Wii Boards! BUY CAVE STORY WHEN IT COMES OUT!

Yeah right now it's FreeWare (which means you can download for Free for the PC). BUT It's coming for the Wii via WiiWare.

You: Wait, it's FREE? Dang I'm not buying this if it's free!

True, BUT I say buy it because the PC game that you downloaded may not be the exact game you'll be getting on WiiWare.

For Example, CaveStory Wii has updated Graphics.

Just look at the main character.

The one on the left is the original while the one on the Right is the Wii Version.

just imagine the actual game!

Though I think it will be the same I think it's worth to get.

This game is too good to actually be For Free. Give the Creators some credit and buy the game the 22nd!

I know I will!

Is there any reason that you feel I should purchase the game besides the fact that it is being created for WiiWare such as gameplay, story, etc.?

Is there any reason that you feel I should purchase the game besides the fact that it is being created for WiiWare such as gameplay, story, etc.?

Sky-

The game is like Metroid and it's a very well construct indy game.

If you are one of those Wii owners that say that the Wii is collecting Dust you should probably get it.

This makes me want to buy Super Meat boy, and Max the Magic Marker. If Cave Story is 500 wii points...I may decide to amuse you and buy it :P

I intend to... but it has nothing to do with this thread being here. :P

The reason I'm getting it because I think it's looking like a quality title, and I'd rather have the game on my Wii than on the PC to begin with. In truth, I'm looking forward to a number of WiiWare titles this year, as well as trying to catch up on titles on the service that I've missed so far.

I've always heard good things about Cave Story but I havent tried the freeware version until recently. The game is pretty solid and well made for an indy title. I'm definitely getting this now. It's hard to find gems like this when there's so much "noise" in terms of advertising. Thanks for the heads up tc.

Wii boards! BUY CAVE STORY WHEN IT COMES OUT!

LegatoSkyheart

Duh.

Unfortunately you are not helping the situation. You want people to buy it, but now your telling them they can get it for free. Which do you think they're going to pick? What will make the Wii version sell is that most people don't know about the PC version. Also, mot CS vets will come back for this remastered edition. Which also has new levels. And New modes. And dlc. And...

Lost interest after they kept delaying it for a year.

I don't think so. I want more games like Tatsunoko vs Capcom.

[QUOTE="Sky-"]

Is there any reason that you feel I should purchase the game besides the fact that it is being created for WiiWare such as gameplay, story, etc.?

LegatoSkyheart

The game is like Metroid and it's a very well construct indy game.

If you are one of those Wii owners that say that the Wii is collecting Dust you should probably get it.

What he's asking (i think) is their any reason besides just graphical improvements that set the wii-ware version apart from the free one?

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="Sky-"]

Is there any reason that you feel I should purchase the game besides the fact that it is being created for WiiWare such as gameplay, story, etc.?

kenakuma

The game is like Metroid and it's a very well construct indy game.

If you are one of those Wii owners that say that the Wii is collecting Dust you should probably get it.

What he's asking (i think) is their any reason besides just graphical improvements that set the wii-ware version apart from the free one?

[QUOTE="kenakuma"]

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

The game is like Metroid and it's a very well construct indy game.

If you are one of those Wii owners that say that the Wii is collecting Dust you should probably get it.

locopatho

What he's asking (i think) is their any reason besides just graphical improvements that set the wii-ware version apart from the free one?

Lol, yeah I know, it's a stereotype thats actaully quite ridiculous and ironic given the history of nintendo and its fans!

I remember when Nintendos consoles focused on improving gameplay through graphics (yeah thats right stronger graphics can greatly improve gameplay) games like SMB 3, Zelda 1, SMW and All Stars, Yoshis island, Star fox, f zero, super mart, Metoid Prime 1 & 2, SM 64, OoT, MM ect, ect, would get a ton of hype and praise for their advanced graphics and visuals for their days.

Now a days, eh, lol.

Its sad that "graphics dont matter" has become such a war cry these days when imo its just as equally ignorant as the stereotypes that its is fighting againt :(

I am certainly getting it. WiiWare is going to receive some awesome games this month. :D

[QUOTE="locopatho"]I think there's extra levels. But it would be pretty funny if his only reason was "TEH GRAPHIX!" since Wii owners aren't supposed to care about them :Pkenakuma

Lol, yeah I know, it's a stereotype thats actaully quite ridiculous and ironic given the history of nintendo and its fans!

