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#1 trcrayon
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Before you bash......I'm not complaining, i could care less about graphic's
Ok, so say in about 4+ years what kind of graphics do you think we will be seeing on the Wii.
Right now were are seeing anything a ps2 could handle, but im a few years I think it could be at least a GameCube.5
IMO those graphics would be saved for games like Zelda, because i feel 3rd party Devs..except possibly EA (admit it they have been making a good effort) will not step up.



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#2 mattyftm
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Early on in a consoles life we never see its full graphical potential, so basicly, expect improvements.
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#3 Kojo222
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Nintendo'll probably trick out all it's major games. The 3rd party folks'll come around eventually
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#4 Rookie_MVP
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i think right now the graphics are on par with what gc was at it's peak. in a couple years expect to see graphics similar to the original xbox
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#5 aransom
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Super Paper Mario isn't much of a graphics hog(even though it looks great), but here and there, it uses effects I've never seen in a Gamecube game.
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#6 lilshorty84
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i think right now the graphics are on par with what gc was at it's peak. in a couple years expect to see graphics similar to the original xboxRookie_MVP
Lol, are you guys kidding? You guys are HOPING to get graphics on par with Xbox in the next few years? Wow so your saying the Wii is actually lower than last gen? Okay...but really i hope to see them get graphics way better than xbox, you guys certainly don't hope for much....
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#7 IronManRhino
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[QUOTE="Rookie_MVP"]i think right now the graphics are on par with what gc was at it's peak. in a couple years expect to see graphics similar to the original xboxlilshorty84
Lol, are you guys kidding? You guys are HOPING to get graphics on par with Xbox in the next few years? Wow so your saying the Wii is actually lower than last gen? Okay...but really i hope to see them get graphics way better than xbox, you guys certainly don't hope for much....

Sorry bud, but hope all you want, that's what we're getting, slightly better than xbox, and I don't think that's anything to sneeze at, alot of games on xbox still hold up very well, so quit being so damn pessimistic. 

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#8 lilshorty84
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[QUOTE="lilshorty84"][QUOTE="Rookie_MVP"]i think right now the graphics are on par with what gc was at it's peak. in a couple years expect to see graphics similar to the original xboxIronManRhino

Lol, are you guys kidding? You guys are HOPING to get graphics on par with Xbox in the next few years? Wow so your saying the Wii is actually lower than last gen? Okay...but really i hope to see them get graphics way better than xbox, you guys certainly don't hope for much....

Sorry bud, but hope all you want, that's what we're getting, slightly better than xbox, and I don't think that's anything to sneeze at, alot of games on xbox still hold up very well, so quit being so damn pessimistic. 

Okay i dont mind being a little bit better than Xbox, but getting on par with the Xbox in the next few years? Come on....
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#9 jmangafan
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Have any of you seen Super Mario Galaxy? Thats what the Wii is capable of. The only reason stuff looks like crap is because of the ports the Wii has been getting. Publishers see much more money when they put a PS2 game on the Wii, add some half assed controls, and laugh all the way to the bank.

 Though, som third party groups are pushing the Wii relatively well, Spiderman 3 for the Wii looks surprisingly good, the new Godzilla game, and even Dewy's Adventure are all starting to show what the Wii can do.

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#10 gatsbythepig
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Considering how good the programmers at N are I bet we see games comparable to those on the 360.  No joke, remember how good RE4 and Metroid looked and that was on the GC.
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#11 weazur
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the ps2 was the weakest system in terms of graphics last gen, yet it's released amazingly awesome games like GOWII and RE4,

The wii is the weakest system, I believe it could get to early 360 by the end of its life cycle, but IMO Mario Galaxy does justice

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#12 HeIsLeGeNd2442
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im pretty sure ps2 had better graphics than gc
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#13 santiagochile
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The Wii has last generation power, at 729 mhzs, compared with 3.1 ghz for the otherzs.  The graphics you see are what you get.  The reason most systems get better after several years is that most games don't use all the power when they first come out.  The Wii, being so underpowered, does not have room for improvement.  Plus the A.I. won't be nearly as good as the others.  The Wii is fun, but don't expect anything other than last generation graphics. 
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im pretty sure ps2 had better graphics than gcHeIsLeGeNd2442

 LOL, you've got to be kidding me.  The PS2 in now way had better graphics than the GCN.

