Why The Need To Make All Wii Games Sound So Difficult/Hardcore?

I don't know where it happened in the Wii's lifecycle but overcompensating goes on here more often then in Vern Troyer's closet when he's wondering what set of lifts to wear.

Everything is being labeled difficult or hardcore or something for the core gamer.

What's worse is that it comes from two camps. One of the camps want nothing but shooting and guns and gore and swearing and that's what it means to deliver to the "core gamer". Considering the last title released in that category the "core gamer" only likes to play a game 4 hours to see everything it has and be done with it.

Then there's the camp that keeps on saying that the franchises made for easy pick up and play are somehow difficult. That Zelda and now even Punch Out are for the "hardcore" because of their high difficulty level.

Why can't these games be taken on their own merit?

I mean Punch Out is not a difficult game. It's a fun game in all of it's iterations but it's an easy game. Every single time the fighter is going to raise an eyebrow before he punches and that's your sign to hit him in the face (ahh, like Thanksgiving with my grandma, good times)

Why is there so much overcompensating now?

Hasn't everyone else noticed this too?

I'm pretty sure it might be due to a couple of people who don't feel secure playing the Wii.

When games like Madworld, Overkill, Zelda, and Punch Out come out, they feel they don't have to sacrifice their image to play these games.

These games feel "hardcore" or whatever to these people.

I know. I don't make much sense of it either.

I dont care much about the hardcore/casual/system wars stuff. I play games that I like. I have a Wii/PC and have no complaints. A lot people think that blood/violence and realisitc graphics is all the matters. And they miss out on a lot of good games. o well, it is their loss. Aside from that, everyone wants to think that the system they have is better then the others. When in reality, all the systems fail compared to a good gaming PC, and the Wii has a little advantage with the innovative controls, which when done correctly(and they are most of the time) you have to admit that Wiimote is better then gamepad for alot of games. But some games are played better with a game pad. Play games for entertainment, and you will see that there is plenty to offer on the Wii.da_chub

Yeah, seriously. People need to remember why they play games. Video games are a form of entertainment, just like cinema, and television. Writing off a game for not being "mature" enough is like writing of cartoons on television for not being serious enough. Looney Tunes is supposed to be absurd and funny, just like video games are supposed to be fun and entertaining. Once you get over that, the need for labeling disappears. It's called maturity. Ironically...

it comes from two camps. One of the camps want nothing but shooting and guns and gore and swearing and that's what it means to deliver to the "core gamer". Considering the last title released in that category the "core gamer" only likes to play a game 4 hours to see everything it has and be done with it.

Then there's the camp that keeps on saying that the franchises made for easy pick up and play are somehow difficult. That Zelda and now even Punch Out are for the "hardcore" because of their high difficulty level.

Why can't these games be taken on their own merit?

Jaysonguy

I don't want this to turn into another "Punch-Out isn't hard" argument because for most people, Punch-Out is a hard game. It's one of the hardest games I've ever played. Now, if you don't think it's hard, good for you. You are clearly much more skilled than I.

But I agree with you on the other stuff. I consider Mario Galaxy to be a hardcore game--I don't need a lot of brutality or swearing to be satisfied--in fact if a game has those things in it, chances are I won't buy it.

What it all comes down to is a matter of taste. Some people like really raunchy, violent games, and some just like a good challenge. And some just like to be entertained. Whatever floats your boat.

Umm, you didn't have to create another thread for this when you could of just kept it in the punch-out thread.

As far as difficulty, its all relitive. The original Punch-Out may not be difficult, but compared to most games it is. Finding games from the past 10 years to be increasingly going in the easy direction, there is nothing wrong with wanting more difficult games. I want more difficult games, and the previews imply that it is difficult. No overcompensation here.

@ Clickety I think you've missed the point of what Jayson is saying. This thread is about gamer insecurity and the overcompensation used to feel secure. We're not talking about taste and skill of individual gamers.evrdayblues

Exactly

This isn't about Madworld or Zelda or Punch Out

It's the fact that in order to be happy about a certain game people have to jam it into the hardcore/difficult/core gamer category

It's never "This is out soon" it's always "The game core gamers have been waiting for"

Wait who said Zelda was hard? Punch Out is a cake walk if you know all the opponents already but when you are fighting the last guy you are going to get beaten a few times. I do not think I am insecure for thinking these games are a certain difficulty, if I am tell me why...

