OT: 2009 NFL Free Agency/Signings (Jay Cutler Is Traded To Bears For Kyle Orton)

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QB Kerry Collins resigns with Tit ans

The Tennessee Titans reached terms with quarterback Kerry Collins, agreeing on a two-year deal that will keep the 14-year veteran in Tennessee, the team revealed. The deal is for $15 million, including $8.5 million in guaranteed money.

Collins had stated that he was only interested in returning to the Titans as a starter, so the deal could spell trouble for backup Vince Young, who has expressed this offseason that he would like to be the team's No. 1 QB again. Young is signed through 2010, though the Titans hold an option for a sixth year. The team conceivably could keep Young through the end of Collins' new deal and then exercise the option and install Young as the starter in 2011


Broncos signs S Brian Dawkins

The Denver Broncos have signed seven-time Pro Bowl safety Brian Dawkins, who spent his entire 13-year career with the Philadelphia Eagles.

Although Dawkins turns 36 next season and is clearly on the downside of his career, he brings a hard-hitting ****and leadership qualities coveted by new Broncos coach Josh McDaniels.


Tampa Bay Bucs aquire TE Kellen Winslow from the Browns

The spectacular moments were too few. The headaches, too many. Kellen Winslow's five-year run with the Cleveland Browns, a succession of stops, starts and setbacks, is finally over.

Cleveland traded the talented and troublesome former Pro Bowl tight end to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Friday in exchange for draft picks new coach Eric Mangini can use to begin rebuilding the disappointing Browns following a calamitous 2008 season.

The Browns received a second-round pick this year and a fifth-round selection in 2010 for Winslow, whose stay in Cleveland was marked by brilliance, injuries and controversy.


New England Patriots sign RB Fred Taylor

Running back Fred Taylor signed with the New England Patriots on Friday after spending 11 seasons with Jacksonville.

Taylor was cut by the Jaguars in a salary-cup move. He joins a Patriots team seeking depth at running back, with Laurence Maroney having been bothered by injuries for most of his career.


DT Albert Haynesworth gets 41M guarenteed from new team Washington Redskins/DeAngelo Hall resigns with 'Skins

After signing a contract with an NFL-record $41 million in guaranteed money, Albert Haynesworth made a guarantee of his own.

"You're not going to remember Albert Haynesworth as a bust," he said.

That's a tall order, even for a player as talented as Haynesworth. The 27-year-old All-Pro defensive tackle has to live up to the $100 million, seven-year contract he signed Friday with the Washington Redskins, a team that reverted to form by snagging the biggest name available with a blockbuster deal within hours of the midnight start of free agency.

"With the contract, it's going to be all on me," Haynesworth said. "My goal is to be the best player on the field and to eventually get to that Hall of Fame status and be mentioned with Reggie White and Bruce Smith and all the greats."

At least he can claim membership in a championship team-as in champions of the offseason. The Redskins also spent the wee hours re-signing cornerback DeAngelo Hall to a $54 million, six-year deal that includes $22.5 million guaranteed.


Kansas City Chiefs aquire QB Matt Cassel and LB Mike Vrabel from NE Patriots

Matt Cassel, who stepped in for an injured Tom Brady last year and led New England to an 11-5 record, was traded to Kansas City on Saturday with linebacker Mike Vrabel for the Chiefs' second-round draft pick.

Cassel emerged as a solid quarterback in his fourth season with the Patriots after Brady hurt his knee less than eight minutes into the opener against Kansas City and was done for the season. A career backup who hadn't started a game since high school, Cassel threw for 3,693 yards and 21 touchdowns in 15 starts.

The Chiefs, coming off a 2-14 season, sent the 34th pick in April's draft to New England.

While Brady began rehabbing a severe knee injury, which required a second operation because of infection, the Patriots put the franchise tag on Cassel. That meant the team would have to pay him $14.5 million to keep him as insurance.

Scott Pioli, who was hired as the Chiefs' general manager in January after seven years as a Patriots executive, moved swiftly to address one of Kansas City's biggest needs. Tyler Thigpen, a former seventh-round pick who was No. 3 on the depth chart at the beginning of the year, wound up starting most of the time last season. That prompted owner Clark Hunt to change his general manager and coach.