I remember when Nintendos consoles focused on improving gameplay through graphics (yeah thats right stronger graphics can greatly improve gameplay) games like SMB 3, Zelda 1, SMW and All Stars, Yoshis island, Star fox, f zero, super mart, Metoid Prime 1 & 2, SM 64, OoT, MM ect, ect, would get a ton of hype and praise for their advanced graphics and visuals for their days.

Now a days, eh, lol.

Its sad that "graphics dont matter" has become such a war cry these days when imo its just as equally ignorant as the stereotypes that its is fighting againt :(

I don't think the situation is as black-and-white as to say that graphics do or do not matter. If graphics didn't matter at all, then none of us would have any problem with playing with only playing systems from the 8-bit era or behind at the moment. Clearly, the advancements in technology have greated new experiences and have allowed everyone to get a better sense of feel for the games they enjoy. On the other side of the coin, graphics alone haven't been the reason why gaming has become what it has and it's the 'be all end all' with video games, and this is the reason why we can continue to enjoy games from yesteryear and actually embrace concepts like Cave Story, which is more about capturing and re-producing an experience that feels much like an 8-bit game. I think in truth, everyone cares about graphics to some extent, but I think it's fair and legit when there are those who don't use graphics as their driving force for enjoying video games.

As far as Nintendo goes, it has said in the past that the focus of where it was heading was not driven by horsepower alone, but by the 'feel' of the games it creates. Just think back to games like Super Mario 64, and while it's visuals were a big deal at the time, what people remember and revere most about the game now was just having the freedom of moving Mario in a 3D space for the first time. The N64 didn't need to be any more powerful than what it was to produce that feel, and heck, even the better looking DS version of the game didn't do as great of a job reproducing the same feel the original SM64 had. It's not to say that 'stronger graphics' can't be of aid in certain circumstances, but I think it's a stretch to say it was always the sole focus for Nintendo's past systems and that it's more or less an issue now. Let's keep in mind that the Wii IS the most powerful console Nintendo has ever created; it's just a system built with the mentality behind it that something profoundly more powerful wouldn't have had any positive effect on the goals the Wii was set to accomplish.

Just think back to games like Super Mario 64, and while it's visuals were a big deal at the time, what people remember and revere most about the game now was just having the freedom of moving Mario in a 3D space for the first time.

Madmangamer364

But thats what I'm saying, graphics are more than just visuals.

That being able to move around with mario for the first time in 3D is directly linked to the graphical advancments of the N64.

The graphical power of the N64 made it possible as well as making games like Starfox 64, OoT and MM possible.

[QUOTE="Madmangamer364"]

Just think back to games like Super Mario 64, and while it's visuals were a big deal at the time, what people remember and revere most about the game now was just having the freedom of moving Mario in a 3D space for the first time.

kenakuma

But thats what I'm saying, graphics are more than just visuals.

That being able to move around with mario for the first time in 3D is directly linked to the graphical advancments of the N64.

The graphical power of the N64 made it possible as well as making games like Starfox 64, OoT and MM possible.

To an extent, I would agree with that. I don't know if it's entirely true that games like SM64 or OoT wouldn't have been possible without the N64, it certainly helped with that. There are definitely times were the hardware capabilities are important to create a certain experience; that much I won't argue with. I personally believe that the claims of it really being the case are more numerous than it actually is in reality, but even that wasn't the point of my post.

What I'm saying is that I think it's unfair to look at Nintendo as this company where it's sole objective was to always have the most powerful console out there, making it look like the Wii stands for the opposite and its owners and fans as those who now completely disregard graphics as a whole. The NES indirectly competed against more powerful computer systems in its day, but succeeded because it provided a fresh feel for video games. The GameBoy created and dominated the portable market for well over a decade, despite also going up against other portable systems that were more capable. Fast forward to today, and the Wii and DS are in a similar position to where the NES and GB were back in the day. In fact, their goals as a system, technological standings, commercial success are so similar, it's scary to think we're talking about a two decade long gap. It just so happens that in between this gap were a few consoles that did have to power to compete directly against the other popular systems of its time, but with that gave birth to a direction that perhaps didn't suit Nintendo's strengths in the best way possible.

