I've noticed that even though the DS is more powerful than the N64 or PS1, there aren't that many ports. The only one I can think of is SM64. Would you buy PS1/N64 ports?
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I wouldn't buy many N64 ports since I still have a working N64.
PS1 ports are unlikely to come ever since it's not a nintendo system.
Hegna1
The company that made the PS1 game can choose to port to whatever platform they want. A Sony made game wouldn't, but Square-Enix (and other companies) could.
[QUOTE="Hegna1"]
I wouldn't buy many N64 ports since I still have a working N64.
PS1 ports are unlikely to come ever since it's not a nintendo system.
bionisam
The company that made the PS1 game can choose to port to whatever platform they want. A Sony made game wouldn't, but Square-Enix (and other companies) could.
You would have to use higher capacity cartridges (which I believe the DSi can play) to fit N64 games onto the DS, but even then ... I'm not sure if the DS could handle them.
PS1 and Saturn games often make use of FMV which the DS cannot handle (the video quality is terrible even with a single video on the cartridge, like in Final Fantasy IV). So they're ported to the PSP instead or put on PSN download, in the case of PS1 games. Many PS1 games have made their way to PSN download in Japan, and the number is growing in NA's PSN. So if these games are going to be put on handheld they'll likely be put on PSN. Even games that don't use a lot of FMV like Metal Gear Solid are over 700mb which is too large for the DS. The DS is also terrible at textures (like the N64) but it uses texture smoothing to disguise it.
So basically, if you want a handheld PS1 buy a PSP. There are a lot of games coming out for it in a year or so, so if you wait it should be even less expensive than it is now.
I'm pretty sure I would ~ but it would srsly depend on which games ~ if this was indeed a fantasy land where I could get which old games I wanted :lol:.
exactly, who ever said the DS could handle these games???? Heck the PSP can barely handle Ocarina of Times or any N64 games for that matter.Uh, ... The DS cannot handle most PS1 & N64 games. It's what happens when you use cartridges.
hakanakumono
Depends on the game. I splurged on Mario 64 DS today, yay me. I don't have enough a/v connections available for my N64, and I'd rather phase it out anyway and just get the games on another system (quite possibly the DS). Got too many systems, so older stuff coming to newer, smaller systems is a plus for me. Bring more. I'd like a DS version of Majora's Mask especially, because I was never able to get the cart to work.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]exactly, who ever said the DS could handle these games???? Heck the PSP can barely handle Ocarina of Times or any N64 games for that matter. ....... *stares at super mario 64 DS* >.> *stares at FFT: war of the lions* >.>Uh, ... The DS cannot handle most PS1 & N64 games. It's what happens when you use cartridges.
lil_zelda_dude
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]exactly, who ever said the DS could handle these games???? Heck the PSP can barely handle Ocarina of Times or any N64 games for that matter.Uh, ... The DS cannot handle most PS1 & N64 games. It's what happens when you use cartridges.
lil_zelda_dude
Huh? The PSP should be more than able to handle N64 games. It's more powerful than the Dreamcast, after all.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]exactly, who ever said the DS could handle these games???? Heck the PSP can barely handle Ocarina of Times or any N64 games for that matter. The PSP's graphics is between the PS1 and PS2. I'm pretty sure it can handle OoT.Uh, ... The DS cannot handle most PS1 & N64 games. It's what happens when you use cartridges.
lil_zelda_dude
Are you guys all forgetting about Resident Evil Deadly Silence ? It is the first resident evil which was a ps1 game, it doesn't play to bad either, i know cuse i have it.....
and it could look better and run better, if the RE teams werent so lazy *stares at RE:archives* >_>Are you guys all forgetting about Resident Evil Deadly Silence ? It is the first resident evil which was a ps1 game, it doesn't play to bad either, i know cuse i have it.....
lamborghini1134
Well the only game I would like to see from the PS1 is Final Fantasy VII, & technically I've yet to play that game yet (due to timing & mostly been into Nintendo in my younger years). But I wouldn't mind seeing Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, &Perfect Dark on the DS too.
n64 ports yes- ps1 i dont think so , shove em where the sun dont shine, i already have a few n64 ports- mario 64 ridge racer ds and ray man ds
lol i want goldeneye
ds is as good as a n64 ,, , any one play super mario 64 lately ,
um how bout rayman ds or like i said ridge racer ,,
goldeneye rogue agent , , ,
proff ds can handle 64 bit graphics , and space- the ds cards are 1 gb n64 carts at the most were only 64 mbi think or was the biggist 128 mb ,
so ds cards can hold enough lol
ds is as good as a n64 ,, , any one play super mario 64 lately ,
um how bout rayman ds or like i said ridge racer ,,
goldeneye rogue agent , , ,
proff ds can handle 64 bit graphics , and space- the ds cards are 1 gb n64 carts at the most were only 64 mbi think or was the biggist 128 mb ,
so ds cards can hold enough lol
mariokart64fan
Edit: The DS cards are equal to 256MB maximum. Note that a Gb is not the same as a GB. A Gb is a gigabit which is apparently equal to 128MB. But yes, they should be able to handle the space I was wrong.
