Why Not Resident Evil 5?

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#1 DrSalvador4
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WAIT! Before you tell me "Buy a 360" or "The Wii can't handle those graphics". Let me explain...

The Resident Evil gameplay has already been proved with Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition. In case you haven't played it, it's the version with THE best controls. So, why not just realese THE SAME 360/PS3 GAME but with weaker graphics (The Wii's potential hasn't been fully exploted, just look at Super Mario Galaxy, awesome graphics)and the controller?? (which has already been proved, IT WORKS GREAT)

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#2 rcignoni
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The Wii STILL can't process the AI of the enemies AND all the action going on at the screen at one time.

AI would be dumbed down too much, and we'd have a crappy framerate.

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#3 cadester12
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Well, Nintendo has definitely proved they can make a relatively low-power system have great visuals. Now, if the Gamecube can handle RE4 with no issues...the Wii, having more power overall, should be able to handle increased data loads correct? Surely the game would have to be downgraded for the Wii, but to what extent??
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#4 PlasmaBeam44
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Get a 360 and stop begging for a game on a system that can't handle it.
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#6 Notsogr8one
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The Wii STILL can't process the AI of the enemies AND all the action going on at the screen at one time.

AI would be dumbed down too much, and we'd have a crappy framerate.

rcignoni
Yeah it could. It's not like AI processing is more taxing than graphics anyway. Just reduce the graphics to the RE4 standard and it would probably be fine.
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#7 rcignoni
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[QUOTE="rcignoni"]

The Wii STILL can't process the AI of the enemies AND all the action going on at the screen at one time.

AI would be dumbed down too much, and we'd have a crappy framerate.

Notsogr8one
Yeah it could. It's not like AI processing is more taxing than graphics anyway. Just reduce the graphics to the RE4 standard and it would probably be fine.

AI is taxing when your view is filled with 20 genius enemies, and the Wii can't handle that. Same for the AI of the citizens in Assassin's Creed.
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#8 gigaman299
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That's right, remodel everything, change up some of the animations, maybe do what the Splinter Cells do.... yeah... because the other systems couldn't take the game world to that extent. Seriously... it's not that easy to "reduce the graphics", and I remember one of the important parts of the game is the HDR (when you go outside, it's bright, and your character's eyes adjust). The Wii can't do that. I'm not saying that, saying the Wii is bad; it just doesn't have that capability. Yes, I'm taking into account games like Super Mario Galaxy.

In summary, I just don't think the Wii could do it... at least, as well as the 360 and the PS3. I just wouldn't want a dumbed down version of the game coming out on the Wii. I'd rather want a fresh, new game for the Wii.

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#9 PlasmaBeam44
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[QUOTE="PlasmaBeam44"]Get a 360 and stop begging for a game on a system that can't handle it. Rocky32189

QFT

???????

I'm just saying. I'm sick of all these people begging for all these games that are exclusive to the PS3 and 360 for their Wii's. You'd think that with all these games they want they'd already have gotten another system.

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#10 Rocky32189
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[QUOTE="Rocky32189"]

[QUOTE="PlasmaBeam44"]Get a 360 and stop begging for a game on a system that can't handle it. PlasmaBeam44

QFT

???????

I'm just saying. I'm sick of all these people begging for all these games that are exclusive to the PS3 and 360 for their Wii's. You'd think that with all these games they want they'd already have gotten another system.

Yes, and I agree 100%. QFT means "quoted for truth".

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#11 mariokart64fan
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ya well i to would want fresh games but these gaming companies are lazy as heck if they can port ps2 titles they can rework the others to ,, they need to stop being lazy timesplitters 4 is definatelly coming to wii ,,, at least free radicals got talent ,,,, yall claim ac cod4 etc is made by talented people i dont think so ,, activision ,, come on now.. not in the same league as the goldeneye makers them selfs there fore they cant handle the wiii
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#12 supernintendo
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RE5 would be a great idea but it would not be as good as the other consoles. they should just REmake 2 and 3 exclusively for Wii
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#13 Sckepptickal
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Honestly, I wouldn't worry too much. I'm sure Capcom will come out with a version for the Wii.
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#15 Sants412
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I would complain with you right now if I didn't have an Ecks Bocks.
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#16 Androu1
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Maybe be won't get RE5 (sadly),but who says that there are not gonna be EXCLUSIVE RE's coming for the Wii? RE4 WAS exclusive for the Gamecube...
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#17 raichu7
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I would LOVE to see Resident evil 5 on the Wii, but who knows if we are going to get it for the Wii or not:|
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#18 Pices
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ok , first they released re4 exclusively on the wii , then a year later they released it on the ps2 . They mite do the same for re5 on wii
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#19 mophl
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Im pretty sure they'll come up with another great Resident Evil game for the wii thought..

