Would you prefer the new zelda wii to be difficult like the NES and SNES days?

Difficult as in you die often. You used to die alot playing zelda 1, 2 and ALTTP (especially 2), often having to continue or restart the dungeon over. Hearts were also harder to come by in those games.

I seriously cannot ever recall dying in OoT, MM, WW or TP, where in those first 3 zeldas I would die left and right.

It's the opposite for me. I never really died on the NES/SNES days while in the 3D I died many times. I'd like a challenging but not impossible Zelda in 3D.

Trial and error gameplay is dead; it won't happen especially because they want to mainstream the game aka more casual

I miss hard games.

I thought OoT was hard when I played it but it has been a while. I have replayed Majoras Mask and Wind Waker recently and I really hardly ever died.

I wouldn't mind some harder combat especially in the bosses. I know the ones in Twilight Princess were all very fun but not that hard. Zelda games are challenging in the since of puzzles to me, not combat. Still difficulty is not my main focus of address for the new Zelda, there are plenty of things that would come before that in terms of what needs to be changed.

Trial and error gameplay is dead; it won't happen especially because they want to mainstream the game aka more casual

kontejner44

[QUOTE="kontejner44"]

Trial and error gameplay is dead; it won't happen especially because they want to mainstream the game aka more casual

locopatho

In 2D Mario the stages are short and you have unlimited lives, that goes for Galaxy's 1 life comet stages too. Plus in Galaxy, you have already beaten the level so you know what the deal is, if you die it's your own mistake, there's no surprise element like in the 2D ones.

I don't know why you are comparing them.. maybe because I said T and E is dead? Well it's dead for some genres, one would be FPS were you have shield HP. If you look at Zelda from N64 times and compare it with TP you will see that it becomes more straight forward, you never get stuck for one. Major difference in heart piece collection. They made it easier in a way, but instead added a bunch more of them so now you'd need5 pieces for 1 full heart, which imo is a huge improvement. I can go on if you want

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="kontejner44"]

Trial and error gameplay is dead; it won't happen especially because they want to mainstream the game aka more casual

kontejner44

In 2D Mario the stages are short and you have unlimited lives, that goes for Galaxy's 1 life comet stages too. Plus in Galaxy, you have already beaten the level so you know what the deal is, if you die it's your own mistake, there's no surprise element like in the 2D ones.

I don't know why you are comparing them.. maybe because I said T and E is dead? Well it's dead for some genres, one would be FPS were you have shield HP. If you look at Zelda from N64 times and compare it with TP you will see that it becomes more straight forward, you never get stuck for one. Major difference in heart piece collection. They made it easier in a way, but instead added a bunch more of them so now you'd need5 pieces for 1 full heart, which imo is a huge improvement. I can go on if you want

Dying alot doesn't mean a game is hard, also retracking through dungeons the size of the ones found recently in Zelda games would be annoying. Trial and error gameplay is just lazy these days, if you want to keep dying all the time and take it as a fake challenge, just play with your eyes closed.

How come New Super Mario Bros and to an extent Mario Galaxy have one hit kills?locopatho

The 2d dificultness is just as bad as TP's easiness.

I don't see why Nintendo just doesn't implement a difficulty setting.

I don't know, its not like I have a lot of time on my hands. I liked Wind Waker because it was long but still easy to figure out. Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask were defenitely difficult, but there is a sense of accomplishment when you solve stuff.

Difficult as in you die often. You used to die alot playing zelda 1, 2 and ALTTP (especially 2), often having to continue or restart the dungeon over. Hearts were also harder to come by in those games.

I seriously cannot ever recall dying in OoT, MM, WW or TP, where in those first 3 zeldas I would die left and right.

muscle_shark

I don't want to have to look up a walkthrough just to finish the game, that is what ruined No More Heroes 2 for me. Really, a final boss battle which all the game mechanics you got used to suddenly change? Needing to use a move that you are NEVER tought how to use or when to use?

If the new Wii Zelda is difficult like the NES games, it will be COMPLETE SUCKAGE!

[QUOTE="muscle_shark"]

Difficult as in you die often. You used to die alot playing zelda 1, 2 and ALTTP (especially 2), often having to continue or restart the dungeon over. Hearts were also harder to come by in those games.

I seriously cannot ever recall dying in OoT, MM, WW or TP, where in those first 3 zeldas I would die left and right.

snover2009

I don't want to have to look up a walkthrough just to finish the game, that is what ruined No More Heroes 2 for me. Really, a final boss battle which all the game mechanics you got used to suddenly change? Needing to use a move that you are NEVER tought how to use or when to use?

