Where the hell is a Wii RTS?

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#1 goblaa
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Seriously! Why are there ZERO traditional RTS games on the wii? You couldn't find a better control set-up than the wiimote/nunchuck. What the hell is wrong with third parties?

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#2 raahsnavj
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What do you mean by traditional RTS? Star Craft or Command and Conquer? There are at least two worth buying right now. Little king story, and Pikmin (sure a GC game, but still fun). Of course that probably isn't 'traditional' though...
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#3 alphamale1989
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With you all the way. I would love a Comand and Conquer. Even something like a port of Red Alert 2.
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#4 darth-pyschosis
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Ask Nintendo to localise Tact of Magic, i want it badly

or you can try Defendin' De Penguin

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#5 goblaa
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What do you mean by traditional RTS? Star Craft or Command and Conquer? There are at least two worth buying right now. Little king story, and Pikmin (sure a GC game, but still fun). Of course that probably isn't 'traditional' though...raahsnavj

Yes, like starcraft or CandC. I liked pikmin and LKS, but they're not quite the same.

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#6 lil_speedy_rvd
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you should try Dawn of discovery. Very "kiddie" looking but it isnt as easy as it seems. very good RTS for the wii.

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#7 Optusnet
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Closest thing out is Pikmin and Overlord....

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#8 OreoMilkshake
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Swords and Soldiers.

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#9 LegatoSkyheart
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Actually I agree.Where is Command and Conquer for Wii? I've heard that Black & White was supposed to be on Wii.
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#10 bob_newman
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Never heard of Dawn of Discovery, huh?

That's ok, lots of people haven't.

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#11 locopatho
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Never heard of Dawn of Discovery, huh?

That's ok, lots of people haven't.

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That's more of a city builder though. There's no real action based RTS games. It's a real shame.
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#12 thedude-
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="bob_newman"]

Never heard of Dawn of Discovery, huh?

That's ok, lots of people haven't.

That's more of a city builder though. There's no real action based RTS games. It's a real shame.

But that is the Nintendo fan defense. Whenever someone mentions an appearant genre gap in Nintendo's lineup, fans will mention examples that do not match up at all. Like whenever someone asks wheres the AAA FPS on Wii, you always see people mentioning Metroid Prime 3.
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#13 haorichard1994
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Battalion Wars II.

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#14 LegatoSkyheart
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Where's Advance Wars Wii?

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#15 bob_newman
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[QUOTE="thedude-"][QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="bob_newman"]

Never heard of Dawn of Discovery, huh?

That's ok, lots of people haven't.

That's more of a city builder though. There's no real action based RTS games. It's a real shame.

But that is the Nintendo fan defense. Whenever someone mentions an appearant genre gap in Nintendo's lineup, fans will mention examples that do not match up at all. Like whenever someone asks wheres the AAA FPS on Wii, you always see people mentioning Metroid Prime 3.

Umm...have either of you played the game? While not a pure RTS, there is indeed fighting of troops. It's no Civ, but that doesn't mean it's not classified as an RTS.
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[QUOTE="thedude-"][QUOTE="locopatho"] That's more of a city builder though. There's no real action based RTS games. It's a real shame.bob_newman
But that is the Nintendo fan defense. Whenever someone mentions an appearant genre gap in Nintendo's lineup, fans will mention examples that do not match up at all. Like whenever someone asks wheres the AAA FPS on Wii, you always see people mentioning Metroid Prime 3.

Umm...have either of you played the game? While not a pure RTS, there is indeed fighting of troops. It's no Civ, but that doesn't mean it's not classified as an RTS.

I have Dawn of Discovery. The main focus of the game is city building, not building armies and taking over the world like many of us would like to do. To me, Dawn of Discovery doesn't cut it and LKS isn't even a strategy game. The fighting mechanics in Dawn of Discover are poor at best. Have you ever played a real PC RTS?
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#17 bob_newman
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[QUOTE="psychobrew"] Have you ever played a real PC RTS?

Yes. I'm just saying that the game is technically an RTS...so what's the problem here?
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[QUOTE="psychobrew"] Have you ever played a real PC RTS?bob_newman
Yes. I'm just saying that the game is technically an RTS...so what's the problem here?

It's a different kind of RTS than what most people asking for RTSs are looking for. If you're in to city building, it's a fine game.
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[QUOTE="bob_newman"][QUOTE="thedude-"] But that is the Nintendo fan defense. Whenever someone mentions an appearant genre gap in Nintendo's lineup, fans will mention examples that do not match up at all. Like whenever someone asks wheres the AAA FPS on Wii, you always see people mentioning Metroid Prime 3. psychobrew
Umm...have either of you played the game? While not a pure RTS, there is indeed fighting of troops. It's no Civ, but that doesn't mean it's not classified as an RTS.

