[QUOTE="kwahhn"][QUOTE="NWA_31"]

I'd choose an Atari game with good gameplay over a game with very bad gameplay and amazing graphics any day :|

Duckman5

Would you choose an ugly woman with a great personality too?

Don't forget the accessories. 

[QUOTE="natebayne"][QUOTE="theICE_MAN"][QUOTE="decrot"]

Ive seen alot of people argue about the importances of graphics, most notably the wiis weak graphics. dont people realize that the console with the best graphics haven't won a generation in years.

for example

playstation vs. n64

xbox vs ps2 vs gc (ps2 was the weakest of all)

DS vs. PSP

 

STABW0UND

Um... no?

um yeah? 

Dont forget sega saturn ^^ it was in that gen too >_> 

[QUOTE="Duckman5"][QUOTE="kwahhn"][QUOTE="NWA_31"]

I'd choose an Atari game with good gameplay over a game with very bad gameplay and amazing graphics any day :|

kwahhn

Would you choose an ugly woman with a great personality too?

Don't forget the accessories. 

[QUOTE="STABW0UND"][QUOTE="natebayne"][QUOTE="theICE_MAN"][QUOTE="decrot"]

Ive seen alot of people argue about the importances of graphics, most notably the wiis weak graphics. dont people realize that the console with the best graphics haven't won a generation in years.

for example

playstation vs. n64

xbox vs ps2 vs gc (ps2 was the weakest of all)

DS vs. PSP

 

Duckman5

Um... no?

um yeah?

Dont forget sega saturn ^^ it was in that gen too >_>

:lol: the ps1 had more video ram and WAY more polygons/sec then the n64 (almost 3x more) 

[QUOTE="NWA_31"]

I'd choose an Atari game with good gameplay over a game with very bad gameplay and amazing graphics any day :|

kwahhn

Would you choose an ugly woman with a great personality too? 

You obviously don't know a thing about women to be comparing them with video games :|

[QUOTE="Duckman5"][QUOTE="STABW0UND"][QUOTE="natebayne"][QUOTE="theICE_MAN"][QUOTE="decrot"]

Ive seen alot of people argue about the importances of graphics, most notably the wiis weak graphics. dont people realize that the console with the best graphics haven't won a generation in years.

for example

playstation vs. n64

xbox vs ps2 vs gc (ps2 was the weakest of all)

DS vs. PSP

 

STABW0UND

Um... no?

um yeah?

Dont forget sega saturn ^^ it was in that gen too >_>

:lol: the ps1 had more video ram and WAY more polygons/sec then the n64 (almost 3x more) 

IF you think about the PS3 and 360, they try to improve on what was already strong about the older systems. More memory, more power etc. They are built to run better version of the same kinds of games that were out on the old systems. As such they are kind of fighting over the same market of gamers that the last gen consoles depended on. The Wii is intended to appeal to a much larger customer base. They built the system for non-gamers, almost more so than for established gamers. So far nintendo has probably sold more wiis to people that previously had no console than xbox/PS3 will in this generation. so Graphics really isn't the selling point for the wii, and it is selling.

also i believe the graphics will improve and some creative new looks will come out. NiGHTS could look really nice. The wii is a very different idea than existing systems so it's going to take a bit for developers to figure out how to use it to its potential.

Has any one stopped tp think that after nintendo has captured a larger customer base it would not be that difficulte to make a system with upgraded grapics. They took a chance on a reveloutionary idea. If it had failed they would have lost less money with the wii as it is than if they went all the way and and did upgraded grapics to. And I am sure people would upgrade their system to a new one if they made one.Taelene

Agreed.

Can't wait for the next gen Nintendo - Wiiva la Revolucione

[QUOTE="STABW0UND"][QUOTE="Duckman5"][QUOTE="STABW0UND"][QUOTE="natebayne"][QUOTE="theICE_MAN"][QUOTE="decrot"]

Ive seen alot of people argue about the importances of graphics, most notably the wiis weak graphics. dont people realize that the console with the best graphics haven't won a generation in years.

for example

playstation vs. n64

xbox vs ps2 vs gc (ps2 was the weakest of all)

DS vs. PSP

 

Duckman5

Um... no?

um yeah?