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#15 shockwave04
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I think they look fine, but as soon as we see the GC x2 power I'll be very happy.
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#16 Buttmonkey9000
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Early on in a consoles life we never see its full graphical potential, so basicly, expect improvements.mattyftm

Exactly - in my opinion, the Playstation 3's graphics aren't all that good just yet - and i've seen it on an HDTV...

But the graphics of all consoles have improved as their life cycle progresses...

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#17 santiagochile
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Yeah, but don't expect the Wii to improve much.  At 729 mhz, the system is using 6 year old power.  The PS3 has a lot of room to expand and make great looking games, but expect to see PS2 style for the life of the Wii. 
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#18 HeIsLeGeNd2442
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no way i have both and thers deff. a diference
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#19 weazur
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Yeah, but don't expect the Wii to improve much.  At 729 mhz, the system is using 6 year old power.  The PS3 has a lot of room to expand and make great looking games, but expect to see PS2 style for the life of the Wii.  santiagochile

128 mhz vs 728 mhz

ehhh no I dont think the PS2's good enough, look at Super Mario Galaxy and tell me that game is not beautiful

anyways, according to Gamepro, MP3 supposedly looks better than Halo, so.....take that Xbox

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#20 -CheeseEater-
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Early on in a consoles life we never see its full graphical potential, so basicly, expect improvements.mattyftm
Don't bash me guys, but  early in the XBOX 360, Oblivion looked amazing....and still does... I wouldn't really say that early on in a Systems life you can't get games to look wonderful for the time. That's just an example :). SSBB looks great (let's hope the gameplay can keep up :)). :D
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#21 SinfulSpikey
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[QUOTE="mattyftm"]Early on in a consoles life we never see its full graphical potential, so basicly, expect improvements.-CheeseEater-
Don't bash me guys, but early in the XBOX 360, Oblivion looked amazing....and still does... I wouldn't really say that early on in a Systems life you can't get games to look wonderful for the time. That's just an example :). SSBB looks great (let's hope the gameplay can keep up :)). :D

Oblivion had been developed ever since Morrowind's release, plus they made a lot of (lucky) guesses on how the 360 would run games. This led to pretty easy (though still surprisingly subpar) optimization for the system. The Wii has a bit more than twice the power of the GameCube. The GameCube was the second weakest system in terms of raw power, but it also had the best SDK with rather nice graphical tweaks. That, and it was just easy to develop for (though it's sad not many did). If Nintendo continues in that trend, we should see some gorgeous games on the Wii. The 360 and PS3 certainly have more processing potential, but the Wii itself will shine. After all, look at Super Mario Galaxy. It's still in development and already the graphics appear to rival that of the 360's. (Admittingly, though, we'll just have to see when that game hits the shelves). One thing is for sure, the Wii will certainly not be stuck with last generation graphics. I mean, look at the PS2's launch titles. They were barely above the Playstation's graphical capabilities and in the end we were being presented with works of art like the Metal Gear series, Zone of the Enders series, Final Fantasy series, God of War series and the like. The Wii has potential and it will grow. That's truly a given. All it needs is time. And it has at least five more years.
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[QUOTE="IronManRhino"]

[QUOTE="lilshorty84"][QUOTE="Rookie_MVP"]i think right now the graphics are on par with what gc was at it's peak. in a couple years expect to see graphics similar to the original xboxlilshorty84

Lol, are you guys kidding? You guys are HOPING to get graphics on par with Xbox in the next few years? Wow so your saying the Wii is actually lower than last gen? Okay...but really i hope to see them get graphics way better than xbox, you guys certainly don't hope for much....

Sorry bud, but hope all you want, that's what we're getting, slightly better than xbox, and I don't think that's anything to sneeze at, alot of games on xbox still hold up very well, so quit being so damn pessimistic. 

Okay i dont mind being a little bit better than Xbox, but getting on par with the Xbox in the next few years? Come on....

SMG already looks Xbox1 IMO.....

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#23 creativeminded
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A good 4 years down the track? Expect very good graphics and even better gameplay
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#24 Stevendawg
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The Wii will never compare to the 360 graphically, don't kid yourself...

