Wii after 26 months; Was Gamecube better?

Just a foreword, I am not a Wii hater. I've bought only Nintendo's systems since I became a gamer (N64, Gamecube, and Wii). I always prefer Nintendo systems over the others. I was one of the only people in the world who actually prefered the Cube over Ps2. I'm happy that the Wii is selling like crazy too. I hope the Wii sells more than the Ps2 did. That said, anyone think that in terms of game quality..the Gamecube has the Wii beat?

The Gamecube was released in Novemeber 18, 2001. 26 months later (January 2004), these games were out for the system...

1). Metroid Prime

2). Eternal Darkness

3). Star Wars Rouge Leader: Rouge Leader II

4). Wind Waker

5). Viewtiful Joe

6). Prince of Persia: Sands of Time

7). Resident Evil (Remake)

8 Pikmin

9). Super Smash Brothers Melee

10). F-Zero GX

11). Soul Calibar II

12). Animal Crossing

13). Resident Evil 0

14) Hitman 2

15) Ikaragua

16) Super Monkey Ball

There were also Mario Sunshine and Star Fox, which could be added to the list...though I personally found Mario Sunshine to be mediocre and I never played Star Fox.

Now the Wii...after 26 months (Today). The games are..

1). Mario Galaxy

2). Super Smash Brothers Melee

3). Zelda: Twilight Princess

4). Okami

5). No More Heroes

6). Super Paper Mario

7). Metroid Prime 3

8 Mario Kart Wii

9) Guitar Hero

10) Boom Blox

Now some games you can argue are Wario Ware, World of Goo, Bully, Trauma Center, and Animal Crossing.

In my opinion, the Gamecube after 26 months was better than the Wii is currently, at 26 months.

The Wii has Smash Brothers Brawl....but the Gamecube had Smash Brothers Melee.

The Wii has Twilight Princess...the Cube had Wind Waker.

the Wii has Metroid Prime 3...the Cube had Metroid Prime (Which was better)

Animal Crossing on the Wii was not as good as Animal Crossing on the Cube.

Then the Cube also had more games, like Resident Evil remake, F-zero, Viewtiful Joe, Eternal Darkness...etc

What do you think?

1. The Gamecube is one of the worst disasters ever in console history. It did so poorly that it almost ended Nintendo as a company. There is not one good thing associated with the Gamecube, it was nothing but a generation of defeat.

2. This belongs in System Wars

1. The Gamecube is one of the worst disasters ever in console history. It did so poorly that it almost ended Nintendo as a company. There is not one good thing associated with the Gamecube, it was nothing but a generation of defeat.

2. This belongs in System Wars

1. The Gamecube is one of the worst disasters ever in console history. It did so poorly that it almost ended Nintendo as a company. There is not one good thing associated with the Gamecube, it was nothing but a generation of defeat.

2. This belongs in System Wars

Jaysonguy

You are missing an utter crap load of great wii games in your list.goblaa

So why don't you state them?

1. The Gamecube is one of the worst disasters ever in console history. It did so poorly that it almost ended Nintendo as a company. There is not one good thing associated with the Gamecube, it was nothing but a generation of defeat.

2. This belongs in System Wars

Jaysonguy

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

1. The Gamecube is one of the worst disasters ever in console history. It did so poorly that it almost ended Nintendo as a company. There is not one good thing associated with the Gamecube, it was nothing but a generation of defeat.

2. This belongs in System Wars

Haziqonfire

The Gamecube almost killed them off

Yes, they made a profit but that profit wasn't very big when you figure how much they lost in the software end of things. Many areas projected to be black in the Gamecube's lifespan ended up in the red.

It was so bad that they came up with the DS and when they were ready to show it off to the world the president of Nintendo said that the DS would either save the company or be the last thing they did.

I would definitely side with the GC list. It just goes to show that good marketing and creating a lasting fad is more important than game quality.

I'd recommend a book called "Tipping Point" that delves into what makes certain things cross over from fad to cultural phenomenon.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

1. The Gamecube is one of the worst disasters ever in console history. It did so poorly that it almost ended Nintendo as a company. There is not one good thing associated with the Gamecube, it was nothing but a generation of defeat.

2. This belongs in System Wars

Jaysonguy

The Gamecube almost killed them off

Yes, they made a profit but that profit wasn't very big when you figure how much they lost in the software end of things. Many areas projected to be black in the Gamecube's lifespan ended up in the red.