@ clickety

Well, I interpreted this differently. I see where you're coming from, but I'm not sure insult and injury were the purpose of this thread.

The truth is that people hype games based on these labels, like "core", "hardcore", "mature" etc. Instead, games should be hyped based on their inherent virtues, like "unique", "fun", "intelligent", "approachable" etc.

Is that so much to ask?

@ clickety

Well, I interpreted this differently. I see where you're coming from, but I'm not sure insult and injury were the purpose of this thread.

The truth is that people hype games based on these labels, like "core", "hardcore", "mature" etc. Instead, games should be hyped based on their inherent virtues, like "unique", "fun", "intelligent", "approachable" etc.

Is that so much to ask?

@ clickety

Well, I interpreted this differently.

evrdayblues

And correctly I might add

Wait who said Zelda was hard? Punch Out is a cake walk if you know all the opponents already but when you are fighting the last guy you are going to get beaten a few times. I do not think I am insecure for thinking these games are a certain difficulty, if I am tell me why...

kardine

I play simple, slow RPG's.

To which the Wii has a few, and a lot more are about to come in.

@ clickety

Well, I interpreted this differently. I see where you're coming from, but I'm not sure insult and injury were the purpose of this thread.

The truth is that people hype games based on these labels, like "core", "hardcore", "mature" etc. Instead, games should be hyped based on their inherent virtues, like "unique", "fun", "intelligent", "approachable" etc.

Is that so much to ask?

evrdayblues

You answered your won question. The Wii is viewed by many as soft/shovelware/less than the Xbox and PS3. Most devs feel they need to express how their game goes against what the general view of the system is to appeal to the real gamer population.

I don't know where it happened in the Wii's lifecycle but overcompensating goes on here more often then in Vern Troyer's closet when he's wondering what set of lifts to wear.

Everything is being labeled difficult or hardcore or something for the core gamer.

What's worse is that it comes from two camps. One of the camps want nothing but shooting and guns and gore and swearing and that's what it means to deliver to the "core gamer". Considering the last title released in that category the "core gamer" only likes to play a game 4 hours to see everything it has and be done with it.

Then there's the camp that keeps on saying that the franchises made for easy pick up and play are somehow difficult. That Zelda and now even Punch Out are for the "hardcore" because of their high difficulty level.

Why can't these games be taken on their own merit?

I mean Punch Out is not a difficult game. It's a fun game in all of it's iterations but it's an easy game. Every single time the fighter is going to raise an eyebrow before he punches and that's your sign to hit him in the face (ahh, like Thanksgiving with my grandma, good times)

Why is there so much overcompensating now?

Hasn't everyone else noticed this too?

Jaysonguy

There is no point to this thread.

This topic has be covered multiple times for the past year.

Wait who said Zelda was hard? Punch Out is a cake walk if you know all the opponents already but when you are fighting the last guy you are going to get beaten a few times. I do not think I am insecure for thinking these games are a certain difficulty, if I am tell me why...

That why I don't even call hardcore or non-hardcore. There only those games I like and those I don't. I only care about how much fun it is to play and to a extent the graphics.

Good topic. If you like to play violent games,there is no need to brag. If you like to play non-violent games,there is no need to apologize. It doesn't matter whether a game is easy or difficult, but how much fun you have playing it.

Good topic. If you like to play violent games,there is no need to brag.Collie_Lover

Who's bragging besides the TC, who says that the games other people find hard are so easy that the people who say they're hard must be overcompensating for something they're lacking?

Good topic. If you like to play violent games,there is no need to brag. If you like to play non-violent games,there is no need to apologize. It doesn't matter whether a game is easy or difficult, but how much fun you have playing it.

Collie_Lover

Though I have to admit this isn't the usual jaysonguy thread. It seems like if there is a point to it will not get lost in a chaotic flame war like itusually does.