The big 3 are already looking around higher-end xbox quality but they've been making them for so long and are still going at it.  The average wii game right now is around Gamecube graphics and it'll take years from the average to look like xbox quality but there will always be those few here and there that look awsome.

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#25 deactivated-626d7beb18aa6
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A good 4 years down the track? Expect very good graphics and even better gameplaycreativeminded

On a new Nintendo console, 4 years from now thats what will be coming out. 

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#26 purity2004
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Obviously, the 1st party and 2nd party companies will have the know-how straight away, so they can set the precedent. Nintendo needs someone like Rare, who at times could beat even Nintendo at their own game
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#27 bobbetybob
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Wii could do graphics on a par with early 360 games i think, look at Rebel Strike on GC that had graphics much higher than most other games of the generation, if Wii is double that, easy to get graphics similar to COD2 etc

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[QUOTE="mattyftm"]Early on in a consoles life we never see its full graphical potential, so basicly, expect improvements.-CheeseEater-
Don't bash me guys, but  early in the XBOX 360, Oblivion looked amazing....and still does... I wouldn't really say that early on in a Systems life you can't get games to look wonderful for the time. That's just an example :). SSBB looks great (let's hope the gameplay can keep up :)). :D

Brawl is an example of a game that couldn't be done on GC in its graphical state. Although Brawl has litte improvement over the character models of Melee, the backgrounds in Melee were quite N64 quality, as well as some of the items. This was understandable of course since melee could not affort a single pint of frame rate dropping. Here, Brawl features gorgeous environments that look like something from an awesome looking GC game, while still working at silky smooth rate.

The main point i'm getting across is don't look at the game merely graphically and say it isn't as good looking as such and such game. Look at the consistencies of the detail, look at how many character are on screen, amount of lighting, props, background details, etc.

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#29 monty_4256
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developers see no point in pushing graphics in a console that is not designed for graphics, they see it as money saved... it's a busniess not an art

anyway in 4 years I think we'll be seeing things like the doom engin on the wii, cos we saw that on the xbox and the wii is technically more capable than the xbox, so i see no reason why not

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#30 hattyporter
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no way i have both and thers deff. a diferenceHeIsLeGeNd2442

the GC owned the playstation 2 in terms of graphics. just compare the two versions of re4. the gc has much better graphics capability.

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#31 LoserMike
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Wii supposedly is a little stronger than the old Xbox. So it's stronger than the Gamecube and the PS2.
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#32 Colinllama
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4 years from now we'll all be excitied to see with the LAUNCH TITLES will look like on the next Nintendo system.  I don't think Nintendo planned the Wii to have a long life cycle like the 360 and PS3.  I think the Next Nintendo console may well launch a year or so ahead of its rivals.
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#33 fmobliv06
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i think the wii will be a little more powerful that the first xbox, but that's about it. i think that nintendo's strength on the wii is making graphics that are sylized instead of photo-real, like super paper mario.
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[QUOTE="-CheeseEater-"][QUOTE="mattyftm"]Early on in a consoles life we never see its full graphical potential, so basicly, expect improvements.SinfulSpikey
Don't bash me guys, but early in the XBOX 360, Oblivion looked amazing....and still does... I wouldn't really say that early on in a Systems life you can't get games to look wonderful for the time. That's just an example :). SSBB looks great (let's hope the gameplay can keep up :)). :D

Oblivion had been developed ever since Morrowind's release, plus they made a lot of (lucky) guesses on how the 360 would run games. This led to pretty easy (though still surprisingly subpar) optimization for the system. The Wii has a bit more than twice the power of the GameCube. The GameCube was the second weakest system in terms of raw power, but it also had the best SDK with rather nice graphical tweaks. That, and it was just easy to develop for (though it's sad not many did). If Nintendo continues in that trend, we should see some gorgeous games on the Wii. The 360 and PS3 certainly have more processing potential, but the Wii itself will shine. After all, look at Super Mario Galaxy. It's still in development and already the graphics appear to rival that of the 360's. (Admittingly, though, we'll just have to see when that game hits the shelves). One thing is for sure, the Wii will certainly not be stuck with last generation graphics. I mean, look at the PS2's launch titles. They were barely above the Playstation's graphical capabilities and in the end we were being presented with works of art like the Metal Gear series, Zone of the Enders series, Final Fantasy series, God of War series and the like. The Wii has potential and it will grow. That's truly a given. All it needs is time. And it has at least five more years.