I have Dawn of Discovery. The main focus of the game is city building, not building armies and taking over the world like many of us would like to do. To me, Dawn of Discovery doesn't cut it and LKS isn't even a strategy game. The fighting mechanics in Dawn of Discover are poor at best. Have you ever played a real PC RTS?

Shhhhhhhhh. You think The Conduit is the best Wii game. And Little King's Story IS a strategy game if you manage to play it for more than a couple hours... I'd keep your opinions to yourself.
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[QUOTE="psychobrew"][QUOTE="bob_newman"] Umm...have either of you played the game? While not a pure RTS, there is indeed fighting of troops. It's no Civ, but that doesn't mean it's not classified as an RTS.DeeDeeDee-er
I have Dawn of Discovery. The main focus of the game is city building, not building armies and taking over the world like many of us would like to do. To me, Dawn of Discovery doesn't cut it and LKS isn't even a strategy game. The fighting mechanics in Dawn of Discover are poor at best. Have you ever played a real PC RTS?

Shhhhhhhhh. You think The Conduit is the best Wii game. And Little King's Story IS a strategy game if you manage to play it for more than a couple hours... I'd keep your opinions to yourself.

When did I say The Conduit was the best Wii game? I like it. I think it's fun. But I never said it's the best game on the Wii (unless I was being sarcastic or trying to get under someone's skin that thought it was a terrible game). I really don't have a favorite game. But I do know that there are very little strategy elements in LKS. Opposing kingdoms never initiate attacks. You are limited to the size you can build your army. The game holds your hand throughout. The controls are clunky. You have no say as to where you put your buildings and you can never advance them. It's a story, and stories follow a script. There's really no strategy in a game that follows a script.

For the record, I do think LKS was a quality production, but it's just not a strategy game (or an RPG).

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[QUOTE="DeeDeeDee-er"][QUOTE="psychobrew"] I have Dawn of Discovery. The main focus of the game is city building, not building armies and taking over the world like many of us would like to do. To me, Dawn of Discovery doesn't cut it and LKS isn't even a strategy game. The fighting mechanics in Dawn of Discover are poor at best. Have you ever played a real PC RTS?psychobrew

Shhhhhhhhh. You think The Conduit is the best Wii game. And Little King's Story IS a strategy game if you manage to play it for more than a couple hours... I'd keep your opinions to yourself.

When did I say The Conduit was the best Wii game? I like it. I think it's fun. But I never said it's the best game on the Wii (unless I was being sarcastic or trying to get under someone's skin that thought it was a terrible game). I really don't have a favorite game. But I do know that there are very little strategy elements in LKS. Opposing kingdoms never initiate attacks. You are limited to the size you can build your army. The game holds your hand throughout. The controls are clunky. You have no say as to where you put your buildings and you can never advance them. It's a story, and stories follow a script. There's really no strategy in a game that follows a script.

For the record, I do think LKS was a quality production, but it's just not a strategy game (or an RPG).

What is it, then? LKS, Battilon Wars and Swords and Soilders should keep you busy, but I agree that it's a genere the Wii is lacking in.
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#22 DeeDeeDee-er
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[QUOTE="psychobrew"]

[QUOTE="DeeDeeDee-er"] Shhhhhhhhh. You think The Conduit is the best Wii game. And Little King's Story IS a strategy game if you manage to play it for more than a couple hours... I'd keep your opinions to yourself. IppoTenma

When did I say The Conduit was the best Wii game? I like it. I think it's fun. But I never said it's the best game on the Wii (unless I was being sarcastic or trying to get under someone's skin that thought it was a terrible game). I really don't have a favorite game. But I do know that there are very little strategy elements in LKS. Opposing kingdoms never initiate attacks. You are limited to the size you can build your army. The game holds your hand throughout. The controls are clunky. You have no say as to where you put your buildings and you can never advance them. It's a story, and stories follow a script. There's really no strategy in a game that follows a script.

For the record, I do think LKS was a quality production, but it's just not a strategy game (or an RPG).

What is it, then? LKS, Battilon Wars and Swords and Soilders should keep you busy, but I agree that it's a genere the Wii is lacking in.