It was so bad that they came up with the DS and when they were ready to show it off to the world the president of Nintendo said that the DS would either save the company or be the last thing they did.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"] How did it almost end Nintendo, they still made profit off of it since day 1 -- they also had the GBA to cover costs. As for the console, I've enjoyed the Wii more than the GC in the same amount of time.FFCYAN

The Gamecube almost killed them off

Yes, they made a profit but that profit wasn't very big when you figure how much they lost in the software end of things. Many areas projected to be black in the Gamecube's lifespan ended up in the red.

It was so bad that they came up with the DS and when they were ready to show it off to the world the president of Nintendo said that the DS would either save the company or be the last thing they did.

You'll want to research the history of Nintendo more, not only were they in trouble but because of the Gamecube they were near extinction

Here's the quote from Forbes in 2000...

"Nintendo, which Yamauchi has run for more than half a century, isn't doing all that well. With its next-generation videogame console running way behind schedule, the Kyoto, Japan-based company saw revenue drop 7.4% in fiscal 2000 to $5 billion, while earnings fell 34.8% to $528.9 million. "OTHER NAME COMPANY" which has now beaten Nintendo to the punch with both the OTHER SYSTEM and the OTHER SYSTEM 2, has grabbed 65% of the market, reducing Nintendo's once dominant presence to 32% in the process. "

Right before Nintendo released the DS Yamauchi said both......

- If the DS succeeds, we will rise to heaven, but if it fails we will sink to hell
- The next two years will decide Nintendo's fate

Knowledge is power!

More power!

Wow. I have a story. I had a gamecube. And i lvoed it. It has re4, sunshine (which i think was great) and many other great games. I sold it however (kept my games) for a wii. I liked the wii but found smash bros brawl a little lower thne what I thought (tho i still loved it) Mario galaxy was in fact awesome. However I soon got tired of not being able to paly my xbox friends. I traded the wii for a 360 and went out and bought a gamecubr with paper mario for 80$.

Best thing I ever did. The cube is fun, suepr portable and is a wonderful system. It did not nearly kill nintendo. I would say comepared to the time when it came out it may have been "better" but who can compare these thing. I am not a fan boy. (as i have ackowledged by trading my wii)

However the truth is we can't comepare which is better because eahc has its own good and bad parts (tho i still play my gamecube perhaps moreso then my xbox sometimes).

I just get annoyed when people say stupid comments. and this perhaps should have been ni system wars.

[QUOTE="FFCYAN"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

The Gamecube almost killed them off

Yes, they made a profit but that profit wasn't very big when you figure how much they lost in the software end of things. Many areas projected to be black in the Gamecube's lifespan ended up in the red.

It was so bad that they came up with the DS and when they were ready to show it off to the world the president of Nintendo said that the DS would either save the company or be the last thing they did.

Jaysonguy

You'll want to research the history of Nintendo more, not only were they in trouble but because of the Gamecube they were near extinction

Here's the quote from Forbes in 2000...

"Nintendo, which Yamauchi has run for more than half a century, isn't doing all that well. With its next-generation videogame console running way behind schedule, the Kyoto, Japan-based company saw revenue drop 7.4% in fiscal 2000 to $5 billion, while earnings fell 34.8% to $528.9 million. "OTHER NAME COMPANY" which has now beaten Nintendo to the punch with both the OTHER SYSTEM and the OTHER SYSTEM 2, has grabbed 65% of the market, reducing Nintendo's once dominant presence to 32% in the process. "

Right before Nintendo released the DS Yamauchi said both......

- If the DS succeeds, we will rise to heaven, but if it fails we will sink to hell
- The next two years will decide Nintendo's fate

Knowledge is power!

More power!

I think it depends because for all of us who did not have a cube (myself) have bought some cube games and play them on our wii. Also there are virtual counsel games so i think you have to state if we have to stick to just wii games for the wii and no past cube games and vc/wiiware games or not. If we can use past games and such then i think the wii won by far but if you cant i dont feel i have the right to decided then because i never owned a cube.

The Gamecube sure as hell had a better selection of games to choose from but I have my hopes up for the Wii this year once they announce more games.

This isn't about sales, Jason.bob_newman

It is though, it's all about sales

Like I love MLB Power Pros but I never enjoyed it as much as I wanted to because I thought it sold so poorly we'd never see another

Selling well guarantees that you'll get more then one crack at a game you want.