Yeah... this is starting to drift away from Cave Story, I know, so I'll end this part of the discussion here. :P Anyways, I personally can't say I'm more or less interested in the Wii version of Cave Story because of its visuals, but mainly because I prefer gaming on the Wii more than I do my PC. The visual update is just a bonus in my book.

Fast forward to today, and the Wii and DS are in a similar position to where the NES and GB were back in the day. In fact, their goals as a system, technological standings, commercial success are so similar, it's scary to think we're talking about a two decade long gap.

Madmangamer364

The nes was actually very powerful for its day and its games often reflected this, zelda, smb 1, smb 3 ect where all praised for having outstanding visual graphics BUT, at the same time those same advanced graphics allowed for those games gameplay elements to be possible.

Zelda and SMB would not of had the same gameplay if they where on, say, the atari 7800, I mean just look at atari's pac-man versus the nes version. Graphical power allowed for the gameplay to be what it was.

But I'm not saying you need to be the most powerfull system to have to attribute your gameplay innovations to graphics! Lets look at the critically acclaimed Super Mario Galaxy on the least powerful system this gen. Even that games big gameplay elements (running around on planets for example) are directly related to graphical power and just werent possible on least powerful engines, say the N64.

My closing point, graphical power renders more than just the visuals in a game, it renders the game itself (gameplay, characters, levels, ect). So of course advancements in graphics (more power) is always welcome because it means advancements in games in general! Its not the only thing that can lead to advancments in gameplay but it definetly is one of the leading factors.

The nes was actually very powerful for its day and its games often reflected this, zelda, smb 1, smb 3 ect where all praised for having outstanding visual graphics BUT, at the same time those same advanced graphics allowed for those games gameplay elements to be possible.

Zelda and SMB would not of had the same gameplay if they where on, say, the atari 7800, I mean just look at atari's pac-man versus the nes version. Graphical power allowed for the gameplay to be what it was.

kenakuma

I suppose how you want to look at the NES is based on exactly what it is you're comparing it to. My point is that there were computer systems out there that were more powerful than the NES, as well as Arcade units that was better suited for certain games, including Nintendo's very own Donkey Kong. The NES wasn't a system that could faithfully reproduce every thing that was out there at the time, but it stood out because it offered experiences of its own that only a home system that was dedicated to video games could provide. Games like SMB and Zelda weren't renowned just because of visual purposes, but also because trying to put these games at an arcade just wasn't possible, given what arcade games were aimed to do, even though the hardware to create the games may have been intact.

It was one thing for Nintendo to create a "very powerful" system in the NES, but the system stood out because of Nintendo's vision for what kind of gaming experiences the system could provide, despite some technological advancements AND limitations. Much like one can argue that the power of a system can aid a game, it's also very possible to argue that a game or even the vision of a game can have just as much impact on a system. There were many instances back in the NES days were developers had to re-focus their vision of certain games because the NES wasn't as powerful as the arcade unit that housed the original game, and create a version of the game that took better advantage of the home gaming qualities the NES did bring. Graphical prowess alone doesn't even begin to explain what made the NES a special system, even if it did have some good looking games.

I suppose how you want to look at the NES is based on exactly what it is you're comparing it to. My point is that there were computer systems out there that were more powerful than the NES, as well as Arcade units that was better suited for certain games, including Nintendo's very own Donkey Kong. The NES wasn't a system that could faithfully reproduce every thing that was out there at the time, but it stood out because it offered experiences of its own that only a home system that was dedicated to video games could provide. Games like SMB and Zelda weren't renowned just because of visual purposes, but also because trying to put these games at an arcade just wasn't possible, given what arcade games were aimed to do, even though the hardware to create the games may have been intact.

