Why the 3DS will Co-Exist with DSi / DSi XL

My gut feeling is that after the 3DS comes out, there will be another year or two of life in the DSi and XL when they will continue to be sold (at least the XL). There are a couple of reasons I think this:

1) 3D televisions have shown us that at this point, you have to pay a HUGE price for 3D technology. I can't imagine the 3DS being sold for less than $400. Nintendo will need to keep a lower-cost system out there for those who simply refuse to come up with that kind of money.

2) There is a significant portion of the XL market who are older gamers who enjoy not having to squint to see the screen. These are not likely to give up the large screen for gimmicky 3D. If Nintendo scraps the XL, they forfeit those customers.

3) I still refuse to believe that Nintendo is so boneheaded that they would sabotage the XL's chances for success by discontinuing it as quickly as they introduced it in favor of another handheld.

Just my thoughts.

My gut feeling is that after the 3DS comes out, there will be another year or two of life in the DSi and XL when they will continue to be sold (at least the XL). There are a couple of reasons I think this:

1) 3D televisions have shown us that at this point, you have to pay a HUGE price for 3D technology. I can't imagine the 3DS being sold for less than $400. Nintendo will need to keep a lower-cost system out there for those who simply refuse to come up with that kind of money.

2) There is a significant portion of the XL market who are older gamers who enjoy not having to squint to see the screen. These are not likely to give up the large screen for gimmicky 3D. If Nintendo scraps the XL, they forfeit those customers.

3) I still refuse to believe that Nintendo is so boneheaded that they would sabotage the XL's chances for success by discontinuing it as quickly as they introduced it in favor of another handheld.

Just my thoughts.

RichardWrite

I disagree with your first point, but the other two are definitely on-track. I can see the 3DS going for under 250 USwith good profit.

This is the same company that said DS would coexist with the Gameboy. Lol.Marfoo

[QUOTE="Marfoo"]This is the same company that said DS would coexist with the Gameboy. Lol.RichardWrite

[QUOTE="RichardWrite"][QUOTE="Marfoo"]This is the same company that said DS would coexist with the Gameboy. Lol.BrunoBRS

This is the same company that said DS would coexist with the Gameboy. Lol.Marfoo

[QUOTE="Marfoo"]This is the same company that said DS would coexist with the Gameboy. Lol.CwlHeddwyn

Well that's kind of my point....why I think that even after 3DS, the DS XL will still have another good 2 or 3 years left in it....because there are so many things that could go wrong, they can't afford to immediately shut down a proven money-maker.

On your number 1, i've already posted this in DS forums and SW

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20001013-260.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

the 3D screens will cost only $5 more than DSi XL screens

DSi XL screens cost $10-$20, 3DS Parralex (spell?) screens will cost $15-$25 each

I'm betting this unit will be $199.99

Guys, IGN and other sites (along with the guy who reported about DS2 @ GDC) are saying it won't have Tegra 2, meaning the term roughly as powerful as GameCube that nintendo said in their PDF means it probably will have even cheaper hardware, likely 400Mhz-500Mhz CPU, 150Mhz GPU, 32MB-64MB RAM, etc.

Its very likely this will be $199 or under. Infact, i'd predict a DS Lite/DSi price drop before 3DS launch in November (coz i think it will launch in november)

Why will it launch in november? Because Nintendo is unveiing it at E3, AND it will be playable on the showfloor for the PUBLIC.

That means the North American English Hardware is likely near finished. Nintendo wouldn't allow anyone to touch it, especially anyone in the public, if it wasn't almost finished.

Why this fall? Coz once nintendo starts showing in off come e3 in june, and magazines/new sites start covering it, consumers will be very wary of buying a DS Lite or DSi. so they will hold off on buying DSs until 3DS comes out, and the longer Nintendo waits to release it the more units they lose.

Why not more than $200? Face it guys nintendo wouldn't bring this to the market unless it would be extremelyprofitable, and i mean 20%-40% profit from each unit sold. They never launch a console at a loss, but they usually don't sell if for more than 30% or so of what its manufacturing costs are. Wii cost $210 to make in 2006 @ launch.

And nintendo sees $200 is the sweet spot for handhelds, the iPods sell well at $199.99 even though they offer only 8GBs. and multiple SKUs confuse consumers. the $300/$400 iPod sell considerably less than the 8GB model.

so i doubt they will push it over $200, they saw what happened to the Go.

