Zack and Wiki not a very innovative game?

Outstanding Innovation in Gaming:

Assassin's CreedUbisoftUbisoft Montreal

BioShock2K Games2K Boston, 2K Australia

Rock BandMTV Games / Electronic ArtsHarmonix

Super Mario GalaxyNintendo of AmericaNintendo

The Orange BoxElectronic Arts/Valve SoftwareValve Software

apparently the pros over at the IAA awards dont think so.

since the whole drive behind the wii is innovation i was hoping to see more than just ONE wii game on this list! :cry:

other than that it looks like rock band is gonna be taking home most of the awards this year, they got nominated in 8 different categories.

I read the topic title thinking that you were going to be bashing on Zack and Wiki. Instead you brought up a good point, most of the games on that list aren't very Innovative...

Screw Rock Band.

I read the topic title thinking that you were going to be bashing on Zack and Wiki. Instead you brought up a good point, most of the games on that list aren't very Innovative...

Screw Rock Band.

Niff_T

lol and u know rock band has like a 90% chance of winning this category, oh well we will find out feb 7 on the front page.

What, thats a lie. Were is Zach and Wiki.sman3579

and wii sports and stuff like that? i quess they must have some reasoning as to why they didnt include them.

but this award could have really helped zack and wikis sales!

I have Assassin's creed and believe it's not that good. It's all eye candy. looks more like a hype-o-meter list. (Well rockband, SMG and orange box deserve to be there)vivi2000

never got assains creed, any chance u can tell me what about it can be considered innovative? im just curious since it made the list.

[QUOTE="vivi2000"]I have Assassin's creed and believe it's not that good. It's all eye candy. looks more like a hype-o-meter list. (Well rockband, SMG and orange box deserve to be there)kenakuma

never got assains creed, any chance u can tell me what about it can be considered innovative? im just curious since it made the list.

It's the way that you navigate the environment. The simple control of free-running works well, and all the animations are very fluid and realistic. Think Prince of Persia, but better.

It's hard to explain, you should really look up some videos of it to see for yourself, or if you have a 360/PS3 you should definitely rent it.

Guess it is the possibility to walk through the cities that are actually living, walking and visiting them as a sort of sidequest, but it becomes quickly boring (atleast to me). It's a shame cause I was really hyped up for this one, but didn't really match my expectations. I don't think it's innovative but the graphics are really astonishing, that I must say.vivi2000

ya sounds like a cool concept minus the boring part! you know where this type of game enviorment wouldnt be boring? a zelda game! a zelda game could use this sort of enviorment but not rely on it. that would be one amazing game!

Outstanding Innovation in Gaming:

Assassin's CreedUbisoftUbisoft Montreal

BioShock2K Games2K Boston, 2K Australia

Rock BandMTV Games / Electronic ArtsHarmonix

Super Mario GalaxyNintendo of AmericaNintendo

The Orange BoxElectronic Arts/Valve SoftwareValve Software

kenakuma

I'm not sure Zack and Wiki is really that innovative, fun as heck sure, but not innovative. Its basically like any old pc adventure game but with a level structure instead of linear narrative progression. It doesn't do anything particularly new.

Of course the actually list of "innovative" games lacks a little. Assassin's Creed is a blast, but doesn't do much new. Its another sandbox game crossed with Tenchu. Bioshock is another FPS, only the storyline stands out as particularly innovative. I would give the award to Orangebox, just for the innovative puzzle game that is Portal. Its much more unique than any other game this year, Zack and Wiki included.

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Outstanding Innovation in Gaming:

Assassin's CreedUbisoftUbisoft Montreal

BioShock2K Games2K Boston, 2K Australia

Rock BandMTV Games / Electronic ArtsHarmonix

Super Mario GalaxyNintendo of AmericaNintendo

The Orange BoxElectronic Arts/Valve SoftwareValve Software

jaycromer12

I'm not sure Zack and Wiki is really that innovative, fun as heck sure, but not innovative. Its basically like any old pc adventure game but with a level structure instead of linear narrative progression. It doesn't do anything particularly new.

Of course the actually list of "innovative" games lacks a little. Assassin's Creed is a blast, but doesn't do much new. Its another sandbox game crossed with Tenchu. Bioshock is another FPS, only the storyline stands out as particularly innovative. I would give the award to Orangebox, just for the innovative puzzle game that is Portal. Its much more unique than any other game this year, Zack and Wiki included.

ya i heard portal was amazing, the only problem i hear was that it was to short a game! but does that really matter when it comes packaged with team fortress and half-life 2!