"I have a long history with both players," Pioli said. "Mike and Matt are men that I respect both personally and professionally. I look forward to having them as new members of the Chiefs family."

Vrabel was part of three Super Bowl-winning teams in his eight years with New England, primarily as an outside linebacker.

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You guys may find this helpful

All of the free agent signings, cuts, and re-signings of all 32 teams--as of 6:14 PM EST, today

With that said, the Jets are KILLING free agency right now. Best offseason BY FAR of any team. We just added Bart Scott, and Lito Shephard, we're on the verge of signing Jim Leonhard is about to be signed for our safety position, and our defense looks like this...

DE - Shaun Ellis
NT - Kris Jenkins
DE - Kenyon Coleman
OLB - Calvin Pace
ILB - David Harris
ILB - Bart Scott
OLB - Vernon Gholston or Bryan Thomas
CB - Darelle Revis
FS - Kerry Rhodes
SS - Jim Leonhard
CB - Lito Shephard

Seriously, if we go into the draft with this defense, we're winning at least 10-11 games next season, no matter who's the QB. I really hope we focus on offense during the draft, because our defense is looking set....we just need some depth, and some cheap signings. Our offense is really going to be the problem...hopefully Kellen Clemens is the answer at QB...him + Thomas Jones/Leon Washington + our great offensive line = could very well be servicable. We need to draft a WR in the first round though, no doubt, and not a question in my mind about it. Heyward-Bey, or Kenny Britt would be awesome...hell, even Nicks would look nice in the green and white 8) J-E-T-S baby! 8)

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Im still pissed of we didnt get Albert Haynesworth
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I wanted Dawk to finish his career in Philly:(

Otherwise, I'm glad the Eagles got Stacey Andrews. We needed to shore up the O-line with Thomas & Runyan getting older. I also don't mind that we traded Lito Sheppard cus Joselio Hanson was surprisingly really good as the nickle corner last year.. However, I'm still gonna be very dissapointed if we don't get an impact wide reciever.

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I wanted Dawk to finish his career in Philly:(

Otherwise, I'm glad the Eagles got Stacey Andrews. We needed to shore up the O-line with Thomas & Runyan getting older. I also don't mind that we traded Lito Sheppard cus Joselio Hanson was surprisingly really good as the nickle corner last year.. However, I'm still gonna be very dissapointed if we don't get an impact wide reciever.

-Halftime-

Rumors were going around that y'all can possibly get Marvin Harrison....

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I wanted Dawk to finish his career in Philly:(

Otherwise, I'm glad the Eagles got Stacey Andrews. We needed to shore up the O-line with Thomas & Runyan getting older. I also don't mind that we traded Lito Sheppard cus Joselio Hanson was surprisingly really good as the nickle corner last year.. However, I'm still gonna be very dissapointed if we don't get an impact wide reciever.

-Halftime-

DeSean Jackson could be that impact receiver. He threw up some great numbers last year, and if he can put on a little size in the off-season he should be a good number one receiver. Although another great receiver wouldn't hurt either.

 As far as my team goes, the 49ers have another year of rebuilding to look forward to, so not too much exciting there.

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I wanted Dawk to finish his career in Philly:(

Otherwise, I'm glad the Eagles got Stacey Andrews. We needed to shore up the O-line with Thomas & Runyan getting older. I also don't mind that we traded Lito Sheppard cus Joselio Hanson was surprisingly really good as the nickle corner last year.. However, I'm still gonna be very dissapointed if we don't get an impact wide reciever.

-Halftime-

LOL, you're not getting Housh, or Boldin son. Boldin has already said he's willing to get a contract offer from the Cardinals, and wants to stay in Arizona. Furthermore, he's already under contract for another two years. He's not going anywhere. Housh said he was really interested in you guys, but he pissed you guys off to the point where you guys were no long interested in him :lol: Philly is going down the drain :lol:

And McFlop said he wanted the Eagles to give him more weapons last week, before he signed a contract extension :lol: You guys don't seem to be following that either :lol: 

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smh at the Jags...

not only do they release Drayton Florence and Jerry Porter who we signed to huge contracts a year ago, but we let go Fred Taylor... we're a mess

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smh at the Jags...

not only do they release Drayton Florence and Jerry Porter who we signed to huge contracts a year ago, but we let go Fred Taylor... we're a mess

Orlando_Magic

Neither Florence, or Porter did anything for you guys last year...probably easier to cut your losses early.