It was one thing for Nintendo to create a "very powerful" system in the NES, but the system stood out because of Nintendo's vision for what kind of gaming experiences the system could provide, despite some technological advancements AND limitations. Much like one can argue that the power of a system can aid a game, it's also very possible to argue that a game or even the vision of a game can have just as much impact on a system. There were many instances back in the NES days were developers had to re-focus their vision of certain games because the NES wasn't as powerful as the arcade unit that housed the original game, and create a version of the game that took better advantage of the home gaming qualities the NES did bring. Graphical prowess alone doesn't even begin to explain what made the NES a special system, even if it did have some good looking games.

Madmangamer364

Their always more powerful computer tech out there (the PS3 definetly is not the strongest gaming machine by far right now) but wether or not their in the competitive realm of gaming machines like the nes/atari is a different story, for instance I'm sure their was some computer tech back then that could blow the nes out of the water power wise but at what cost? Theirs always superior tech but is it marketable at a realistic cost to the consumer. Its a risky line to draw, some systems (like the 3dO) where way ahead of their time tech wise but just werent in the competitive market due to this reason (cost), PS3 at launch as well was pushing its limits tech wise and payed for it for quite some time.You always want to be the most powerful but theres limits if you want to compete in the gaming industry!

As for the last part I'll go ahead and quote myself from before, "graphical power renders more than just the visuals in a game, it renders the game itself (gameplay, characters, levels, ect). So of course advancements in graphics (more power) is always welcome because it means advancements in games in general"!

I understand the creative element behind games but to say outright "graphics dont matter"? Its like someone in a museum looking at paintings and saying "paint brush and canvas dont matter in creating these art pieces". Computer tech is the brush and canvas by which developers create their visions, even games like megaman 10 still require/rely on computer/graphic power even if it is older. To say it just doesnt matter at all is, well, ignorant!

Btw this really isnt directed towards you at all (I think me and you have been on the same page from the start wether or not we realise it) I'm just stating the case and my thoughts out in the open since it came up ;)

People!

I was just suggesting a really good game to you guys that's coming for the Wii.

I happened to discover a PC version after studying on the game a bit and wanted to share the info for you guys and told you guys about that version so you could get some sort of an Idea of how the Game would be on the Wii.

It's like me saying "Buy Super Meat Boy when it comes out for the Wii" while giving a link to Meat Boy on Newgrounds since Super Meat Boy will play similar to it!

I have Cave Story for the PC but that won't stop me from buying the Wii version.

I guess I fail at making some sort of Hype for this Indy game.

People!

I was just suggesting a really good game to you guys that's coming for the Wii.

I happened to discover a PC version after studying on the game a bit and wanted to share the info for you guys and told you guys about that version so you could get some sort of an Idea of how the Game would be on the Wii.

It's like me saying "Buy Super Meat Boy when it comes out for the Wii" while giving a link to Meat Boy on Newgrounds since Super Meat Boy will play similar to it!

I have Cave Story for the PC but that won't stop me from buying the Wii version.

I guess I fail at making some sort of Hype for this Indy game.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

People!

I was just suggesting a really good game to you guys that's coming for the Wii.

I happened to discover a PC version after studying on the game a bit and wanted to share the info for you guys and told you guys about that version so you could get some sort of an Idea of how the Game would be on the Wii.

It's like me saying "Buy Super Meat Boy when it comes out for the Wii" while giving a link to Meat Boy on Newgrounds since Super Meat Boy will play similar to it!

I have Cave Story for the PC but that won't stop me from buying the Wii version.

I guess I fail at making some sort of Hype for this Indy game.

nini200

It's no doubt that there will be more of the games you have stated. This is for the WiiWare. It's in a different league than the games you have stated.

If it's only 200 - 500 Wii points then sure, I may get it but if not then I'll just get the PC version for free.Kenny789

[QUOTE="nini200"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

People!

I was just suggesting a really good game to you guys that's coming for the Wii.

I happened to discover a PC version after studying on the game a bit and wanted to share the info for you guys and told you guys about that version so you could get some sort of an Idea of how the Game would be on the Wii.

It's like me saying "Buy Super Meat Boy when it comes out for the Wii" while giving a link to Meat Boy on Newgrounds since Super Meat Boy will play similar to it!

I have Cave Story for the PC but that won't stop me from buying the Wii version.

I guess I fail at making some sort of Hype for this Indy game.

It's no doubt that there will be more of the games you have stated. This is for the WiiWare. It's in a different league than the games you have stated.