Just because it's not listed doesn't mean it's not innovative.Jaysonguy

the wii is supposed to be an innovation machine! it should have filled up all 5 spots with its games!

developers need to step their game up for the wii! innovation is nintendo's territory and we need to take it back!

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Just because it's not listed doesn't mean it's not innovative.kenakuma

the wii is supposed to be an innovation machine! it should have filled up all 5 spots with its games!

developers need to step their game up for the wii! innovation is nintendo's territory and we need to take it back!

Again, just because it's not listed doesn't mean it is not.

If you decide to go on what others tell you to think you're going to live a very unhappy life.

[QUOTE="kenakuma"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Just because it's not listed doesn't mean it's not innovative.Jaysonguy

the wii is supposed to be an innovation machine! it should have filled up all 5 spots with its games!

developers need to step their game up for the wii! innovation is nintendo's territory and we need to take it back!

Again, just because it's not listed doesn't mean it is not.

If you decide to go on what others tell you to think you're going to live a very unhappy life.

what? that response has nothing to do with anything?

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="kenakuma"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Just because it's not listed doesn't mean it's not innovative.kenakuma

the wii is supposed to be an innovation machine! it should have filled up all 5 spots with its games!

developers need to step their game up for the wii! innovation is nintendo's territory and we need to take it back!

Again, just because it's not listed doesn't mean it is not.

If you decide to go on what others tell you to think you're going to live a very unhappy life.

what? that response has nothing to do with anything?

It has to do with everything.

Who cares if one site doesn't have it listed? IGN says it's one of the most innovative games they've played in years. Now who wins there? It doesn't win awards at one place but does at another.

The point I'm making is care less about who says what, if you want to live your life that way feel free but it's going to be a miserable path.

A better way is to make up your own decisions on them and have the maturity to let others do the same. Others don't agree with your opinion? That's fine. You don't agree with theirs? Fine as well.

As long as you're not dealing with facts (which what your thread about is not) don't let anyone make up your mind for you.

[QUOTE="kenakuma"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="kenakuma"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Just because it's not listed doesn't mean it's not innovative.Jaysonguy

the wii is supposed to be an innovation machine! it should have filled up all 5 spots with its games!

developers need to step their game up for the wii! innovation is nintendo's territory and we need to take it back!

Again, just because it's not listed doesn't mean it is not.

If you decide to go on what others tell you to think you're going to live a very unhappy life.

what? that response has nothing to do with anything?

It has to do with everything.

Who cares if one site doesn't have it listed? IGN says it's one of the most innovative games they've played in years. Now who wins there? It doesn't win awards at one place but does at another.

The point I'm making is care less about who says what, if you want to live your life that way feel free but it's going to be a miserable path.

A better way is to make up your own decisions on them and have the maturity to let others do the same. Others don't agree with your opinion? That's fine. You don't agree with theirs? Fine as well.

As long as you're not dealing with facts (which what your thread about is not) don't let anyone make up your mind for you.

no one said zack and wicky wasnt innovative. your arguing against no one, geeze did you even read the other posts in this thread, almost no one agrees with this list, quit being such a cry baby, your always trying to argue with some one.

and this site didnt put the list together, its from the INTERACTIVE ACHIEVMENT AWARDS!!! being hosted in las vegas this year so yeah it does have some pretty big authority behind it, but like u said who cares what a web-site (IGN cough) says their nothing compared to a convention like this.

no one said zack and wicky wasnt innovative. your arguing against no one, geeze did you even read the other posts in this thread, almost no one agrees with this list, quit being such a cry baby, your always trying to argue with some one.

and this site didnt put the list together, its from the INTERACTIVE ACHIEVMENT AWARDS!!! being hosted in las vegas this year so yeah it does have some pretty big authority behind it, but like u said who cares what a web-site (IGN cough) says their nothing compared to a convention like this.

kenakuma

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="kenakuma"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="kenakuma"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Just because it's not listed doesn't mean it's not innovative.kenakuma

the wii is supposed to be an innovation machine! it should have filled up all 5 spots with its games!

developers need to step their game up for the wii! innovation is nintendo's territory and we need to take it back!

Again, just because it's not listed doesn't mean it is not.

If you decide to go on what others tell you to think you're going to live a very unhappy life.

what? that response has nothing to do with anything?

It has to do with everything.