Jones-Drew is going to get a contract extension, and I think you guys are probably going to bring in another back to help him out. Taylor's like, 34 now anyways...I think he still has something left in the tank, but not much.

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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]

I wanted Dawk to finish his career in Philly:(

Otherwise, I'm glad the Eagles got Stacey Andrews. We needed to shore up the O-line with Thomas & Runyan getting older. I also don't mind that we traded Lito Sheppard cus Joselio Hanson was surprisingly really good as the nickle corner last year.. However, I'm still gonna be very dissapointed if we don't get an impact wide reciever.

kobegill

Rumors were going around that y'all can possibly get Marvin Harrison....

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]

I wanted Dawk to finish his career in Philly:(

Otherwise, I'm glad the Eagles got Stacey Andrews. We needed to shore up the O-line with Thomas & Runyan getting older. I also don't mind that we traded Lito Sheppard cus Joselio Hanson was surprisingly really good as the nickle corner last year.. However, I'm still gonna be very dissapointed if we don't get an impact wide reciever.

kobegill

Rumors were going around that y'all can possibly get Marvin Harrison....

that would be GREAT...10 years ago
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Actually the Eagles are looking at Tory Holt.

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Appearantly, it may be Reggie Brown and a draft pick for Holt. Not bad. Depends on how big the pick is, but I can't imagine it being more than a conditional pick...maybe anywhere between a 4th and a 6th.

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I would take Torry Holt over Marvin.

Anything is better than Kevin Curtis. I'm still pissed at him dropping that ball on 4th down in the NFC Championship.

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I would take Torry Holt over Marvin.

Anything is better than Kevin Curtis. I'm still pissed at him dropping that ball on 4th down in the NFC Championship.

-Halftime-
im surprised we havnt released greg lewis for dropping that wide open pass that would have been a TD
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I would take Torry Holt over Marvin.

Anything is better than Kevin Curtis. I'm still pissed at him dropping that ball on 4th down in the NFC Championship.

-Halftime-
you eagle fans are a fickle bunch, if your d didnt suck it up it wouldnt have come down to that, how soon you forget that he was the first eagles receiver since TO to have 1000 yds
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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]

I would take Torry Holt over Marvin.

Anything is better than Kevin Curtis. I'm still pissed at him dropping that ball on 4th down in the NFC Championship.

Apocalypse33

you eagle fans are a fickle bunch, if your d didnt suck it up it wouldnt have come down to that, how soon you forget that he was the first eagles receiver since TO to have 1000 yds

Kevin Curtis is terrible, cry me a river.

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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]

I would take Torry Holt over Marvin.

Anything is better than Kevin Curtis. I'm still pissed at him dropping that ball on 4th down in the NFC Championship.

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you eagle fans are a fickle bunch, if your d didnt suck it up it wouldnt have come down to that, how soon you forget that he was the first eagles receiver since TO to have 1000 yds

fans of any philly teams are fickle...it's like a disease, no matter where you're from. It's about as normal for philly fans to be fickle, as it is for the Yankees to wear pinstripes :P
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Why did they release T.O.! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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If the Vikings don't make a move for someone I'm gonna FREAK.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Why did they release T.O.! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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If the Vikings don't make a move for someone I'm gonna FREAK. Improbus
you need to chill we got rid of matt birk and got sage rosenfels, sounds like super bowl bound to me.
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[QUOTE="Improbus"]If the Vikings don't make a move for someone I'm gonna FREAK. TheBigTicket21
you need to chill we got rid of matt birk and got sage rosenfels, sounds like super bowl bound to me.

I thought Birk was pretty good...idk how he's played recently though...is he overrated?
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Why did they release T.O.! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

kobegill

He's brought you guys 0 wins in the playoffs....maybe he's the reason why you guys have no chemistry.