If the new Wii Zelda is difficult like the NES games, it will be COMPLETE SUCKAGE!

most of the challenge from Zelda 1 and LttP was not knowing where to go next. I don't want that to make a comeback.

I think OOT difficulty would be perfect. TP, and WW were too easy.

Tougher puzzles would be nice but I highly doubt the new Zelda will be very difficult at all.If anything it will be on par with Twilight Princess. Letting us choose difficulty settings would be nice though.

most of the challenge from Zelda 1 and LttP was not knowing where to go next. I don't want that to make a comeback.

BARAKiU

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most of the challenge from Zelda 1 and LttP was not knowing where to go next. I don't want that to make a comeback.

so_hai

Back in the NES days making a game really, really hard was a way to accomplish one of two tasks: forcing people to spend lots of money at the arcade, or artificially extending the time one spends playing a video game.

Now that the medium on which games are stored is large enough to support a full-fledged game that does not need artificial padding, I would prefer not to have a game that includes it.

Also, A Link to the Past really wasn't that hard. Zelda 2 is the pinnacle of stupid hardness in the Zelda series.

Also, A Link to the Past really wasn't that hard. Zelda 2 is the pinnacle of stupid hardness in the Zelda series.

I wish developers would invent some kind of system that allowed you to change the enemy behavior or other stuff to balance the game to different levels... Oh well, guess it is just an impossible dream

With the exception of 2, all Zelda games have been easy. Thats probably why they have such mass appeal.

I'd like more difficult bosses and to not be pointed in the right direction all the time. But dying often? that doesn't sound fun....

Back in the NES days making a game really, really hard was a way to accomplish one of two tasks: forcing people to spend lots of money at the arcade, or artificially extending the time one spends playing a video game.

Now that the medium on which games are stored is large enough to support a full-fledged game that does not need artificial padding, I would prefer not to have a game that includes it.

Also, A Link to the Past really wasn't that hard. Zelda 2 is the pinnacle of stupid hardness in the Zelda series.

GabuEx

[QUOTE="BARAKiU"]

most of the challenge from Zelda 1 and LttP was not knowing where to go next. I don't want that to make a comeback.

so_hai

[color=pink]Navi:[/color] "Link, I feel a cold wind coming from [color=blue]Zora's Domain[/color]"

hmmm... where do I go next?

If you failed to talk to people on clues where to go next after you wondered around for a bit Navi would give you a "hint" much like the one above.

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[QUOTE="muscle_shark"]

Difficult as in you die often. You used to die alot playing zelda 1, 2 and ALTTP (especially 2), often having to continue or restart the dungeon over. Hearts were also harder to come by in those games.

I seriously cannot ever recall dying in OoT, MM, WW or TP, where in those first 3 zeldas I would die left and right.

BrunoBRS

I don't want to have to look up a walkthrough just to finish the game, that is what ruined No More Heroes 2 for me. Really, a final boss battle which all the game mechanics you got used to suddenly change? Needing to use a move that you are NEVER tought how to use or when to use?

If the new Wii Zelda is difficult like the NES games, it will be COMPLETE SUCKAGE!

In the final boss battle, the first stage, his health stops falling, how am I suppost to know that I have to lose a power struggle to activate a cutscene to continue?

In the second stage, the final boss uses seemingly unavoidable moves that no matter what I did, always hit me, how do I survive then?

In the third stage, your dodge and block are useless against him, WITH NO INDICATION AS TO LET YOU KNOW!

How am I suppost to know that tapping the block button just as the final stage boss hits me I will be unharmed? It is not specified anywhere.

Also, A Link to the Past really wasn't that hard. Zelda 2 is the pinnacle of stupid hardness in the Zelda series.

[QUOTE="so_hai"][QUOTE="BARAKiU"]

most of the challenge from Zelda 1 and LttP was not knowing where to go next. I don't want that to make a comeback.

knuckl3head

[color=pink]Navi:[/color] "Link, I feel a cold wind coming from [color=blue]Zora's Domain[/color]"

hmmm... where do I go next?

If you failed to talk to people on clues where to go next after you wondered around for a bit Navi would give you a "hint" much like the one above.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="snover2009"]

I don't want to have to look up a walkthrough just to finish the game, that is what ruined No More Heroes 2 for me. Really, a final boss battle which all the game mechanics you got used to suddenly change? Needing to use a move that you are NEVER tought how to use or when to use?