The Gamecube failed everyone because when they found something they liked (genre or franchise) it usually did so poorly you never saw it again.

The Wii sells and games have the chance to please customers over and over and over. One hit wonders are fine and all but they hurt the userbase.

Look at that list the thread starts with

Eternal Darkness - Ended
Viewtiful Joe - Ended
Prince of Persia - Left the console
Resident Evil - Left the console
Soul Calibur - Left the console

The Gamecube's failings made those leave. If they sold well then they would have followed up on the Gamecube or on the Wii but they didn't.

The Gamecube is the main reason companies avoid top tier titles on the Wii.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="FFCYAN"]This is utter nonsense. Nintendo was never in trouble. The GameCube was a great system. The DS did not "save" Nintendo. Jaysonguy is on shrooms. Only Mario can handle them, he's a professional.;)bob_newman

You'll want to research the history of Nintendo more, not only were they in trouble but because of the Gamecube they were near extinction

Here's the quote from Forbes in 2000...

"Nintendo, which Yamauchi has run for more than half a century, isn't doing all that well. With its next-generation videogame console running way behind schedule, the Kyoto, Japan-based company saw revenue drop 7.4% in fiscal 2000 to $5 billion, while earnings fell 34.8% to $528.9 million. "OTHER NAME COMPANY" which has now beaten Nintendo to the punch with both the OTHER SYSTEM and the OTHER SYSTEM 2, has grabbed 65% of the market, reducing Nintendo's once dominant presence to 32% in the process. "

Right before Nintendo released the DS Yamauchi said both......

- If the DS succeeds, we will rise to heaven, but if it fails we will sink to hell
- The next two years will decide Nintendo's fate

Knowledge is power!

More power!

You'll want to research the history of Nintendo more, not only were they in trouble but because of the Gamecube they were near extinction

Here's the quote from Forbes in 2000...

"Nintendo, which Yamauchi has run for more than half a century, isn't doing all that well. With its next-generation videogame console running way behind schedule, the Kyoto, Japan-based company saw revenue drop 7.4% in fiscal 2000 to $5 billion, while earnings fell 34.8% to $528.9 million. "OTHER NAME COMPANY" which has now beaten Nintendo to the punch with both the OTHER SYSTEM and the OTHER SYSTEM 2, has grabbed 65% of the market, reducing Nintendo's once dominant presence to 32% in the process. "

Right before Nintendo released the DS Yamauchi said both......

- If the DS succeeds, we will rise to heaven, but if it fails we will sink to hell
- The next two years will decide Nintendo's fate

Knowledge is power!

More power!

Jaysonguy

Quote from Forbes in November of 2000...Months before the gamecube was even released! So how exactly does any of that have to do with the gamecube?

Also, talking about the DS in such as way as Yamauchi is might mean that they put a whole lot of R&D into it. But again it doesn't really prove any connection to the success of the gamecube.

And, this thread isn't about sales. It's about quality and personal opinion. So let people have theirs!

[QUOTE="bob_newman"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

You'll want to research the history of Nintendo more, not only were they in trouble but because of the Gamecube they were near extinction

Here's the quote from Forbes in 2000...

"Nintendo, which Yamauchi has run for more than half a century, isn't doing all that well. With its next-generation videogame console running way behind schedule, the Kyoto, Japan-based company saw revenue drop 7.4% in fiscal 2000 to $5 billion, while earnings fell 34.8% to $528.9 million. "OTHER NAME COMPANY" which has now beaten Nintendo to the punch with both the OTHER SYSTEM and the OTHER SYSTEM 2, has grabbed 65% of the market, reducing Nintendo's once dominant presence to 32% in the process. "

Right before Nintendo released the DS Yamauchi said both......

- If the DS succeeds, we will rise to heaven, but if it fails we will sink to hell
- The next two years will decide Nintendo's fate

Knowledge is power!

More power!

FFCYAN

I showed where you were wrong

Accept it

[QUOTE="bob_newman"]This isn't about sales, Jason.Jaysonguy

It is though, it's all about sales

Like I love MLB Power Pros but I never enjoyed it as much as I wanted to because I thought it sold so poorly we'd never see another

Selling well guarantees that you'll get more then one crack at a game you want.

The Gamecube failed everyone because when they found something they liked (genre or franchise) it usually did so poorly you never saw it again.

The Wii sells and games have the chance to please customers over and over and over. One hit wonders are fine and all but they hurt the userbase.