It could be other guys, but it could be T.O....who knows. Besides I think Roy Williams is more than capable of being a #1 receiver....hell, you guys gave up a 1st and a 3rd for him (ridiculous trade BTW)

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im not saying TO is a saint, but bc of his prior history he was used as a scapegoat for the cowboys recent struggles, last year when they went 13-3 he was a model player and defended his quarterback throwing away the playoff game, Romo gets not heat, hes good but struggles in big spots, so i wish TO the best, the cowboys have much more problems than TO but he just got the blame
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cowboys are gonna suck ass next year book it
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Also Torry Holt asked for his release if the Eagles dont pick him up then im done with this post franchise. They Make steve kerr look amazing
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[QUOTE="Improbus"]If the Vikings don't make a move for someone I'm gonna FREAK. TheBigTicket21
you need to chill we got rid of matt birk and got sage rosenfels, sounds like super bowl bound to me.

I hope so man - were gonna be good there is no doubt. I  just wanted that extra big time player to put us over the top.  

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Owens inks 1-year, $6.5M deal with Bills

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- Terrell Owens needed only two days to find another place to play.

The Buffalo Bills decided to take a chance on the talented but high-maintenance receiver, signing Owens to a $6.5 million, one-year deal Saturday. ESPN.com's John Clayton broke the story on Saturday.

Source: ESPN.com

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[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="Improbus"]If the Vikings don't make a move for someone I'm gonna FREAK. Colt45fool
you need to chill we got rid of matt birk and got sage rosenfels, sounds like super bowl bound to me.

I thought Birk was pretty good...idk how he's played recently though...is he overrated?

sarcasm/
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Matt Jones :|

The Jags really need an offensive lineman in the draft but I wouldn't be suprised if we got Crabtree if he's still there, Maclin, or Percy Harvin:?

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Matt Jones :|

The Jags really need an offensive lineman in the draft but I wouldn't be suprised if we got Crabtree if he's still there, Maclin, or Percy Harvin:?

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lol and jones was actually good last year
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Matt Jones :|

The Jags really need an offensive lineman in the draft but I wouldn't be suprised if we got Crabtree if he's still there, Maclin, or Percy Harvin:?

Orlando_Magic

The Jags are like self-imploding atm :lol::lol::lol:

Seriously, you guys are going to be the butt of the AFC South next season + Del Rio will be fired. Book it.

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Broncos agree to trade Cutler to Chicago Bears

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP)-Jay Cutler got his wish Thursday: a ticket out of Denver. And the Chicago Bears have a franchise quarterback for the first time in decades.

The Broncos on Thursday traded their disgruntled Pro Bowl passer to the Bears, who've gone through a bevy of quarterbacks without much success ever since Jim McMahon was calling plays in the 1980s.

The Broncos get quarterback Kyle Orton in return, along with two first-round draft picks and a third-rounder.

The Broncos get the Bears' top pick in this year's draft, which is No. 18 overall, and Chicago's first-round draft pick in 2010, along with a third-round selection this year (No. 84 overall). Denver also gave up a fifth-rounder this year.

Calls to Cutler's agent, Bus Cook, went unanswered. His office in Hattiesberg, Miss., was closed because of bad weather and his home phone had a message asking callers to call back later. An e-mail sent by The Associated Press wasn't returned.

Cutler asked for a trade last month after his relationship with Josh McDaniels soured when the new 32-year-old coach talked to other teams about trading him. Cutler and his agent didn't think McDaniels was upfront with them about the trade talks.

Two meetings designed to clear the air only raised Cutler's level of distrust. Still, McDaniels insisted over and over that Cutler was his guy and he said at last week's NFL owners meetings that he would do everything he could to repair their relationship.

When the rocket-armed but thin-skinned passer didn't return the Broncos' phone calls, however, team owner Pat Bowlen said enough was enough. On Tuesday night, he announced he had given his new brain trust of McDaniels and general manager Brian Xanders the go-ahead to seek a trade for the quarterback who made the Pro Bowl in just his second season as a starter.

Now, the Bears have a top quarterback, albeit one with baggage.

"I don't have any concerns," Bears general manager Jerry Angelo said. "(Coach Lovie Smith) and I talked about that. We did, like a lot of people who were interested in Jay, a lot of work going back to not just when he was with Denver (but) but going back to his days at Vanderbilt."