If the new Wii Zelda is difficult like the NES games, it will be COMPLETE SUCKAGE!

snover2009

In the final boss battle, the first stage, his health stops falling, how am I suppost to know that I have to lose a power struggle to activate a cutscene to continue?

In the second stage, the final boss uses seemingly unavoidable moves that no matter what I did, always hit me, how do I survive then?

In the third stage, your dodge and block are useless against him, WITH NO INDICATION AS TO LET YOU KNOW!

How am I suppost to know that tapping the block button just as the final stage boss hits me I will be unharmed? It is not specified anywhere.

In the final boss battle, the first stage, his health stops falling, how am I suppost to know that I have to lose a power struggle to activate a cutscene to continue?

i didn't lose on purpose and it still worked. if i'm not mistaken, the boss instantly wins the struggle that triggers the cutscene.

In the second stage, the final boss uses seemingly unavoidable moves that no matter what I did, always hit me, how do I survive then?

dodge. worked for me. dodge and attack when he's open

In the third stage, your dodge and block are useless against him, WITH NO INDICATION AS TO LET YOU KNOW!

what? i dodged and didn't get hit. work your timing

How am I suppost to know that tapping the block button just as the final stage boss hits me I will be unharmed? It is not specified anywhere.

i never tapped the block button, i'd just dodge

snover2009

[QUOTE="snover2009"]

In the final boss battle, the first stage, his health stops falling, how am I suppost to know that I have to lose a power struggle to activate a cutscene to continue?

i didn't lose on purpose and it still worked. if i'm not mistaken, the boss instantly wins the struggle that triggers the cutscene.

In the second stage, the final boss uses seemingly unavoidable moves that no matter what I did, always hit me, how do I survive then?

dodge. worked for me. dodge and attack when he's open

In the third stage, your dodge and block are useless against him, WITH NO INDICATION AS TO LET YOU KNOW!

what? i dodged and didn't get hit. work your timing

How am I suppost to know that tapping the block button just as the final stage boss hits me I will be unharmed? It is not specified anywhere.

i never tapped the block button, i'd just dodge

BrunoBRS

Did you face the final boss on bitter mode? That's swhen he becomes absurd.

And back to the topic, the only Zelda games that were really hard were both the NES ones. A Link tothe Past and the Oracle games offered a good difficulty though. Not insanely hard, but no cakewalk either. So I would want them to try and get that difficulty back.

That you highlight that this is the first game to give hints in the series indicates that even the developers were concerned about people getting lost/bored and giving up. I did all three in OoT. ALttP was the last Zelda game that got the balance right (and possibly the Minish Cap). Others say the Orcale games were genius too. I still think a 2D Zelda has the crown, just as those who think SMB3 was the peak of that series.so_hai

OoT gave hints where to go through interaction, LttP gave a numbered map. They're essentially the same as in they both supply easy accessible ways of description of WHERE to go leaving it to you to figure out WHAT to do when you got there. Light and darkworld are interchangable with present and future so there shouldn't have been any new challenges there. That's fine if you prefer 2d but from what i'm understanding you claim to prefer it for a quality they both possess.

I'm not so sure about the first two Zelda games but A Link to the Past was just as easy as Ocarina of Time.

I'm not so sure about the first two Zelda games but A Link to the Past was just as easy as Ocarina of Time.

UbiquitousAeon

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I'm not so sure about the first two Zelda games but A Link to the Past was just as easy as Ocarina of Time.

BrunoBRS

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"]

I'm not so sure about the first two Zelda games but A Link to the Past was just as easy as Ocarina of Time.

UbiquitousAeon

LttP can be tricky in the sense of using the time warp mirror in the correct place, or digging for the flute, but I wouldnt consider that 'hard' just tricky/confusing.

Who remembers the Iron-knuckles from Zelda 2? Especially the blue ones, those could really take away alot of your life fighting them.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"]Yeah, I don't know. I completed it 100%, got all the items, upgrades and heart pieces. I think you can do it if you spend more time with it. As many have said before me, it's not that hard. UbiquitousAeon

[QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] i'm stuck on the dark forest dungeon. i've spend hours walking around, jumping through the secret entrances... and nothing >.>BrunoBRS

YOUTUBE.
Type it in on youtube. How do you think I was able to complete the hardest game I've ever played in my life: Zelda 2: Adventure of Link?

Look Hereor if you're past that parthere ispart 2, unless I'm mistaken for a different dungeon.