Look at that list the thread starts with

Eternal Darkness - Ended
Viewtiful Joe - Ended
Prince of Persia - Left the console
Resident Evil - Left the console
Soul Calibur - Left the console

The Gamecube's failings made those leave. If they sold well then they would have followed up on the Gamecube or on the Wii but they didn't.

The Gamecube is the main reason companies avoid top tier titles on the Wii.

[QUOTE="bob_newman"]This isn't about sales, Jason.Jaysonguy

It is though, it's all about sales

Like I love MLB Power Pros but I never enjoyed it as much as I wanted to because I thought it sold so poorly we'd never see another

Selling well guarantees that you'll get more then one crack at a game you want.

The Gamecube failed everyone because when they found something they liked (genre or franchise) it usually did so poorly you never saw it again.

The Wii sells and games have the chance to please customers over and over and over. One hit wonders are fine and all but they hurt the userbase.

Look at that list the thread starts with

Eternal Darkness - Ended
Viewtiful Joe - Ended
Prince of Persia - Left the console
Resident Evil - Left the console
Soul Calibur - Left the console

The Gamecube's failings made those leave. If they sold well then they would have followed up on the Gamecube or on the Wii but they didn't.

The Gamecube is the main reason companies avoid top tier titles on the Wii.

Viewtiful Joe went multiplat with the sequel being on the highest selling system at the time.

Prince of Persia left? After 3 games which were all multiplat. Oh and not to mention that the series continued onto the Wii. Man that series really abandoned nintendo...

RE tried to milk the gamecube for everything it had. They remade 1-3 and had zero and 4 on the system. They were with it till the day the system died.

Soul Calibur only had one game out in all of the last generation. This gen, they went with graphics over gameplay.

I just fail to see what you're trying to say here.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="bob_newman"]This isn't about sales, Jason.raahsnavj

It is though, it's all about sales

Like I love MLB Power Pros but I never enjoyed it as much as I wanted to because I thought it sold so poorly we'd never see another

Selling well guarantees that you'll get more then one crack at a game you want.

The Gamecube failed everyone because when they found something they liked (genre or franchise) it usually did so poorly you never saw it again.

The Wii sells and games have the chance to please customers over and over and over. One hit wonders are fine and all but they hurt the userbase.

Look at that list the thread starts with

Eternal Darkness - Ended
Viewtiful Joe - Ended
Prince of Persia - Left the console
Resident Evil - Left the console
Soul Calibur - Left the console

The Gamecube's failings made those leave. If they sold well then they would have followed up on the Gamecube or on the Wii but they didn't.

The Gamecube is the main reason companies avoid top tier titles on the Wii.

If people were buying them they'd all have their separate studios

Heck, if they sold enough those games could be main Wii titles with lesser teams making the multiplats elsewhere

Just imagine if the Gamecube placed second last gen, not even wining it all. They'd have such a software group when it came to developers that all these Wii's in the market would be used fully by devs. They'd already have the blueprints for the Gamecube and be able to build upon it just like Nintendo has.

Alas the Gamecube dropped the ball and the devs went with it

why do you magically forget games like power bros 2007/2008, world of goo, guitar hero 3/4, rockband, zack and wiki , pro evo and deblob AA ratings are not enough?

EDIT: lego indy and starwars are AA too

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="bob_newman"]This isn't about sales, Jason.Arc2012

It is though, it's all about sales

Like I love MLB Power Pros but I never enjoyed it as much as I wanted to because I thought it sold so poorly we'd never see another

Selling well guarantees that you'll get more then one crack at a game you want.

The Gamecube failed everyone because when they found something they liked (genre or franchise) it usually did so poorly you never saw it again.

The Wii sells and games have the chance to please customers over and over and over. One hit wonders are fine and all but they hurt the userbase.

Look at that list the thread starts with

Eternal Darkness - Ended
Viewtiful Joe - Ended
Prince of Persia - Left the console
Resident Evil - Left the console
Soul Calibur - Left the console

The Gamecube's failings made those leave. If they sold well then they would have followed up on the Gamecube or on the Wii but they didn't.

The Gamecube is the main reason companies avoid top tier titles on the Wii.

Viewtiful Joe went multiplat with the sequel being on the highest selling system at the time.

Prince of Persia left? After 3 games which were all multiplat. Oh and not to mention that the series continued onto the Wii. Man that series really abandoned nintendo...