[QUOTE="mariokart64fan"]
ds is as good as a n64 ,, , any one play super mario 64 lately ,
um how bout rayman ds or like i said ridge racer ,,
goldeneye rogue agent , , ,
proff ds can handle 64 bit graphics , and space- the ds cards are 1 gb n64 carts at the most were only 64 mbi think or was the biggist 128 mb ,
so ds cards can hold enough lol
hakanakumono
The DS card is 1 gigabit, not one gigabyte. In other words, the DS card is not 1024MB.
That's still bigger than 128MB...Are you guys all forgetting about Resident Evil Deadly Silence ? It is the first resident evil which was a ps1 game, it doesn't play to bad either, i know cuse i have it.....
lamborghini1134
RE: DC is 299 MB, so something had to be sacrificed to bring it down to 256. But not all Playstation games are 256mb. For example, Final Fantasy VII is over a GB. And Metal Gear Solid manages to be over 700MB.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="mariokart64fan"]
ds is as good as a n64 ,, , any one play super mario 64 lately ,
um how bout rayman ds or like i said ridge racer ,,
goldeneye rogue agent , , ,
proff ds can handle 64 bit graphics , and space- the ds cards are 1 gb n64 carts at the most were only 64 mbi think or was the biggist 128 mb ,
so ds cards can hold enough lol
freakbabyblues
The DS card is 1 gigabit, not one gigabyte. In other words, the DS card is not 1024MB.
That's still bigger than 128MB...Actually, I was wrong. It's exactly 128mb.
[QUOTE="freakbabyblues"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
The DS card is 1 gigabit, not one gigabyte. In other words, the DS card is not 1024MB.
That's still bigger than 128MB...No, it's 3 less. ._.;
1Gb=256MB... :|[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="freakbabyblues"] That's still bigger than 128MB...freakbabyblues
No, it's 3 less. ._.;
1Gb=256MB... :|No. Google this: "Gb to MB"
1 gigabit = 128 megabytes
1Gb=256MB... :|[QUOTE="freakbabyblues"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
No, it's 3 less. ._.;
hakanakumono
No. Google this: "Gb to MB"
1 gigabit = 128 megabytes
Maximum game card size= 2Gb=256MB.
Kinda tired. :|
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[QUOTE="freakbabyblues"] 1Gb=256MB... :|freakbabyblues
No. Google this: "Gb to MB"
1 gigabit = 128 megabytes
Maximum game card size= 2Gb=256MB.
Kinda tired. :|
Ah, then the DS cards are larger than I thought. Then I wonder why the DS is so horrible at FMV? Is it just that cartridges are a bad medium for FMV? I mean the Final Fantasy IV intro is just terrible and it's a real shame.
"KH358/2DAYS Pushed the DS as far as it could ever achieve, no other DS game... not in our library anyway, had anything worthy of touching this. of course the simple cutscenes were pixelated, i expected as much. the scenes were ps2 compatible. and the FMV scenes left us speechless. an unstoppable amount of EYE candy flourished. over all, Graphics. 5 of 5"
Poor use of resources?
"KH358/2DAYS Pushed the DS as far as it could ever achieve, no other DS game... not in our library anyway, had anything worthy of touching this. of course the simple cutscenes were pixelated, i expected as much. the scenes were ps2 compatible. and the FMV scenes left us speechless. an unstoppable amount of EYE candy flourished. over all, Graphics. 5 of 5"
Poor use of resources?
freakbabyblues
Final Fantasy IV does not scream "poor effort." it screams "difficulty with cartridge medium." There is one point in the game where there are multiple still shots of what appears to have been intended to be an fmv sequence mid game. I was very disappointed. I doubt that the developer was just doing a poor job, since the rest of the game is high quality. Well, actually, its a bit broken, but ...
The fact that it calls the scenes "PS2 compatable" makes me suspect, because not only is the DS much less powerful than the Dreamcast, but they meant to say "comparable." Pixelated but PS2 comparable?
Doesn't seem like a very reputable source. I'd like to see the fmv and graphics for myself. I believe I've sceen a screen or two that make it the best looking on DS yet, but ...
The DS is not more powerful than the N64 OR the PS1. The PS1 was better graphically than the N64 across the board and while the DS and N64 are both capable of 3D, the DS just cannot do it nearly as well. Why do you think there aren't that many 3D games out for the DS? It's hard to pull it off well. Certainly not a bad thing, persay, given that the DS library is full of awesome.drummer131I just checked a spec sheet. PS1's noteably weaker than the DS. It was just able to display higher res textures, the rest of it being of far lower quality. Anyway, games can be ported to weaker consoles. You just have to make a few tweaks(in this case, compress the textures(audio too unless a larger storage medium is used)).
yea, so long as they were DSi downloads, that way they'd be cheaper, and hopefully taking less resources away from other, new games
gimme Paper Mario DS!