Who cares if one site doesn't have it listed? IGN says it's one of the most innovative games they've played in years. Now who wins there? It doesn't win awards at one place but does at another.

The point I'm making is care less about who says what, if you want to live your life that way feel free but it's going to be a miserable path.

A better way is to make up your own decisions on them and have the maturity to let others do the same. Others don't agree with your opinion? That's fine. You don't agree with theirs? Fine as well.

As long as you're not dealing with facts (which what your thread about is not) don't let anyone make up your mind for you.

no one said zack and wicky wasnt innovative. your arguing against no one, geeze did you even read the other posts in this thread, almost no one agrees with this list, quit being such a cry baby, your always trying to argue with some one.

and this site didnt put the list together, its from the INTERACTIVE ACHIEVMENT AWARDS!!! being hosted in las vegas this year so yeah it does have some pretty big authority behind it, but like u said who cares what a web-site (IGN cough) says their nothing compared to a convention like this.

The interactive achievement awards?

So THEY hold some sort of merit over everyone else? lol

They're just another group that thinks they know what they're talking about and suckers other people to listen

I mean they're only 11 years old and ANYONE can join and vote on things there.

But no, they're VERY fancy, move over Academy Awards here comes the awards show that just about anyone can vote in. lol

[QUOTE="kenakuma"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="kenakuma"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="kenakuma"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Just because it's not listed doesn't mean it's not innovative.Jaysonguy

the wii is supposed to be an innovation machine! it should have filled up all 5 spots with its games!

developers need to step their game up for the wii! innovation is nintendo's territory and we need to take it back!

Again, just because it's not listed doesn't mean it is not.

If you decide to go on what others tell you to think you're going to live a very unhappy life.

what? that response has nothing to do with anything?

It has to do with everything.

Who cares if one site doesn't have it listed? IGN says it's one of the most innovative games they've played in years. Now who wins there? It doesn't win awards at one place but does at another.

The point I'm making is care less about who says what, if you want to live your life that way feel free but it's going to be a miserable path.

A better way is to make up your own decisions on them and have the maturity to let others do the same. Others don't agree with your opinion? That's fine. You don't agree with theirs? Fine as well.

As long as you're not dealing with facts (which what your thread about is not) don't let anyone make up your mind for you.

no one said zack and wicky wasnt innovative. your arguing against no one, geeze did you even read the other posts in this thread, almost no one agrees with this list, quit being such a cry baby, your always trying to argue with some one.

and this site didnt put the list together, its from the INTERACTIVE ACHIEVMENT AWARDS!!! being hosted in las vegas this year so yeah it does have some pretty big authority behind it, but like u said who cares what a web-site (IGN cough) says their nothing compared to a convention like this.

The interactive achievement awards?

So THEY hold some sort of merit over everyone else? lol

They're just another group that thinks they know what they're talking about and suckers other people to listen

I mean they're only 11 years old and ANYONE can join and vote on things there.

But no, they're VERY fancy, move over Academy Awards here comes the awards show that just about anyone can vote in. lol

i dont see you with your own awards cerenmony for video games, way to get totally of topic, but then again i guess this is just what you do when no one is around to argue video games with you.

i dont see you with your own awards cerenmony for video games, way to get totally of topic, but then again i guess this is just what you do when no one is around to argue video games with you.

kenakuma

You're saying this award show is something that is better then all the other talking heads out there and I'm showing you it's not. It's just another place giving their opinion on what they think. This place in particular being 11 years old and having open membership for anyone.

[QUOTE="kenakuma"]

i dont see you with your own awards cerenmony for video games, way to get totally of topic, but then again i guess this is just what you do when no one is around to argue video games with you.

Jaysonguy

You're saying this award show is something that is better then all the other talking heads out there and I'm showing you it's not. It's just another place giving their opinion on what they think. This place in particular being 11 years old and having open membership for anyone.

im just using the award show as another example as to how games like zack and wiki are getting way to little attention for what they have done.

the real subject matter here is getting attention and how the next "zack and wiki" should get what it derserves in sales and buzz.

Assassins Creed, innovative?

It's one of the most repetitive, boring, and overrated games of 2007.