RE tried to milk the gamecube for everything it had. They remade 1-3 and had zero and 4 on the system. They were with it till the day the system died.

Soul Calibur only had one game out in all of the last generation. This gen, they went with graphics over gameplay.

I just fail to see what you're trying to say here.

Viewtiful Joe sold poorly and helped kill Clover
Prince of Persia had better sales elsewhere and cost the Wii the main title. The Prince of Persia on the Wii was a cash in, they already had the code and the game was already being made for that other portable platform.
Resident Evil was part of Capcom's deal with Nintendo and it cost them dearly, even their downgraded RE4 sold better elsewhere

[QUOTE="FFCYAN"][QUOTE="bob_newman"] This isn't about sales, Jason.Jaysonguy

I showed where you were wrong

Accept it

why do you magically forget games like power bros 2007/2008, world of goo, guitar hero 3/4, rockband, zack and wiki , pro evo and deblob AA ratings are not enough?

EDIT: lego indy and starwars are AA too

JuarN18

[QUOTE="bob_newman"]This isn't about sales, Jason.Jaysonguy

It is though, it's all about sales

Like I love MLB Power Pros but I never enjoyed it as much as I wanted to because I thought it sold so poorly we'd never see another

Selling well guarantees that you'll get more then one crack at a game you want.

The Gamecube failed everyone because when they found something they liked (genre or franchise) it usually did so poorly you never saw it again.

The Wii sells and games have the chance to please customers over and over and over. One hit wonders are fine and all but they hurt the userbase.

Look at that list the thread starts with

Eternal Darkness - Ended
Viewtiful Joe - Ended
Prince of Persia - Left the console
Resident Evil - Left the console
Soul Calibur - Left the console

The Gamecube's failings made those leave. If they sold well then they would have followed up on the Gamecube or on the Wii but they didn't.

The Gamecube is the main reason companies avoid top tier titles on the Wii.

That is some of the worst reasoning I've ever heard in my life.

You named 5 games. Ok, great. Soul Calibur is still going, so is Resident Evil and Prince of Persia. It doesn't matter what system they're on, the fact is that they're still making those games.

As for Viewtiful Joe, that game sold poorly on the other console it was on as well (which happens to be the best-selling console of all time), so it has nothing to do with the Gamecube.

Oh, and by the way, it got 2 sequels, so there goes your argument with that one.

And Eternal Darkness? You really think a better-selling console would have gotten that game more sales? Ha! Good one. That game was beyond niche, it was in a league of its own.

You say you can't enjoy an amazing game because you're unsure if there will be a sequel? That's like saying that you can't enjoy Disneyland because they're closing the place down next week.

Games are meant to be experiences on their own. If what you want is sequel after sequel, then that's great. Me? I'd rather have new ideas than just sequels of every game, thank you very much. You go and enjoy all the rehashes you want.

"The Gamecube is the main reason companies avoid top tier titles on the Wii"? Really, Jay? Really? That's really what you believe?

So it's not because...oh, I dunno...the Wii isn't powerful enough to put those titles on there? I dunno, just a thought.

And once again, this thread is not about sales, Jason. Get that through your head. This thread is about which games you enjoyed more; the Wii's offerings, or the Gamecube's.

So, can you just answer the question without talking sales? Which system had a better selection of great games? That's all he asked you to do. I'm sure you're able to answer a simple question.

why do you magically forget games like power bros 2007/2008, world of goo, guitar hero 3/4, rockband, zack and wiki , pro evo and deblob AA ratings are not enough?

EDIT: lego indy and starwars are AA too

JuarN18

Those games don't realy apeall to me. If you like them, then sure..add them to your list. But me, I can never find myself buying a game like Zack and Wiki or Lego Indy.

Plus most of them are puzzle games, which aren't too high on my preferences.

And why all this talk about sales in this thread. Unless Nintendo is going out of business, or you work for them...then why concern yourself over it? Eternal darkness sold horribly. Does that make it a bad game? No.

[QUOTE="JuarN18"]

why do you magically forget games like power bros 2007/2008, world of goo, guitar hero 3/4, rockband, zack and wiki , pro evo and deblob AA ratings are not enough?

EDIT: lego indy and starwars are AA too

redban2

Those games don't realy apeall to me. If you like them, then sure..add them to your list. But me, I can never find myself buying a game like Zack and Wiki or Lego Indy.