Just like they did for the gamecube!

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#20 fitzokoli
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That's right, remodel everything, change up some of the animations, maybe do what the Splinter Cells do.... yeah... because the other systems couldn't take the game world to that extent. Seriously... it's not that easy to "reduce the graphics", and I remember one of the important parts of the game is the HDR (when you go outside, it's bright, and your character's eyes adjust). The Wii can't do that. I'm not saying that, saying the Wii is bad; it just doesn't have that capability. Yes, I'm taking into account games like Super Mario Galaxy.

In summary, I just don't think the Wii could do it... at least, as well as the 360 and the PS3. I just wouldn't want a dumbed down version of the game coming out on the Wii. I'd rather want a fresh, new game for the Wii.

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Back inthe day companies used to port games from more powerful arcade systems to home consoles like SNES and Sega Genesis..People always used to have doubts but most of the time the games actually turned out quite well..The companies knew there was money to be made so they did all they could to make it possible, example is a game like Killer Instinct..

I dont think its a matter of it being too hard to reduce graphics, i think its more "are they willing to do it"..With work and skill its pretty much possible to some extent to port the game...If they built a specific engine for the Wii and made the game from ground up instead of reduce graphics or somethin along those lines,it should be fine..The only thing is are they willing to do all that :P

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#21 santiagochile
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Get a 360 and stop begging for a game on a system that can't handle it. PlasmaBeam44

Why would Nintendo want people to buy a 360?!?! They are the competition. Nintendo should work with these third parties to get games like RE5 on the Wii. No one who owns a Wii wants to be told to buy that junk known as the 360. This is really an absurd suggestion!

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#22 Keenzach
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[QUOTE="Rocky32189"]

[QUOTE="PlasmaBeam44"]Get a 360 and stop begging for a game on a system that can't handle it. PlasmaBeam44

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I'm just saying. I'm sick of all these people begging for all these games that are exclusive to the PS3 and 360 for their Wii's. You'd think that with all these games they want they'd already have gotten another system.

you know not everyone has enough money to own all 3 systems and just because they want re5 on wii doesnt mean theyre not nintendo fans.resident evil took off on the gamecube so why shouldnt it be on wii it would sell great re4 for wii was the best version and it still had good graphics so its not like its not possible for capcom to numb the graphcs down a little bit.

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#23 fitzokoli
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[QUOTE="PlasmaBeam44"][QUOTE="Rocky32189"]

[QUOTE="PlasmaBeam44"]Get a 360 and stop begging for a game on a system that can't handle it. Keenzach

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I'm just saying. I'm sick of all these people begging for all these games that are exclusive to the PS3 and 360 for their Wii's. You'd think that with all these games they want they'd already have gotten another system.

you know not everyone has enough money to own all 3 systems and just because they want re5 on wii doesnt mean theyre not nintendo fans.resident evil took off on the gamecube so why shouldnt it be on wii it would sell great re4 for wii was the best version and it still had good graphics so its not like its not possible for capcom to numb the graphcs down a little bit.

Exactly...It really pisses me off when people just say "buy a 360 or PS3"...Its really really easy to say that but in reality its not that easy to do...If you're like me you have to work just to pay rent so i cant just waste $349 or $399 to get a 360 or PS3...When they cost $150 people can say"buy a 360/PS3" but for now its not that esay..

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#24 Sepewrath
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The Wii STILL can't process the AI of the enemies AND all the action going on at the screen at one time.

AI would be dumbed down too much, and we'd have a crappy framerate.

rcignoni

Thats not at all true, do your forget RE4? If they did that with RE5 pasted over it, people would be happy. Its not doing anything groundbreaking that requires special hardware capabilities. There just a souped up version of RE4, plain and simple. The Wii can do it, if they made a Wii specific version using the RE4 engine. All the people that keep saying "the Wii cant do this and it cant do that", you have no idea what your talking about. The Wii cant have the game simply ported over, but a specific version can be developed for the Wii.

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#26 snowman6251
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The Wii STILL can't process the AI of the enemies AND all the action going on at the screen at one time.

AI would be dumbed down too much, and we'd have a crappy framerate.

rcignoni

now I'm not a full time programmer or anything but I did take a programming class last year so let me voice my opinion on the ai issue.

my guess is the programmers are passing the AI through each enemy using methods. Methods are bits of code that can be used over and over

example method "find cover" - if player is within 100 feet of _______ move to object type rock

now of course the AI methods are much more complicated thats just an example of the types of things they do. The ____ is the enemy. They can very easily make every enemy do the same method. "enemy1 do method "AI"" "enemy2 so method "AI""

methods save a lot of space since instead of telling every individual unit to do this this and this and if this happens do this but if this happens do that. Its every unit do this one thing

AI does not take up much space or processing power it really doesn't and I know I didn't explain it well but I've made my own games and that really shouldn't be a problem

if the problem is the AI is too hard to code with the Wii's language then the developers are idiots because all they have to do is take their xbox and ps3 code and change the phrasing

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#27 Char1es
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NO please NO!