I'm not sure I would go so far as saying the graphics in SMG rival that of the 360.  Have you seen Gears of War?  It's a rival in the same way that Martina Hingis rivals Mike Tyson.

That being said who really cares games will still a system to the hardcore and graphics to the casual.  Just feel happy in your "leetness"  

 

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#35 wii60_lukatoll
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[QUOTE="Rookie_MVP"]i think right now the graphics are on par with what gc was at it's peak. in a couple years expect to see graphics similar to the original xboxlilshorty84
Lol, are you guys kidding? You guys are HOPING to get graphics on par with Xbox in the next few years? Wow so your saying the Wii is actually lower than last gen? Okay...but really i hope to see them get graphics way better than xbox, you guys certainly don't hope for much....

haha i know right... i don't want last gen graphics!!!

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#37 Nene33
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Early on in a consoles life we never see its full graphical potential, so basicly, expect improvements.mattyftm

Absolutely, no console looks it's best at the beginning, I think most developpers don't know which direction to go graphicly with the Wii, but with Nintendo's in house games, games like Madden(which looks really good) and games about to come like Metroid, you will see developers lock in to getting the MAX out of the Wii graphics.

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[QUOTE="mattyftm"]Early on in a consoles life we never see its full graphical potential, so basicly, expect improvements.-CheeseEater-
Don't bash me guys, but early in the XBOX 360, Oblivion looked amazing....and still does... I wouldn't really say that early on in a Systems life you can't get games to look wonderful for the time. That's just an example :). SSBB looks great (let's hope the gameplay can keep up :)). :D

Oblivion looked good because it was made for the PC and then ported to the 360.

Also the scale here is different as graphics wise, the leap from ps2-360 and ps2/GCN-wii is different.

 

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game cube/ ps2 graphics
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game cube/ ps2 graphics
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#41 lightningbugx
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Power-wise, the PS2 was the weakest system.  The GC and the XBox had gives and takes, but the XBox was more powerful.  Even thinking that there is a major difference between what the GC could do and the XBox is in error.

First of all, the CPU in the Wii is far superior to the XBox CPU.  The GPU in the Wii surpasses the one in the XBox.  Everything in the Wii is at least 2 generations ahead of what is in the XBox.  The Wii is capable of more than what the XBox could do.

 

So what to say of the graphics capabilities of the Wii?  Damn the images in Super Paper Mario are sharp and defined.  But when a new console is released, the first games are games meant for the previous edition that were redesigned for the next console.  Right now, the developers are learning how to use the Wiimote.  Once they learn the new UI, they will start pushing the other components in the Wii.

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#42 Naseru
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Early on in a consoles life we never see its full graphical potential, so basicly, expect improvements.mattyftm
You know, normaly that arguement would hold water but the Wii is based on the same tech as the GC, its just beefier. Nintendo did this so that developers would be able to get great results quickly. THe Wii should top out around 2 years in what it will be able to do and to be quite honest, there is no excuse for graphics that are no better than top tier GC titles. Its sad, but things won't get much better.  The bright side is that games like Mario and other "cartoony" games can look really amazing without all of the huge power of the other systems. the Wii will be a great system as long as third parties don't be lazy and try to make a fun an creative experience.
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#43 big_mak123
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All Wii needs is a Square-Enix game to come out and that will show what the wii can do, cause we all know how Square-Enix pushes a console's graphical limits all the way to the top. Just look at the PS2. They had the least amount of power and yet Final Fantasy 10 11 and 12 all looked amazing
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#44 Dust24311
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At times like this, it is important to look back in history at the original Nintendo Entertainment System.  Sure, Super Mario looked awesome at launch.  But it looked far inferior to Super Mario Brothers 3, released 5 years later on the same system.  We will see the same thing happen for the Wii.
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#45 blacktorn
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In 4+ years the Wii2 will be out,but i think SMG will be one off the Wii's best looking games ever,or even the best ever.
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PS2 spec's