Plus most of them are puzzle games, which aren't too high on my preferences.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="FFCYAN"]Hiroshi was being philosophical when discussing the DS in the second story link. And the first link Nintendo apparently was in "trouble" BEFORE the GameCube came out! 34% of a multi-billion dollar industry?! OMG, Nintendo was so poor!:roll: You should have read those stories more carefully Jaysonguy. Knowledge is power!FFCYAN

I showed where you were wrong

Accept it

Again, you're not talking about anything

They lost over 700 million dollars in revenue

They lost almost 300 million dollars in earnings

So all in all they were down over a billion dollars

I'm correct and you're, not me

[QUOTE="JuarN18"]

why do you magically forget games like power bros 2007/2008, world of goo, guitar hero 3/4, rockband, zack and wiki , pro evo and deblob AA ratings are not enough?

EDIT: lego indy and starwars are AA too

redban2

Those games don't realy apeall to me. If you like them, then sure..add them to your list. But me, I can never find myself buying a game like Zack and Wiki or Lego Indy.

Plus most of them are puzzle games, which aren't too high on my preferences.

And why all this talk about sales in this thread. Unless Nintendo is going out of business, or you work for them...then why concern yourself over it? Eternal darkness sold horribly. Does that make it a bad game? No.

I thought this was about the Wii vs the GC. Not you.

[QUOTE="FFCYAN"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

I showed where you were wrong

Accept it

Jaysonguy

Again, you're not talking about anything

They lost over 700 million dollars in revenue

They lost almost 300 million dollars in earnings

So all in all they were down over a billion dollars

I'm correct and you're, not me

Two things I'd like to address here. First of all, Jaysonguy, I'm afraid you're on your own with this one. Normally, I can see where you're coming from with statements like this, but saying that the GameCube almost killed Nintendo is going overboard. In fact, the only similar thing that I've heard worse was when someone said that Wind Waker almost killed the Zelda series. As already stated, Nintendo made significant profit with the GameCube, even more highlighted by the facts that it was even doing this at a time where Microsoft and Sony were losing money AND that Nintendo's own games contributed to this gain. Calling it a failure sales-wise is about as far as you can go here, and considering that it was the only system that didn't support a lot of the features its competitors did, even that could be consider a stretch. Simply put, it would have taken a Dreamcast-like diaster for the GameCube to do as much damage to Nintendo as you're making it out to be.

Also, the case you're making about the games you mentioned is a tad inaccurate, to say the least. The fate of most of those franchises had nothing to do with how they performed on the GameCube. Heck, the Viewtiful Joe series actually did better on the GameCube than it did on the PS2, a system with five times the installed base. That series didn't do well because no one was really interested in it, period, and it pains me a bit to say that. As for Soul Calibur, the GameCube version of SCII actually did better on the GCN than any other system, and its sequel still became a PS2 exclusive. That also had nothing to do with the GameCube, as there were many looking forward to that game on the system had Namco actually decided to make the game for it. All of the Resident Evil games were successful on the GCN, and perhaps the only M-rated series that was able to generate interest from the GameCube faithful. You're also overlooking the fact that series like Sega's Sonic franchise and Namco's Tales series were treated to a level of popularity that either hadn't been there in years or from a worldwide perspective, and fans have been awarded with follow-ups in both series for the Wii. I will agree that the GameCube performance in regards to third party software may have affected their stance on the Wii from the outset, but it also didn't help that most developers didn't have enough faith in the Wii system itself to even try to create compelling software, which is seperate from the GameCube.

One last note before I end this particular issue. I noticed your inclusion of what Mr. Yamauchi said about the DS, but what you failed to mention was how big a risk the DS was all by itself. Nintendo decided to experiment in the one area it was still unrivaled with at the time, afterall, and removing the Game Boy name from its portable division could have done enough damage by itself, if the DS wasn't successful. Not to mention the fact that the PSP was also getting ready for its launch, and it could have controlled that market if the DS bombed. I'm sure Yamauchi's remarks had more to do with that and the direction Nintendo was heading than what the GameCube was able to do. So yeah, agree or not, that's my take on this.