Heck, honestly i think theres a slim chance (10%) that it could launch for $169-$179. not a big chance though

Sure, it will co-exist for a year or so

DS had a soft launch. It had a 10 year old port, and Advance Wars, Mario & Luigi were largely GBA concepts with little new DS functionality excluding Touch controls. Even Wii was the same in that Metroid Prime 3, Super Paper Mario, DK Barrell Blast start being made on Cube's (only MP3 apparently using the hardware upgrade after being moved from Cube to Wii)

Sure we'll see some DS concepts in 3DS titles for a year , then 3DS will bring out killer 3D titles, also titles reliant on the rumored Analog or small screen gap, then in 2011 fall you will see the process of people forgetting about DS/DSi begin

Just my thoughts, all because i've learned from nintendopast.

[QUOTE="Marfoo"]This is the same company that said DS would coexist with the Gameboy. Lol.RichardWrite

I bet a lot of those units were backstock so thats not a good grade

i found three GBC and 1 SNES game for sale in a blockbuster down the street from my college yesterday. Doesn't mean they're still around

But i think Nintendo actually stopped shipping GBA SPs in 2006 or 2007. So you're right AND wrong. They could've shipped some in 2007, but its incredibly likely they shipped small amounts to retailers coz well, as reggie said before GBA SP became a starter system for those not ready for DS

I stand by my prediction that Nintendo will not kill a DS with a bigger screen than the 3DS and with a built-in customer base that's probably not interested in 3D.

On your number 1, i've already posted this in DS forums and SW

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20001013-260.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

the 3D screens will cost only $5 more than DSi XL screens

DSi XL screens cost $10-$20, 3DS Parralex (spell?) screens will cost $15-$25 each

I'm betting this unit will be $199.99

Guys, IGN and other sites (along with the guy who reported about DS2 @ GDC) are saying it won't have Tegra 2, meaning the term roughly as powerful as GameCube that nintendo said in their PDF means it probably will have even cheaper hardware, likely 400Mhz-500Mhz CPU, 150Mhz GPU, 32MB-64MB RAM, etc.

Its very likely this will be $199 or under. Infact, i'd predict a DS Lite/DSi price drop before 3DS launch in November (coz i think it will launch in november)

Why will it launch in november? Because Nintendo is unveiing it at E3, AND it will be playable on the showfloor for the PUBLIC.

That means the North American English Hardware is likely near finished. Nintendo wouldn't allow anyone to touch it, especially anyone in the public, if it wasn't almost finished.

Why this fall? Coz once nintendo starts showing in off come e3 in june, and magazines/new sites start covering it, consumers will be very wary of buying a DS Lite or DSi. so they will hold off on buying DSs until 3DS comes out, and the longer Nintendo waits to release it the more units they lose.

Why not more than $200? Face it guys nintendo wouldn't bring this to the market unless it would be extremelyprofitable, and i mean 20%-40% profit from each unit sold. They never launch a console at a loss, but they usually don't sell if for more than 30% or so of what its manufacturing costs are. Wii cost $210 to make in 2006 @ launch.

And nintendo sees $200 is the sweet spot for handhelds, the iPods sell well at $199.99 even though they offer only 8GBs. and multiple SKUs confuse consumers. the $300/$400 iPod sell considerably less than the 8GB model.

so i doubt they will push it over $200, they saw what happened to the Go.

Heck, honestly i think theres a slim chance (10%) that it could launch for $169-$179. not a big chance though

Sure, it will co-exist for a year or so

DS had a soft launch. It had a 10 year old port, and Advance Wars, Mario & Luigi were largely GBA concepts with little new DS functionality excluding Touch controls. Even Wii was the same in that Metroid Prime 3, Super Paper Mario, DK Barrell Blast start being made on Cube's (only MP3 apparently using the hardware upgrade after being moved from Cube to Wii)

Sure we'll see some DS concepts in 3DS titles for a year , then 3DS will bring out killer 3D titles, also titles reliant on the rumored Analog or small screen gap, then in 2011 fall you will see the process of people forgetting about DS/DSi begin

Just my thoughts, all because i've learned from nintendopast.

darth-pyschosis

This is how rumors get started, and fyi more people will read your posts if you don't make them crazy long like this one. Here are some issues I have with your post:

How and where did you find out that the screens will only be $5 more? It won't be playable for the public, because only people in the industry are allowed in E3. It's definately not gonna be $179 because that's what the DSiXL is and if the screens cost $5 more like you say they do, then it'd be atleast $10 more then the DSi XL right!? And the PSPGo failed mostly because of the online only option to buy games and not being able to transfer games from your collection. Not because of price.

