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bandwagoner, you didnt like any hip hop song with autotune?,
Serious question?
Of course I don't. That technology has sounded lame since the day it was introduced. It has staying power only because people find it catchy, as is the case with all "pop rap."
There is no "pop rap". The genre grew up and evolved, and autotune became part of it. It's called growth, not breaking off into separate subgenres. As different as hooks are these days when compared to stuff from the 90s and early 2000s, they are still hip-hop hooks, machine generated voice or not. T-Pain is still Hip-Hop and Rap... not "pop rap".
You can call CH, Mickey Factz and so on "hipster rappers" but at the end of the day, they are still Hip-Hop. No matter how different they are in music and style, they are Hip-Hop. When Wu-Tang, NWA, and so on came out, we called them Gangster rappers, but at the end of the day they were still Hip-Hop, no matter how different they were from The Fresh Prince and such. These subcategories really don't mean anything, so to label something that strays from the norm something different just doesn't make sense. They have grown and took their art in a different direction than the norm. So what? It's still Hip-Hop. Lil Wayne spitting over a rock track with a pop vocalist is still Hip-Hop, just evolved and pushed in a different direction. Pop Rap, rock rap, and so on should never be used to label someone... I'd feel degraded if I was T-Pain and someone called me "pop rap". The dude is Hip-Hop. Period.
Anyway... autotune is dope as hell. 808s and Heartbreaks was a dope album to me, T-pain's albums are PIFF, especially the latest, all the autotune hooks are fire. **** the haters who are stuck in the past...
What? This is all wrong as hell.
Music, like all forms of art, is subjective.
If I think something does not qualify as hip hop, then I can label it as such, and it doesn't mean a damn thing if someone else says otherwise. I think "autotune is dope as hell" is a ridiculous statement. This is a subjective matter, so I can stick by that view.Â
Ok, so tell me, how do autotune artists incorporate pop elements? I mean they are pop rap, so what part of their music is pop? Their beats? They are Hip-Hop oriented. Their lyrics? Hip-Hop inspired. Their music videos and tours? Hip-Hop inspired. Their subject matter? Stuff that is pretty much only discussed in Hip-Hop music (no pop artist is sitting around making an entire album about drinking and getting girls drunk and the joy of being intoxicated). So... what exaclty is pop about them :lol: ? You can label things if you want, but atleast label them in a way that makes some sense. The only connection that can be made is through Cher. And T-Pain is nothing like her in terms of music, besides the fact that they both have used autotune. Plus, T-Pain has completely revamped what she did on Believe and given autotune his own original sound.
Yes music is subjective, but saying something is "pop rap" when there is NOTHING pop about it, is just FALSE. I don't care if that's what you think it is, because it is incorrect. You're off by miles. And as I said, at the end of the day, T-Pain is Hip-Hop. That's all there is to it. He is Hip-Hop of the 2000s, and embodies a lot of its growth and new direction. When you say something is "blah blah" rap, you are comparing to it from something of the past: original Hip-Hop, where the genre started, instead of accepting the fact that whoever you're putting under "blah blah" rap is just what Hip-Hop is NOW. There is no pop rap, there is Hip-Hop, which has had its sound changed and is different from what it was 20 years ago.Â
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I consider Wu Tang Clan a solid example of what hip hop is about.
 So no, T-Pain's beats would not qualify as hip hop, his lyrics would not qualify as hip hop, his subject matter would not qualify as hip hop. These are all according to my definition of hip hop.
So no, T-Pain is not hip hop. He is a pop rap artist. Where is the pop? You did all the work for me; in his lyrics, his videos, his beats, and throw in his persona, all of which revolve religiously around strip clubs and drinking. Pop is catchy and formulaic, as is T-Pain.
And that, as they say, is that.Â
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