Dont forget sega saturn ^^ it was in that gen too >_>

:lol: the ps1 had more video ram and WAY more polygons/sec then the n64 (almost 3x more)

he said the ps1 was more powerful than the n64 also and you both disgreed.

[QUOTE="Duckman5"][QUOTE="STABW0UND"][QUOTE="Duckman5"][QUOTE="STABW0UND"][QUOTE="natebayne"][QUOTE="theICE_MAN"][QUOTE="decrot"]

Ive seen alot of people argue about the importances of graphics, most notably the wiis weak graphics. dont people realize that the console with the best graphics haven't won a generation in years.

for example

playstation vs. n64

xbox vs ps2 vs gc (ps2 was the weakest of all)

DS vs. PSP

 

STABW0UND

Um... no?

um yeah?

Dont forget sega saturn ^^ it was in that gen too >_>

:lol: the ps1 had more video ram and WAY more polygons/sec then the n64 (almost 3x more)

he said the ps1 was more powerful than the n64 also and you both disgreed.

More polygons on paper didn't help playstation uno to have fancier looking games than N64 AT ALL! Same with Ps2 vs. GC (allthough this round was more even).

 At the times of the Snes and Megadrive(Genesis) there was some talk of Segas cosole being able to produce prettier graphics because it had 7,67 MHz processor and Snes only 3,58 MHz, while those who cast their eyes on telly, istead of paper, saw clearly which was the case.

[QUOTE="Duckman5"][QUOTE="STABW0UND"][QUOTE="natebayne"][QUOTE="theICE_MAN"][QUOTE="decrot"]

Ive seen alot of people argue about the importances of graphics, most notably the wiis weak graphics. dont people realize that the console with the best graphics haven't won a generation in years.

for example

playstation vs. n64

xbox vs ps2 vs gc (ps2 was the weakest of all)

DS vs. PSP

 

STABW0UND

Um... no?

um yeah?

Dont forget sega saturn ^^ it was in that gen too >_>

:lol: the ps1 had more video ram and WAY more polygons/sec then the n64 (almost 3x more)

The N64 was significantly more powerful than the PS1 under the hood, the only thing the PS1 had over it was a larger media capacity. PS1 still came up a better console anyway.

to many I have seen some great graphics on the Wii, take alook at the lighting on Wii Sports, when playing Golf or Tennis, the Trees and water, look really nice, so the Wii can keep up with the other but at a lower rate, still great graphics

i concede that graphics do matter to a certain extent, but now i think graphics are just oversaturated. they have made big leaps in past generations in graphics. for example, from the snes/genesis to n64/saturn/ps1 was the inclusion of 3d graphics, which i though was the last big significant leap in graphics. the following generation with xbox/ps2/gb polished off the 3d graphics. and now a jump to high def isnt very significant to me,

but hey, im still enjoying mario kart 64, i still think that its the best multiplayer around 

Graphics are kinda the point of new consoles. if they didnt matter we would still be playing atari.STABW0UND

PSP vs. DS is still the best example for why gameplay wins over graphics. I own both a Wii and an Xbox 360.  I love both consoles, but yet I still prefer the Wii. I wonder why.....Oh yeah, because it's something new! Change is exactly what this industry needs at this point in time. If they only care about graphics and focus all their attention on that aspect of gaming, where do you think they'll be when games can't look any better? They'll be looking at the only company trying new innovative ideas, Nintendo.

i concede that graphics do matter to a certain extent, but now i think graphics are just oversaturated. they have made big leaps in past generations in graphics. for example, from the snes/genesis to n64/saturn/ps1 was the inclusion of 3d graphics, which i though was the last big significant leap in graphics. the following generation with xbox/ps2/gb polished off the 3d graphics. and now a jump to high def isnt very significant to me,

but hey, im still enjoying mario kart 64, i still think that its the best multiplayer around

decrot

But its not just high-def, thats just support for higher resolutions if you have the right TV. On the face of the games the difference between 360/PS3 and last-gen results is like that between Gamecube and N64, there's a long way for 3D to go yet.