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Jared Allen is going to kill Cutler.
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Jared Allen is going to kill Cutler.TheBigTicket21
but the vikings will still lose
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[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]Jared Allen is going to kill Cutler.NetYankEagle
but the vikings will still lose

you think cutler is going to make the difference? :lol: He doesn't have one real WR. Devin hester can sprint down field and maybe  catch one.

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[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]Jared Allen is going to kill Cutler.TheBigTicket21

but the vikings will still lose

you think cutler is going to make the difference? :lol: He doesn't have one real WR. Devin hester can sprint down field and maybe  catch one.

The Bears receivers are underrated really. Rasheid David, Devin Hester, and Brandon Lloyd played a lot better than most people think...and all 3 were pretty servicable for Kyle Orton's 87+ QB rating in the beginning of the season. Greg Olsen, and Desmond Clark are still there as TEs, plus that O-Line is going to be better with rookie Chris Williams finally being able to start, and Orlando Pace getting signed yesterday. Matt Forte is also a monster RB, whom contributed to 60% of the  Bears offense, and was BY FAR the most important rookie of any team. Cutler's really got an underrated supporting cast when you think about it. 

Albeit, it's not comparable to what Denver had, but if the Bears can draft a WR in the 2nd round (or heck, if they can move up and try to take Britt) that could be a legitimate offense for the next couple of years. They just better hope that defense doesn't continue to age.

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[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]

[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]Jared Allen is going to kill Cutler.Colt45fool

but the vikings will still lose

you think cutler is going to make the difference? :lol: He doesn't have one real WR. Devin hester can sprint down field and maybe  catch one.

The Bears receivers are underrated really. Rasheid David, Devin Hester, and Brandon Lloyd played a lot better than most people think...and all 3 were pretty servicable for Kyle Orton's 87+ QB rating in the beginning of the season. Greg Olsen, and Desmond Clark are still there as TEs, plus that O-Line is going to be better with rookie Chris Williams finally being able to start, and Orlando Pace getting signed yesterday. Matt Forte is also a monster RB, whom contributed to 60% of the  Bears offense, and was BY FAR the most important rookie of any team. Cutler's really got an underrated supporting cast when you think about it. 

Albeit, it's not comparable to what Denver had, but if the Bears can draft a WR in the 2nd round (or heck, if they can move up and try to take Britt) that could be a legitimate offense for the next couple of years. They just better hope that defense doesn't continue to age.

are you being serious? his WR's are f***** garbage, is this Colt talking about a team he doesnt know anything about agian. brandon lloyd is mr. dropitrightinthehands, andrashied davis is a no. 4 receiver on most teams. I like how you say their wr's are all underrated when a rb outcatched them all last year. greg olsen is ok.
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[QUOTE="Colt45fool"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]

[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]Jared Allen is going to kill Cutler.TheBigTicket21

but the vikings will still lose

you think cutler is going to make the difference? :lol: He doesn't have one real WR. Devin hester can sprint down field and maybe  catch one.

The Bears receivers are underrated really. Rasheid David, Devin Hester, and Brandon Lloyd played a lot better than most people think...and all 3 were pretty servicable for Kyle Orton's 87+ QB rating in the beginning of the season. Greg Olsen, and Desmond Clark are still there as TEs, plus that O-Line is going to be better with rookie Chris Williams finally being able to start, and Orlando Pace getting signed yesterday. Matt Forte is also a monster RB, whom contributed to 60% of the  Bears offense, and was BY FAR the most important rookie of any team. Cutler's really got an underrated supporting cast when you think about it. 

Albeit, it's not comparable to what Denver had, but if the Bears can draft a WR in the 2nd round (or heck, if they can move up and try to take Britt) that could be a legitimate offense for the next couple of years. They just better hope that defense doesn't continue to age.

are you being serious? his WR's are f***** garbage, is this Colt talking about a team he doesnt know anything about agian. brandon lloyd is mr. dropitrightinthehands, andrashied davis is a no. 4 receiver on most teams. I like how you say their wr's are all underrated when a rb outcatched them all last year. greg olsen is ok.

No, I had Lloyd, Clark, Davis, and Hester on my FF teams last year, and monitored a lot of their offense throughout the season. Davis, and Lloyd were waiver wire pick ups, while Clark, and Hester were drafted to my team in drafts that I didn't participate in.