My gut feeling is that after the 3DS comes out, there will be another year or two of life in the DSi and XL when they will continue to be sold (at least the XL). There are a couple of reasons I think this:

1) 3D televisions have shown us that at this point, you have to pay a HUGE price for 3D technology. I can't imagine the 3DS being sold for less than $400. Nintendo will need to keep a lower-cost system out there for those who simply refuse to come up with that kind of money.

2) There is a significant portion of the XL market who are older gamers who enjoy not having to squint to see the screen. These are not likely to give up the large screen for gimmicky 3D. If Nintendo scraps the XL, they forfeit those customers.

3) I still refuse to believe that Nintendo is so boneheaded that they would sabotage the XL's chances for success by discontinuing it as quickly as they introduced it in favor of another handheld.

Just my thoughts.

RichardWrite

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

On your number 1, i've already posted this in DS forums and SW

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20001013-260.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

the 3D screens will cost only $5 more than DSi XL screens

DSi XL screens cost $10-$20, 3DS Parralex (spell?) screens will cost $15-$25 each

I'm betting this unit will be $199.99

Guys, IGN and other sites (along with the guy who reported about DS2 @ GDC) are saying it won't have Tegra 2, meaning the term roughly as powerful as GameCube that nintendo said in their PDF means it probably will have even cheaper hardware, likely 400Mhz-500Mhz CPU, 150Mhz GPU, 32MB-64MB RAM, etc.

Its very likely this will be $199 or under. Infact, i'd predict a DS Lite/DSi price drop before 3DS launch in November (coz i think it will launch in november)

Why will it launch in november? Because Nintendo is unveiing it at E3, AND it will be playable on the showfloor for the PUBLIC.

That means the North American English Hardware is likely near finished. Nintendo wouldn't allow anyone to touch it, especially anyone in the public, if it wasn't almost finished.

Why this fall? Coz once nintendo starts showing in off come e3 in june, and magazines/new sites start covering it, consumers will be very wary of buying a DS Lite or DSi. so they will hold off on buying DSs until 3DS comes out, and the longer Nintendo waits to release it the more units they lose.

Why not more than $200? Face it guys nintendo wouldn't bring this to the market unless it would be extremelyprofitable, and i mean 20%-40% profit from each unit sold. They never launch a console at a loss, but they usually don't sell if for more than 30% or so of what its manufacturing costs are. Wii cost $210 to make in 2006 @ launch.

And nintendo sees $200 is the sweet spot for handhelds, the iPods sell well at $199.99 even though they offer only 8GBs. and multiple SKUs confuse consumers. the $300/$400 iPod sell considerably less than the 8GB model.

so i doubt they will push it over $200, they saw what happened to the Go.

Heck, honestly i think theres a slim chance (10%) that it could launch for $169-$179. not a big chance though

Sure, it will co-exist for a year or so

DS had a soft launch. It had a 10 year old port, and Advance Wars, Mario & Luigi were largely GBA concepts with little new DS functionality excluding Touch controls. Even Wii was the same in that Metroid Prime 3, Super Paper Mario, DK Barrell Blast start being made on Cube's (only MP3 apparently using the hardware upgrade after being moved from Cube to Wii)

Sure we'll see some DS concepts in 3DS titles for a year , then 3DS will bring out killer 3D titles, also titles reliant on the rumored Analog or small screen gap, then in 2011 fall you will see the process of people forgetting about DS/DSi begin

Just my thoughts, all because i've learned from nintendopast.

ACL0V3R

This is how rumors get started, and fyi more people will read your posts if you don't make them crazy long like this one. Here are some issues I have with your post:

How and where did you find out that the screens will only be $5 more? It won't be playable for the public, because only people in the industry are allowed in E3. It's definately not gonna be $179 because that's what the DSiXL is and if the screens cost $5 more like you say they do, then it'd be atleast $10 more then the DSi XL right!? And the PSPGo failed mostly because of the online only option to buy games and not being able to transfer games from your collection. Not because of price.

Uh i provided a link to CNET for the 3D screen pricing.