Outstanding Innovation in Gaming:

Assassin's CreedUbisoftUbisoft Montreal

BioShock2K Games2K Boston, 2K Australia

Rock BandMTV Games / Electronic ArtsHarmonix

Super Mario GalaxyNintendo of AmericaNintendo

The Orange BoxElectronic Arts/Valve SoftwareValve Software

apparently the pros over at the IAA awards dont think so.

since the whole drive behind the wii is innovation i was hoping to see more than just ONE wii game on this list! :cry:

other than that it looks like rock band is gonna be taking home most of the awards this year, they got nominated in 8 different categories.

kenakuma

I wouldn't worry too much about what the "pros" over at thr IAA awards think. Awards have a tendency to be quite superficial. For instance I thought Okami on the ps2 was a innovative and outstanding game. However it never won any awards or gained much recognition at all, at least that I know of.

Fact of the matter is this seems more like an award for which games sold the most instead of innovation. Everyone of these titles grossed a considerable income last year. So the recognition is just a popularity contest and not really over substance.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="kenakuma"]

i dont see you with your own awards cerenmony for video games, way to get totally of topic, but then again i guess this is just what you do when no one is around to argue video games with you.

kenakuma

You're saying this award show is something that is better then all the other talking heads out there and I'm showing you it's not. It's just another place giving their opinion on what they think. This place in particular being 11 years old and having open membership for anyone.

im just using the award show as another example as to how games like zack and wiki are getting way to little attention for what they have done.

the real subject matter here is getting attention and how the next "zack and wiki" should get what it derserves in sales and buzz.

Okami got award praise, now the devs live in cardboard boxes

Sales matter, that's it, no one cares about the awards because they never help sales.

If they did we'd see Okami still going strong instead of a last ditch attempt to give it some legs on the Wii.

[QUOTE="kenakuma"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="kenakuma"]

i dont see you with your own awards cerenmony for video games, way to get totally of topic, but then again i guess this is just what you do when no one is around to argue video games with you.

Jaysonguy

You're saying this award show is something that is better then all the other talking heads out there and I'm showing you it's not. It's just another place giving their opinion on what they think. This place in particular being 11 years old and having open membership for anyone.

im just using the award show as another example as to how games like zack and wiki are getting way to little attention for what they have done.

the real subject matter here is getting attention and how the next "zack and wiki" should get what it derserves in sales and buzz.

Okami got award praise, now the devs live in cardboard boxes

Sales matter, that's it, no one cares about the awards because they never help sales.

If they did we'd see Okami still going strong instead of a last ditch attempt to give it some legs on the Wii.

Well its a shame what happened to clover studios. I think capcom would have been way better off not having closed them down. But it is true and yet sad as well that sales is what matters. However my point is not to trust awards or even critics for that matter so much. Great games are out there but sometimes they don't appeal to everyone.

We all know Zack and wiki had poor marketing. I bet if they had invested a little more into that the game would have sold.

Okami and Zack both got their praises from critics but curious when did okami win an award?

Zack and Wiki is a throw back to old point and click adventure games which are a dying breed. Only place they still seem to thrive is on gametap and its episodic content distribution. After seeing Zack and wiki I hope to see more like it maybe the Wii will revitalize the genre.

[QUOTE="sman3579"]What, thats a lie. Were is Zach and Wiki.kenakuma

and wii sports and stuff like that? i quess they must have some reasoning as to why they didnt include them.

but this award could have really helped zack and wikis sales!

I could be wrong, but I think these awards are only for 2007 titles.

Anyway, my personal picks would be the five following video games:

The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass, Zack and Wiki, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Super Paper Mario, and Super Mario Galaxy.

They all innovative in some kind of way, and all are a blast to play.

A lot of people won't agree with me, but it doesn't matter... I enjoyed them, and it doesn't really matter to me what these people at the award ceremony think.

Also, keep in mind that Zack and Wiki got a higher overall average than Assassin's Creed.

Zack and Wiki: 8.6 Critic average.

Assassin's Creed (XBox 360): 8.3 critic average.

Assassin's Creed (PlayStation 3): 8.1 critic average.

So obviously, Zack and Wiki is getting some praise if it outscores a game like Assassin's Creed.

I personally LOVE assassins Creed, but i do not consider it to be innovative. Infact, it is more or less a sequel to Prince of Persia in terms of gameplay, where as Zack and Wiki is very unique. Converting baddies to tools and using those tools to figure out a puzzle based level is what I would consider innovative. But It seems to me that this list entails technological innovations, such as Altiar's wall climbing how each hand and foot realistically lands in the prope spot every time instead of him just scaling a texture... or mario galaxy and the gravity thing, but zack and wiki, has gameplay innovations that i havent really seen in other games.

Oh well, maybe it was overlooked because of the anoying sound effects or something.