I know, I fail to see why it's not a strategy game. Countless times I'd go up against bosses only to realize I had the wrong legions of troops accompanying me, and I'd have to reset, think about who to put in my party, and if the boss proved particularly hard I'd have to go off, raise money to train more troops of a certain type, or to get a health upgrade or class upgrade to speed things up. When fighting bosses I had to figure out their attack patterns and telegraphs then come up with a STRATEGY for when to attack/build/dig/etc. to defeat the boss, and a whole other STRATEGY for how to defend/dodge their attacks. I'll give you this psycho_brew the stuff in between fighting kings was more an adventure game with RPG elements in the upgrading and items, just because of the sheer size of the LKS world. There was a lot of combat where I'd just throw troops at the enemy, but if they proved to be a match for me or took out a few troops I'd retreat and develop a strategy before fighting. I'd treat them like a mini boss. Still there was a ton of adventuring, largely just a beautiful, massive world filled with enemies, like Hyrule Field from Zelda x1,000 with a lot more variety and color, and you travel with up to 30-odd people. However, when you got to the kingdom's respective king, it became pure strategy. The final boss is a perfect example of this, if you didn't strategize and figure out their weaknesses and when you could actually attack, you didn't have a hope. I gotta say though, psycho_brew, I love your sig :lol:.
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swords and solders its so great its been getting ton of great reviews even called the best rts on any console ever
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I don't think the demographic for a Wii RTS game is there. It would be safer just for developers to make them for PC's. Personally, I would buy Starcraft/Starcraft 2 for the Wii if they were available.

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I don't think the demographic for a Wii RTS game is there. It would be safer just for developers to make them for PC's. Personally, I would buy Starcraft/Starcraft 2 for the Wii if they were available.

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I think it is more of the perception of the market than the actual market themselves. There are more than enough hardcore Wii gamers who will probably get anything good. Unfortunately, good can be hard to find.
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#26 intro94
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i think there is a demographic, because the reception of Swords and soldiers /a limited 2d RTS, but at least, true RTS at heart, was decent. Unfortunately no developer has taken up the task and theres no true traditional RTS on the system years after launch, although some almost similar side genres are there as LKS and Pikmin from gamecube or the very dumbed down BW 2.But nothing to satisfy the competitive RTS gamer just yet.
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#27 FFCYAN
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i think there is a demographic, because the reception of Swords and soldiersintro94
By reception you mean the thoughts of people on this board? That would hardly be considered a REAL reception. All the talk of The Conduit here, and it didn't even sell that well or get any major coverage(except on IGN). Let's face facts, a small group of people wanting a RTS for the Wii is not a profitable demographic. There has been no game in the Wii's lifespan that suggests a real time strategy game would do well sales wise on the Wii.

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[QUOTE="thedude-"][QUOTE="locopatho"] That's more of a city builder though. There's no real action based RTS games. It's a real shame.bob_newman
But that is the Nintendo fan defense. Whenever someone mentions an appearant genre gap in Nintendo's lineup, fans will mention examples that do not match up at all. Like whenever someone asks wheres the AAA FPS on Wii, you always see people mentioning Metroid Prime 3.

Umm...have either of you played the game? While not a pure RTS, there is indeed fighting of troops. It's no Civ, but that doesn't mean it's not classified as an RTS.

Yes I have it and love it. But it's not really an RTS game. There's one type of soldier, and the only fighting is clicking the number that represents my troops, then clicking the number that represents my enemy. It's a single menu option, that's clearly not what people mean when they say they want an action packed RTS.
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#29 locopatho
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I don't think the demographic for a Wii RTS game is there. It would be safer just for developers to make them for PC's. Personally, I would buy Starcraft/Starcraft 2 for the Wii if they were available.

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You know that's a great point. Why don't they port the original Starcraft over to Wii? It'd surely be dirt cheap and easy as hell to do, and it might just generate a bit of "hardcore" buzz for the Wii. Maybe inspire some original RTS games as well. O well, it'll never happen :(
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#30 bob_newman
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I think it is more of the perception of the market than the actual market themselves. There are more than enough hardcore Wii gamers who will probably get anything good. Unfortunately, good can be hard to find.HOMIE_G64

See, there's the problem. Most "hardcore" Wii owners ignore the fact that there are dozens of "good" games. Obviously they're not going to look as good as games on other consoles, but that doesn't mean they're not good games.

What's your definition of "good"? Is it "AAA games"? Because if it is, anyone with any sense knows that reviews are a load of crap.

Just because a game gets AAA does not automatically mean that you're going to like it, and the same could be said on the other side of the argument. Just because a game gets a 7.5 or whatever, that doesn't mean you won't enjoy it, and it certainly doesn't make it a bad game.

There are plenty of "good" games on the Wii...maybe you're not being open-minded enough about it?

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#31 izayoi
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Where's Advance Wars Wii?

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I'm actually waiting for a Advance Wars Wii, it can work out so well. Unlike Battalion Wars.
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#32 goblaa
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[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

Where's Advance Wars Wii?

izayoi

I'm actually waiting for a Advance Wars Wii, it can work out so well. Unlike Battalion Wars.

Yeah, BWii kinda sucked.

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#33 psychobrew
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Military Madness is comming to Wiiware

http://wii.ign.com/articles/966/966335p1.html

There's also Star Trek Conquest (turn based and the reviews have not been that great, but can be had for $10 or so).

We were going to get Sid Meier's Civilization Revolution, but theWii version was cancelled :cry:

Romance of The Three Kingdoms XI might still be comming out.