And look at it this way, i did word it awkwardly. North American Public Press will get the first hands on. and the hardware will be in English. Not japanese, not any language but english.

Yea it'd be like $10 more for the SCREENS, but for all we know the DSi XL's hardware total costs could be $100 and they just sell it for $189 to make a huge profit BUT if the 3DSs total cost per unit is say, $140 each device then a $30 profit per unit is very good. Guys nintendo won't put a console out unless they can get a health return profit per unit and pricing up above $200 is not good for mobile devices historically, nintendo knows this.

If it really has GameCube tech inside of it, then thats 9 year old tech today. sure its a bit smaller, but when the Zune HDs of the world have 3.3 inch OLED screen, 16GB Flash, multi-touch screen, Wireless B/G, Tegra with 600Mhz CPU, 200Mhz GPU, 256MB RAM selling for a profit of $199.99 for MS, do you really think something with the GameCube's old 10 year old tech (which pales in comparsion to the tech inside an iPhone or Zune HD and both can be had for $200) will push the hardware's price above $200? Not likely

We're probably not getting multi-touch. It uses Stylus so theres no point. We aren't getting OLED, it'll be 3D LCD probably. Other than the 3D there really isn't much cost raising items in it, to our knowledge yet

I mean if the 3DS has exactly a 485Mhz CPU, 40MB RAM (wasn't it 40mb? or 24MB?), and a 150Mhz GPU just like the GameCube, it still won't be top of the line mobile tech. (even sony has their handheld with more RAM, slightly faster GPU than the Cube, it just lacks CPU and other stuff)

But of course these are all my guesses

the install base of the DS is over 125 million, second only to the PS2.

this console will be around for another couple of years no problem.

if the 3DS turns out to be expensive you can bet this will help prolong the lifespan of the DS.

I like the idea of the 3DS, but I'm hesitant to ever buy one. I get nauseous enough playing current games that take place in 3D environments. Playing actual 3D games would probably make me keel over.Vic-Ferrari

then it should help you to know th 3DS will have some key advantages over the nauseous 3D movies you've probably seen

Since the screen is smaller, you will probably not see as much bluriness, and to my knowledge there won't be as much red/blue popping out like when you try to watch a 3d film without glasses

i'm sure i'm missing some stuff but the 3D tech inside the 3DS (or likely to be inside it) has been praised in japense cell phones i believe, researching those phones might help you (and all of us) better understand how the 3DS may work

I just read an article that I found on Google News saying basically what I've been saying....that there is a huge chunk of XL business accounted for by middle aged and over adults who will not be interested in 3D games so much as bigger screens. And that's an important point......Until they come out with a 3DS with a screen at least as big as the XL, then the XL will have an important advantage that will cause many people to want to buy it instead of the 3DS. This is not at all the came as going from Gameboy to DS where the Gameboy really has NO advantage for a large market segment. In this case, there is distinct advantage or a large part o the market with the XL.

[QUOTE="Vic-Ferrari"]I like the idea of the 3DS, but I'm hesitant to ever buy one. I get nauseous enough playing current games that take place in 3D environments. Playing actual 3D games would probably make me keel over.darth-pyschosis

then it should help you to know th 3DS will have some key advantages over the nauseous 3D movies you've probably seen

Since the screen is smaller, you will probably not see as much bluriness, and to my knowledge there won't be as much red/blue popping out like when you try to watch a 3d film without glasses

i'm sure i'm missing some stuff but the 3D tech inside the 3DS (or likely to be inside it) has been praised in japense cell phones i believe, researching those phones might help you (and all of us) better understand how the 3DS may work

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

[QUOTE="Vic-Ferrari"]I like the idea of the 3DS, but I'm hesitant to ever buy one. I get nauseous enough playing current games that take place in 3D environments. Playing actual 3D games would probably make me keel over.Vic-Ferrari

then it should help you to know th 3DS will have some key advantages over the nauseous 3D movies you've probably seen

Since the screen is smaller, you will probably not see as much bluriness, and to my knowledge there won't be as much red/blue popping out like when you try to watch a 3d film without glasses

i'm sure i'm missing some stuff but the 3D tech inside the 3DS (or likely to be inside it) has been praised in japense cell phones i believe, researching those phones might help you (and all of us) better understand how the 3DS may work

There's health affects with everything. Some more then others, I mean the DS can cause seizeurs (sp?) if you have epilepsy or w/e. I'm sure the 3DS won't be all that different.