Ok, now onto the REAL topic of this thread, the Wii is superior in my opinion. I was an avid GameCube supporter, but even I have to admit that the Wii just has more to offer right now. Nintendo's own lineup of games right now is for the most part better than the GCN's. As much as I loved Super Mario Sunshine, Metroid Prime, and Super Smash Bros. Melee, I love all of the Wii counterparts a heck of a lot more than their prequels. It's also funny that you failed to include the Wii lineup of games (including the revolutionary Wii Sports), games like Wario Land: Shake It, Animal Crossing: City Folk, WarioWare: Smooth Moves, and Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn, which proves that not only has Nintendo made better games this gen, they've actually made more games at this point. I will agree that the quality of third party games were probably better at this point for the GCN, it's still not THAT large of a gap to make up for what the Wii provides right now, especially when there are some solid third party Wii games here and there. Factor all of this, WiiWare and Virtual Console games, and the backwards compatibility with every GameCube game you mentioned and then some, it's a no-brainer for me. It just amazes me how so many elements of the system are overlooked when we talk about this $250 system, which is just $50 more than what the GCN was at launch, by the way.

The Gamecube is one of the worst disasters ever in console history. It did so poorly that it almost ended Nintendo as a company. There is not one good thing associated with the Gamecube, it was nothing but a generation of defeat.s

Jaysonguy

The most profoundly stupid thing I've heard said about the Gamecube.

Nothing good from the console that rebirthed Metriod and Resident Evil? Nothing good from the console that brought us new franchises like Viewtiful Joe, Eternal Darkness and Pikmin or sequels to old favorites like Wind Waker, F-Zero GX and Melee? Nothing good from the machine that brought Square back to Nintendo consoles and made wireless controllers a viable standard?

Surely you jest, sir?

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

The Gamecube is one of the worst disasters ever in console history. It did so poorly that it almost ended Nintendo as a company. There is not one good thing associated with the Gamecube, it was nothing but a generation of defeat.s

Master_Hermes

The most profoundly stupid thing I've heard said about the Gamecube.

Nothing good from the console that rebirthed Metriod and Resident Evil? Nothing good from the console that brought us new franchises like Viewtiful Joe, Eternal Darkness and Pikmin or sequels to old favorites like Wind Waker, F-Zero GX and Melee? Nothing good from the machine that brought Square back to Nintendo consoles and made wireless controllers a viable standard?

Surely you jest, sir?

1. The Gamecube is one of the worst disasters ever in console history. It did so poorly that it almost ended Nintendo as a company. There is not one good thing associated with the Gamecube, it was nothing but a generation of defeat.

2. This belongs in System Wars

[QUOTE="JuarN18"]

why do you magically forget games like power bros 2007/2008, world of goo, guitar hero 3/4, rockband, zack and wiki , pro evo and deblob AA ratings are not enough?

EDIT: lego indy and starwars are AA too

redban2

Those games don't realy apeall to me. If you like them, then sure..add them to your list. But me, I can never find myself buying a game like Zack and Wiki or Lego Indy.

Plus most of them are puzzle games, which aren't too high on my preferences.

And why all this talk about sales in this thread. Unless Nintendo is going out of business, or you work for them...then why concern yourself over it? Eternal darkness sold horribly. Does that make it a bad game? No.

Whats wrong with Zack and Wiki i thought that game was pretty good excpecally with how cheap it is.

The GameCube made wireless controllers cool again with the WaveBird. Before that, it was just infrared-based wireless controllers that never worked. Even Microsoft and Sony decided to make their controllers wireless for the current generation consoles. Thank you GameCube.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

1. The Gamecube is one of the worst disasters ever in console history. It did so poorly that it almost ended Nintendo as a company. There is not one good thing associated with the Gamecube, it was nothing but a generation of defeat.

2. This belongs in System Wars

bob_newman

All I have to say is this! Wii has Super Mario Galaxy and Gamecube had Super Mario Sunshine. That's enough for me to put Wii over Gamecube, even though Gamecube was my favorite console last gen, even in these short periods of time I already got more play time out of my Wii than the Gamecube.

But no, I think in Wii's life time it's gonna crap on GameCube. With the combination of everything Wii is, it just makes GameCube look crap. Come on; lets just get into asthetic right now.

.It plays GameCube games

.NES,SNES,N64, Turbo Graphics 15, Master System, Genesis, and Neo Geo by Download.

.Motion Controls

.More powerful than GameCube(Blame developers)

.Motion Controls

.Wi-Fi/Online may not be the best. But what the heck did GameCube have.

.Better 3rd Party Support so far(if you can't see it, then you are blind)

Not to mention that it has MadWorld, No More Heroes, Monster Hunter, Japanese support looks way greater. DS to Wii connectivity has way better potential.

It's just better all round.