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Available:

  • Dawn of Discovery (80ish scores exclusive)
  • Little King's Story (90ish scores exclusive)
  • Swords & Soldiers (80ish scores exclusive)
  • NPC: Pikmin 2 (80ish scores)
  • Batallion Wars 2 (70ish scores exclusive)

Upcoming:

  • Military Madness Nectaris
  • Pikmin 3
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Available:

  • Dawn of Discovery (80ish scores exclusive)
  • Little King's Story (90ish scores exclusive)
  • Swords & Soldiers (80ish scores exclusive)
  • NPC: Pikmin 2 (80ish scores)
  • Batallion Wars 2 (70ish scores exclusive)

Upcoming:

  • Military Madness Nectaris
  • Pikmin 3

Lothenon

Out of all of those Battalion Wars 2 and LKS are the only ones that really count. Pikmin 3 and MMN are upcoming games, heres hoping they are good. Pikmin 2 is a GC game, it does not count.

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Actually I agree.Where is Command and Conquer for Wii? I've heard that Black & White was supposed to be on Wii. LegatoSkyheart
Black & White would never be on the Wii it is made by Lionhead Studios and Microsoft owns them. Command and Conquer would work. They were suppose to have Civilization on the Wii (That was TBS but it was Cancelled)

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[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]Actually I agree.Where is Command and Conquer for Wii? I've heard that Black & White was supposed to be on Wii. Nintendo_Ownes7

Black & White would never be on the Wii it is made by Lionhead Studios and Microsoft owns them. Command and Conquer would work. They were suppose to have Civilization on the Wii (That was TBS but it was Cancelled)

The best RTS we could possibly get on Wii are hybrids because RTS are too technologically taxing for something like Command and Conquer.
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Strategy games: Batallion Wars 2 is a good one. Swords and Soldiers is even better. I see Little King's Story as more of a simulation game than a strategy game.
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[QUOTE="Lothenon"]

Available:

  • Dawn of Discovery (80ish scores exclusive)
  • Little King's Story (90ish scores exclusive)
  • Swords & Soldiers (80ish scores exclusive)
  • NPC: Pikmin 2 (80ish scores)
  • Batallion Wars 2 (70ish scores exclusive)

Upcoming:

  • Military Madness Nectaris
  • Pikmin 3

thedude-

Out of all of those Battalion Wars 2 and LKS are the only ones that really count. Pikmin 3 and MMN are upcoming games, heres hoping they are good. Pikmin 2 is a GC game, it does not count.

The OP specifically mentions the Wii controls in regards to RTS. They re-released Pikmin2 in order to take advantage of the controls. It definatly belongs into this thread, especially if the TC has not played it yet. Please explain why the rest don't belong here; I am especially interested in your opinion about Dawn of Discovery and whether you've played it.
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#40 goblaa
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Available:

  • Dawn of Discovery (80ish scores exclusive)
  • Little King's Story (90ish scores exclusive)
  • Swords & Soldiers (80ish scores exclusive)
  • NPC: Pikmin 2 (80ish scores)
  • Batallion Wars 2 (70ish scores exclusive)

Upcoming:

  • Military Madness Nectaris
  • Pikmin 3

Lothenon

As mentioned by others in this thread, those are all great games. But I meant a traditional RTS like starcraft or warcraft.

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[QUOTE="Lothenon"][QUOTE="thedude-"]

[QUOTE="Lothenon"]

Available:

  • Dawn of Discovery (80ish scores exclusive)
  • Little King's Story (90ish scores exclusive)
  • Swords & Soldiers (80ish scores exclusive)
  • NPC: Pikmin 2 (80ish scores)
  • Batallion Wars 2 (70ish scores exclusive)

Upcoming:

  • Military Madness Nectaris
  • Pikmin 3

Out of all of those Battalion Wars 2 and LKS are the only ones that really count. Pikmin 3 and MMN are upcoming games, heres hoping they are good. Pikmin 2 is a GC game, it does not count.

The OP specifically mentions the Wii controls in regards to RTS. They re-released Pikmin2 in order to take advantage of the controls. It definatly belongs into this thread, especially if the TC has not played it yet. Please explain why the rest don't belong here; I am especially interested in your opinion about Dawn of Discovery and whether you've played it.

It does not matter. As far as filling a "need" or a gap in a library, you cannot do that with a port. Call me unequal opportunity, but I just do not think it is relevant or as meaningful as a newly released game esp since this is all being compared to other consoles as well (because the other consoles have good and new RTS on their system). If this is just a personal venture for the TC then I am sorry I did not realise. I was speaking about the overal nature of the matter. Dawn of Discovery as already mentioned by others is a strategy game but not a "build your army, gather resources and destroy other army" RTS. Yes I have played it alot and plan on getting it. Also NO just because I do not own it does not mean I am not thoroughly aware of the franchise and this game.