[QUOTE="drummer131"]The DS is not more powerful than the N64 OR the PS1. The PS1 was better graphically than the N64 across the board and while the DS and N64 are both capable of 3D, the DS just cannot do it nearly as well. Why do you think there aren't that many 3D games out for the DS? It's hard to pull it off well. Certainly not a bad thing, persay, given that the DS library is full of awesome.freakbabybluesI just checked a spec sheet. PS1's noteably weaker than the DS. It was just able to display higher res textures, the rest of it being of far lower quality. Anyway, games can be ported to weaker consoles. You just have to make a few tweaks(in this case, compress the textures(audio too unless a larger storage medium is used)). Wait, so you're telling me that the DS can handle at least what the PS1 did? Then why aren't we seeing it? Makes me sad.
The DS is not more powerful than the N64 OR the PS1. The PS1 was better graphically than the N64 across the board and while the DS and N64 are both capable of 3D, the DS just cannot do it nearly as well. Why do you think there aren't that many 3D games out for the DS? It's hard to pull it off well. Certainly not a bad thing, persay, given that the DS library is full of awesome.drummer131
Right, and wrong,... (with the exception of certain filters and such this is how it stacks up)
DS: 67Mhz and 33Mhz CPUs, 4MB RAM, 656kb VRAM no interal memory
PS1: 33Mhz CPU, 2MB RAM, 1MB VRAM
N64: 94Mhz CPU, 4MB RAM, and i'm not sure how much VRAM
DSi: 133Mhz CPU and 33Mhz CPU, 16MB RAM, and we don't know how if DSi has the same VRAM as DS lite
So technically, they should be mostly possibly only on DSi
possible on DS with sacrifices, and changes too
i'd say MPH and Zelda PH look better than most N64 games.
[QUOTE="freakbabyblues"][QUOTE="drummer131"]The DS is not more powerful than the N64 OR the PS1. The PS1 was better graphically than the N64 across the board and while the DS and N64 are both capable of 3D, the DS just cannot do it nearly as well. Why do you think there aren't that many 3D games out for the DS? It's hard to pull it off well. Certainly not a bad thing, persay, given that the DS library is full of awesome.drummer131I just checked a spec sheet. PS1's noteably weaker than the DS. It was just able to display higher res textures, the rest of it being of far lower quality. Anyway, games can be ported to weaker consoles. You just have to make a few tweaks(in this case, compress the textures(audio too unless a larger storage medium is used)). Wait, so you're telling me that the DS can handle at least what the PS1 did? Then why aren't we seeing it? Makes me sad. I told you. The difference is the PS1's ability to display high res textures. Everything else is inferior.
@Darth psychosis. The N64 doesn' use VRAM. It uses another type called RDRAM which is used as both(whatever's not used as systemRAM is used as VRAM) This version of RAM had latency problems(and itwas outdated)so it was not used in the DS.
@Darth psychosis. The N64 doesn' use VRAM. It uses another type called RDRAM which is used as both(whatever's not used as systemRAM is used as VRAM) This version of RAM had latency problems(and itwas outdated)so it was not used in the DS.
freakbabyblues
yea its a bit confusing to me.
I really wish someone would confirm if the DSi has 656kb of VRAM or at least its clock speed for video memory
coz when the DSi came out in november, everyone said it had a 67Mhz CPU, and only 4MB RAM.
and then everyone notice how the camera had to be using more than 4MB of ram, and how the internet was much faster than on the DS lite
and then people opened it up and noticed the hardware upgrade. i can't find anything on and confirmation on how much VRAM the DSi has.
its reasonably to think (esspecially since nintendo plans on making Wii no ma service work with Wiis and DSis only to my knowledge) that the DSi would get some sort of VRAM increase over Lite, due to the fact that Nintendo upgraded the CPU and RAM, screen, WiFi, internal memory, etc.
i wish someone would either confirm its 656kb or that its more.
That would be great for the DS since I'd be able to pick up games like Ocarina of time, Harvest moon 64, Final fantasy IX, Golden eye and Perfect dark,
Want PS1 games? Buy a PSP. It's really that simple. It's $170. You can download PS1 games for $9.99 or less. It's definitely a handheld worth owning, just like the DS. Which is why I own both. ;) Hopefully the PSN game list will grow near the Japanese PSN, which already has over 100 PS1 games available.
[QUOTE="drummer131"][QUOTE="freakbabyblues"] I just checked a spec sheet. PS1's noteably weaker than the DS. It was just able to display higher res textures, the rest of it being of far lower quality. Anyway, games can be ported to weaker consoles. You just have to make a few tweaks(in this case, compress the textures(audio too unless a larger storage medium is used)).freakbabybluesWait, so you're telling me that the DS can handle at least what the PS1 did? Then why aren't we seeing it? Makes me sad. I told you. The difference is the PS1's ability to display high res textures. Everything else is inferior.
Except format. PS1's discs could hold more than a DS' cartridge. I find it surprising that the DS is more powerful than a PS1, because the games don't make it seem that way. But maybe the Kingdom Hearts game will show the true power of the DS.
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