Lloyd was actually pretty great the first four games, until he got hurt. Davis and Hester were pretty solid when they got acclimated to their new roles--Davis especially when Lloyd went down. Clark has been solid for years, and I've often used him as a waiver wire pick up in previous years. Forte is just a beast in general.

I'm not saying they're good, and I'm not saying they're great. But they're definitely servicable. Lloyd, Davis, and Hester are #3 receivers (Hester could develop into a solid #2 receiver with how he played last year), but with two solid receiving TE's, a productive RB, and a draft pick this should be a solid bunch to throw to. The offensive line is questionable, but they've got a rookie 1st round LT coming back from injury, Orlando Pace whom gave up 2 sacks in 14 starts last season was just signed, Olin Kreutz is still there at Center, and I don't really know about either of their guards (though looking at the stats, both were solid in pass protection) but Cutler does have some tools to work with on offense.

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I like the deal for both teams. Bears finally get a QB and the Broncos get a ton in return. I do think Denver got the better end of the deal though.
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I like the deal for both teams. Bears finally get a QB and the Broncos get a ton in return. I do think Denver got the better end of the deal though.Orlando_Magic
The potential of those draft picks is just insane...I personally wouldn't want to make the deal, but it's definitely solid compensation for a franchise QB. If the Jets traded two 1sts, a QB, and a 3rd for Cutler I couldn't complain about it, but it makes you wonder about all of the young talent you're giving up.

If you give the draft picks names, on a team that knows what they're doing on draft day, it's really an insane looking trade. Looking at how the Jets draft, this could have been a deal involving Nick Mangold (1st round, 2006)/Darelle Revis (1st round, 2007)/Anthony Schlegel (3rd round, 2006)/Kellen Clemens

To me, giving those draft picks names just makes it all the more upsetting...especially if your team drafts well...and Revis/Mangold have proven to be top 5 at their position in such a short amount of time, whilst Clemens has a ton of potential (Schlegel is out of the league as far as I know.)

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[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="Colt45fool"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]

[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]Jared Allen is going to kill Cutler.Colt45fool

but the vikings will still lose

you think cutler is going to make the difference? :lol: He doesn't have one real WR. Devin hester can sprint down field and maybe  catch one.

The Bears receivers are underrated really. Rasheid David, Devin Hester, and Brandon Lloyd played a lot better than most people think...and all 3 were pretty servicable for Kyle Orton's 87+ QB rating in the beginning of the season. Greg Olsen, and Desmond Clark are still there as TEs, plus that O-Line is going to be better with rookie Chris Williams finally being able to start, and Orlando Pace getting signed yesterday. Matt Forte is also a monster RB, whom contributed to 60% of the  Bears offense, and was BY FAR the most important rookie of any team. Cutler's really got an underrated supporting cast when you think about it. 

Albeit, it's not comparable to what Denver had, but if the Bears can draft a WR in the 2nd round (or heck, if they can move up and try to take Britt) that could be a legitimate offense for the next couple of years. They just better hope that defense doesn't continue to age.

are you being serious? his WR's are f***** garbage, is this Colt talking about a team he doesnt know anything about agian. brandon lloyd is mr. dropitrightinthehands, andrashied davis is a no. 4 receiver on most teams. I like how you say their wr's are all underrated when a rb outcatched them all last year. greg olsen is ok.

No, I had Lloyd, Clark, Davis, and Hester on my FF teams last year, and monitored a lot of their offense throughout the season. Davis, and Lloyd were waiver wire pick ups, while Clark, and Hester were drafted to my team in drafts that I didn't participate in.

Lloyd was actually pretty great the first four games, until he got hurt. Davis and Hester were pretty solid when they got acclimated to their new roles--Davis especially when Lloyd went down. Clark has been solid for years, and I've often used him as a waiver wire pick up in previous years. Forte is just a beast in general.