Wow after reading these posts about it coming this fall, i feel REALLY ripped off about buying a dsi 3 MONTHS ago.

Wow after reading these posts about it coming this fall, i feel REALLY ripped off about buying a dsi 3 MONTHS ago.

martinX3X

[QUOTE="martinX3X"]

Wow after reading these posts about it coming this fall, i feel REALLY ripped off about buying a dsi 3 MONTHS ago.

BrunoBRS

[QUOTE="martinX3X"]

Wow after reading these posts about it coming this fall, i feel REALLY ripped off about buying a dsi 3 MONTHS ago.

BrunoBRS

just because a system is still selling doesn't mean it is co exsisting. By this logic we'l have to say that the gbc also was along with the ds.

I still have my doubts that I won't get sick playing this thing. There are some people whose motion sickness is a big issue, like my daughter and I. Even if it's not technology common to the movies out, I highly doubt it won't make a stomach churning experience for some.

Not everyone is jazzed about 3D and hopefully there will still be a market for 2D handheld gaming.

I still have my doubts that I won't get sick playing this thing. There are some people whose motion sickness is a big issue, like my daughter and I. Even if it's not technology common to the movies out, I highly doubt it won't make a stomach churning experience for some.

Not everyone is jazzed about 3D and hopefully there will still be a market for 2D handheld gaming.

iggystar71

Ithink Iremember reading (although it was probably on here from a GS user so take it with a grain of salt) that there might be a way to turn the 3D off on the game and play it in normal 2D. I have no idea how that would work or whatever, but it would be interesting if they did that.

To those who feel ripped, don't be. If you're patient enough, you could just hold off on the 3DS until the second iteration comes out. I'm sure they'll be a 3DS Lite or something in a few years. When that happens, we'll have these topics all over again but tackling different handhelds.Kenny789

[QUOTE="iggystar71"]

I still have my doubts that I won't get sick playing this thing. There are some people whose motion sickness is a big issue, like my daughter and I. Even if it's not technology common to the movies out, I highly doubt it won't make a stomach churning experience for some.

Not everyone is jazzed about 3D and hopefully there will still be a market for 2D handheld gaming.

Luigi12901

Ithink Iremember reading (although it was probably on here from a GS user so take it with a grain of salt) that there might be a way to turn the 3D off on the game and play it in normal 2D. I have no idea how that would work or whatever, but it would be interesting if they did that.

I encourage all of you to go to Google News today and do a search on "SHARP 3D. " There are several places publishing a report about Sharp's 3D technology, which all of them suggest is likely to be what's used for the 3DS. ,After reading about it, I am more convinced than ever that if the 3DS comes out soon, it will supplement the DS XL rather than replacing it.....the way DS and Wii supplement each other rather than one taking the other's place. There are just too many needs that won't be met by the 3DS that are met by the XL.

The article says the technology only works on a 3 inch screen. That's a bit -smaller than the DS LITE's screen. It's almost 2 inches smaller than the XL's. They also state that to keep the 3D image, it's important that you keep the screen right at one foot from your eyes.

This is NOT another Gameboy to DS evolution, because other than price, there was no clear gaming advantage to holding onto the Gameboy rather than upgrading to a DS. Here, though if Nintendo forced a change to the 3DS by dropping support (and games) for the DS, especially the XL, they are saying "We demand that you downgrade to a screen almost 2 inches smaller....we demand that you downgrade from a machine that you can get into and move around without fear of losing the special effects." I just don' see it. I think that just as the Wii and DS are meant for two entirely different purposes and co-exist in the same home, each with its own focus, the 3DS will be a third leg that will also co-exist with them both.

One other interesting fact: If Sharp is the one producing the technology for Nintendo, this article states that Sharp will start producing their 3D panels in the next six months. I have no idea how long it takes from the the time Sharp produces the panel until a 3DS could be ready with it, but maybe someone who knows more about that could give us some insight....because this would seem to suggest that Sharp may not be ready with their 3D panels before October.

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/040210-sharp-develops-a-3d-screen.html?hpg1=bn

Given the likelihood that you can switch from 2D to 3D, it seems likely to me that there will be one cartridge slot on the 3D, which will hold standard DS cartridges.....that those game / app manufacturers who want to go the 3D route will be forced to offer both a 2D and 3D version......and thus it seems likely the 2D will continue to work on the regular DS.