This topic has be covered multiple times for the past year.

snover2009

People take video games much too seriously. Seriously, they're called games. They're made to have fun, escape from reality, and give people a feeling of accomplishment when they finally take down that boss. Anyone who's afraid of having fun needs a revelation. (Unless we're talking horror games, of course.)

I'm a tad confused. Are you saying that there are too many games trying to be extremely "hardcore" like Madworld and HOTD instead of just trying to be good games? And you lost me with the difficulty and thanksgiving with grandma. Please reword.Head_of_games

I'm trying to say that the elderly are just a little too cocky these days and have to be knocked down a peg
No, oh God no that's a joke so no moderation for inciting violence against grandmas lol

I'm saying that no matter what game comes out today people are trying to say it's one of the buzz words (hardcore, core, difficult, are the most popular)

"We need more hardcore games like Mario and Zelda" because of course two of the most popular franchises for the novice gamer would be considered hardcore?

"Madworld is the hardcore the Wii needs" because the "hardcore" are very busy and can't spend many hours playing games so they love when they're really short?

Everything coming out has to be forced into these categories if you want to tall about it.

Categories that these games don't belong in

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]I'm a tad confused. Are you saying that there are too many games trying to be extremely "hardcore" like Madworld and HOTD instead of just trying to be good games? And you lost me with the difficulty and thanksgiving with grandma. Please reword.Jaysonguy

I'm trying to say that the elderly are just a little too cocky these days and have to be knocked down a peg
No, oh God no that's a joke so no moderation for inciting violence against grandmas lol

I'm saying that no matter what game comes out today people are trying to say it's one of the buzz words (hardcore, core, difficult, are the most popular)

"We need more hardcore games like Mario and Zelda" because of course two of the most popular franchises for the novice gamer would be considered hardcore?

"Madworld is the hardcore the Wii needs" because the "hardcore" are very busy and can't spend many hours playing games so they love when they're really short?

Everything coming out has to be forced into these categories if you want to tall about it.

Categories that these games don't belong in

True, but is it bad for a game to be violent?

I agree that a developer's number one concern should be making the game FUN, but it is not like wii has many "HARCORE AND VIOLENT" titles.

And as for the bit about needing more hardcore gaming titles, I definitley think that there is always room for more hardcore.

The Wii has too many 3rd party developers dumping trash on it.

Nintendo has delivered a lot with a Mario, zelda, and metroid game.

Is it bad to ask for more harrdcore titles like this, especially if it will make nintendo money?

wow, one of the very few times ever that i agree with you (unless you say something else other than your first post...)

yes, they are trying to compensate that because 1)nintendo is afraid the so called "core audience" is leaving them. i dont see this happening; and 2) third parties think they might sell to the "remaining core gamers" if they add curses and blood and everything typical of a generic 360 FPS.

although a bunch of crap comes from this result, and many games are unaffected by that, there ARE some good "hardcore" games coming. if not "hardcore", then at least "fun" (what? i dont know the meaning of fun. having fun in a game? pfft... that's for casual 7-year olds. im a hardcore gamer and i can only play FPS' with big guns and blood :roll: ). so what if zelda's not as impossible as it used to be. are you going to lie and say you didnt enjoy twilight princess? never, EVER had a laugh with wii sports?

come on >_>

PS: those last lines were not directed at your person, TC :P

you know you are maturing once you start not giving a muck what other people think about you. enough of this, i've got to boot up Bonsai Barber.

The way i see the whole hardcore casual thing is.Games like zelda mario, residents evils anything that takes alot of time and determination to complete is harcore.But when you buy games like carnival games and wii play that are full of minigames thats casual.

Iam a harcore gamer but that still doesnt mean i cant enjoy games like wii fit and wii play even more suprisingly i had fun with wii music. You have to decide for yourself if your harcore or casual but in the end it doesnt matter. As long as this mix of casual games doesnt mix in with the more hardcore ones (meaning dumbing the gameplay and difficulty down) ill be happy.

It's just elitism.