The following are the basics of the PS2 specs:

CPU: 128 Bit "Emotion Engine"
System Clock: 300 MHz
System Memory: 32 MB Direct Rambus
Memory Bus Bandwidth: 3.2 GB per second
Co-Processor: FPU (Floating Point Multiply Accumulator x 1, Floating Point Divider x 1)
Vector Units: VU0 and VU1 (Floating Point Multiply Accumulator x 9, Floating Point Divider x 1)
Floating Point Performance: 6.2 GFLOPS
Compressed Image Decoder: MPEG2

Graphics
Clock Frequency: 150MHz
DRAM Bus bandwidth: 48 GB Per Second
DRAM Bus width: 2560 bits
Pixel Configuration: RGB:Alpha:Z Buffer (24:8:32)
Maximum Polygon Rate: 75 Million Polygons Per Second
3D CG Geometric Transformation: 66 million Polygons Per Second

Audio
Number of voices: ADPCM: 48 channel on SPU2 plus definable by software
Sampling Frequency: 44.1 KHz or 48 KHz (selectable)

l/O
CPU Core: Current PlayStation CPU
Clock Frequency: 33.8 MHz or 37.5 MHz (selectable)
Sub Bus: 32 Bit
Interface Types: IEEE1394, Universal Serial Bus (USB)
Communication: via PC-Card PCMCIA
Disc Media: DVD-ROM (CD-ROM compatible)

 

CUBE spec's

Tech specs

MPU

Custom IBM Power PC "Gekko"

Manufacturing Process

0.18 micron IBM Copper Wire Technology

Clock Frequency

485 MHz

CPU Capacity

1125 Dmips (Dhrystone 2.1)

Internal Data Precision

32-bit Integer & 64-bit Floating-point

External Bus

1.3GB/second peak bandwidth (32-bit address space, 64-bit data bus 162 MHz clock)

Internal Cache

L1: Instruction 32KB, Data 32KB (8 way) L2: 256KB (2 way)

System LSI

Custom ATI/Nintendo "Flipper"

Manufacturing Process

0.18 micron NEC Embedded DRAM Process

Clock Frequency

162 MHz

Embedded Frame Buffer

Approx. 2MB Sustainable Latency : 6.2ns (1T-SRAM)

Embedded Texture Cache

Approx. 1MB Sustainable Latency : 6.2ns (1T-SRAM)

Texture Read Bandwidth

10.4GB/second (Peak)

Main Memory Bandwidth

2.6GB/second (Peak)

Pixel Depth

24-bit Color, 24-bit Z Buffer

Sound Processor

custom Macronix 16-bit DSP

Instruction Memory

8KB RAM + 8KB ROM

Data Memory

8KB RAM + 4KB ROM

Clock Frequency

81 MHz

Performance

64 simultaneous channels, ADPCM encoding

Sampling Frequency

48KHz

System Floating-point Arithmetic Capability

10.5 GFLOPS (Peak)

Real-world polygon

6 million to 12 million polygons/second 

System Memory

40MB

Main Memory

24 MB MoSys 1T-SRAM, Approximately 10ns Sustainable Latency

A-Memory

16MB (81MHz DRAM)

Disc Drive

CAV System

Average Access Time

128ms

Data Transfer Speed

16Mbps to 25Mbp

 

 

The cube's spec list is more specific anyway I picked the ps2 back then.

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t'll surpass what the original xbox can do....but not too much more
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Heatseaker looks promising, in terms of GPU usage ....
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i dont think the Wii's Graphics will get much better its not that much more powerful then a Gamecube i worry the Wii will not last as long over the the 360/PS3 Everyone is buying a Wii now cause its the hot item but once everyone gets bored of it they will say i want something more with good online or nice graphics so in the end the console fight will probably be 360 vs PS3 but i still Any Online Console:P 

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i dont think the Wii's Graphics will get much better its not that much more powerful then a Gamecube i worry the Wii will not last as long over the the 360/PS3 Everyone is buying a Wii now cause its the hot item but once everyone gets bored of it they will say i want something more with good online or nice graphics so in the end the console fight will probably be 360 vs PS3 but i still Any Online Console:P

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