Im tired of people like the OP demanding that games be ported to the wii. There are so many ugly and clunky ports of PS3/360 games out there I just cant bear to see another one. Especially RE5.

As has been said, go buy a 360 if you want to play it.

snowman6251 - yeah, developers who have been programming all their lives are idiots, while you, with your programming course you did last year, have a much greater grasp of how to code AI for the wii. Yeah, that makes lots of sense.

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#28 snowman6251
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NO please NO!

Im tired of people like the OP demanding that games be ported to the wii. There are so many ugly and clunky ports of PS3/360 games out there I just cant bear to see another one. Especially RE5.

As has been said, go buy a 360 if you want to play it.

snowman6251 - yeah, developers who have been programming all their lives are idiots, while you, with your programming course you did last year, have a much greater grasp of how to code AI for the wii. Yeah, that makes lots of sense.

Char1es

all I'm saying is from my experience there is no reason for the wii to not be able to handle AI. There would really have to be hundreds of high intelligence enemies on screen simultaniously to cause problems. HUNDREDS and if RE5 is anything like RE4 threre will not be hundreds of enemies on screen simultaniously. I think the most they ever had attacking you at the same time was in the villiage and there were I dunno maybe 20 - 30 at most?

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#29 Sepewrath
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Exactly people see high end graphics and act as if everything about the game is going to be so drastically upgraded. Like the above poster said, its not like the game will feature thousands of enemies on screen at once, all doing something different. Its not even like it will feature some kind of advanced squad mechanics, its just a bunch of people attacking with whatever they have in thier hand, the same as RE4. The only thing I think RE5 will add is updated graphics, maybe destructable environments, and other cosmetic changes. This game can very much be done on the Wii, they simply cant port the 360 version to the Wii.
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#30 aeropride
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it think the sell of UC and RE4 will have more of a impact on wheather the game comes to the wii rahter than the wii itself
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#31 snowman6251
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it think the sell of UC and RE4 will have more of a impact on wheather the game comes to the wii rahter than the wii itselfaeropride

if thats really the case then I think its likely because even though RE4 came out 3 times before it still sold really quite well and UC also sold very well.

and if they don't want to give us RE5 can we at least have our own RE game in that same style not the on rails shooter. I'd even take RE0, RE, or RE2 in the RE4 style for a full $50

but I personally think we will see a RE5 eventually. Lowering the graphics and if the AI REALLY is a problem (it should not be.) that too is much cheaper than making a whole new game and business is all about money so if Capcom can get more money easier why wouldn't they?

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#32 vengala31
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I don't know why ppl think that graphics are all in a game, because a game can have amazing graphics but a very crappy game-play, IMO a game isgood if the game-play is nice and simple.

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#33 haziqonfire
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If you've seen the RE5 trailer, it has a TON, A TON of enemies on screen at once. It also looks REALLY Good, a lot better than most PS3/360 games out now. Sure, the Wii could play a dumbed down version, and it would play very well with the Wiimote, but it would lose the feel and setting of the game, imo.
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#34 Sepewrath
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Dont confuse cinema scenes with actual gameplay, the actual gameplay bits showed a very RE4-esque environment, they even had many of the enemies from RE4. There werent that many on the screen, and they werent doing anything differently from RE4. Now all we have to go on is a trailer, maybe as details start to roll in we will find out about something that really requires more than theWii can give, but as of right now, the game can be on the Wii.
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#35 aeropride
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then dont buy it if it comes to the wii
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#36 kc9292
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I wouldn't expect to see RE 0,1,and 2 remade in RE4 style. But since RE1 was remade on the GC & RE2 was excluded from UC, I do believe they could be developing a RE2 remake for the Wii(hopefully in RE4 style). It's pure speculation, but it dosn't seem too unlikely. I mean, isn't RE2 most everyone's favorite? I know it's mine.

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#37 DrSalvador4
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1) In my country (Argentina), the 360 is ridicously expensive (about 3000 pesos, the monetary currency, that would be aprox. a thousand dollars), PLUS, Microsoft doens'nt have a warranty here, so if the red lights attack me. I'm screwed. So, buying a 360 is out of the question FOR ME.

2) The Wii CAN process the AI, RE4 has great AI (while not the best), so it wouldn't be so hard to improve it a little.

3)If Capcom MADE a Wii version, and it's crap. You'll die? You lose an arm? No. So what's the big deal for not wanting one??? If you don't like, don't buy it, and that's it.