I'm not saying they're good, and I'm not saying they're great. But they're definitely servicable. Lloyd, Davis, and Hester are #3 receivers (Hester could develop into a solid #2 receiver with how he played last year), but with two solid receiving TE's, a productive RB, and a draft pick this should be a solid bunch to throw to. The offensive line is questionable, but they've got a rookie 1st round LT coming back from injury, Orlando Pace whom gave up 2 sacks in 14 starts last season was just signed, Olin Kreutz is still there at Center, and I don't really know about either of their guards (though looking at the stats, both were solid in pass protection) but Cutler does have some tools to work with on offense.



that's exactly what your vision of the bears wr's is, a fantasy.

FF doesn't account for dropped balls, i can drop two balls, and on third down forte runs for 10, and next time i might catch one, ff has no bearing on whether a team is good or not. lloyd and davis are scrubs, i see them play all the time, hester and olsen are servicable at best. the only reason you think clark is good, is because he gets thrown at 3 times a game when they're by the endzone, and he manages to catch one.
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that's exactly what your vision of the bears wr's is, a fantasy.

FF doesn't account for dropped balls, i can drop two balls, and on third down forte runs for 10, and next time i might catch one, ff has no bearing on whether a team is good or not. lloyd and davis are scrubs, i see them play all the time, hester and olsen are servicable at best. the only reason you think clark is good, is because he gets thrown at 3 times a game when they're by the endzone, and he manages to catch one.TheBigTicket21
How is it that a TE that has 40 catches four of the last six seasons, two of those seasons he was the #2 TE and still had 40 catches, not a solid TE? Desmond Clark is solid, he's like a young Chris Baker--good hands, servicable blocker.

And BTW before you deem the Bears receivers complete scrubs, you might be interested to know that Bernard Berrian had more drops than every single Bears receiver except Rashied Davis (they both had 7.) Your boy Bobby Wade was also only one behind with 6 drops. Not that the Vikings receivers have anything to do with how good/bad the Bears receivers are, but the Bears receivers, like I said earlier, really aren't that bad. They're a bunch of #3 receivers, and the TEs Olsen, and Clark are solid receiving options in their own right. Matt Forte is still a beast, and the O-Line should be servicable next season, plus Chicago should be able to get a solid receiver in the 2nd round (which if you remember, the Broncos drafted Eddie Royal in the 2nd round, and he caught 90 balls last season.) You can overlook the other things I'm throwing out there for the third straight post, or you can respond to them if you like, since having all-star receivers isn't the only thing that Jay Cutler will need to be successful in Chicago.

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Oh, and as for your "I think Clark is good because he receives TDs" argument, Desmond Clark had 1 TD this season. Likewise, Brandon Lloyd and Rashied Davis had 2 TDs, and Hester had 3. None of these guys were TD machines, and the only one that had a solid amount for fantasy was Olsen, whom had 5.
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[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]

that's exactly what your vision of the bears wr's is, a fantasy.

FF doesn't account for dropped balls, i can drop two balls, and on third down forte runs for 10, and next time i might catch one, ff has no bearing on whether a team is good or not. lloyd and davis are scrubs, i see them play all the time, hester and olsen are servicable at best. the only reason you think clark is good, is because he gets thrown at 3 times a game when they're by the endzone, and he manages to catch one.Colt45fool

How is it that a TE that has 40 catches four of the last six seasons, two of those seasons he was the #2 TE and still had 40 catches, not a solid TE? Desmond Clark is solid, he's like a young Chris Baker--good hands, servicable blocker.

And BTW before you deem the Bears receivers complete scrubs, you might be interested to know that Bernard Berrian had more drops than every single Bears receiver except Rashied Davis (they both had 7.) Your boy Bobby Wade was also only one behind with 6 drops. Not that the Vikings receivers have anything to do with how good/bad the Bears receivers are, but the Bears receivers, like I said earlier, really aren't that bad. They're a bunch of #3 receivers, and the TEs Olsen, and Clark are solid receiving options in their own right. Matt Forte is still a beast, and the O-Line should be servicable next season, plus Chicago should be able to get a solid receiver in the 2nd round (which if you remember, the Broncos drafted Eddie Royal in the 2nd round, and he caught 90 balls last season.) You can overlook the other things I'm throwing out there for the third straight post, or you can respond to them if you like, since having all-star receivers isn't the only thing that Jay Cutler will need to be successful in Chicago.



i never said the vikings had good wr's, we don't, and yes i'm going to continue to ignore your argument about the o-line, because i have continued to tell you that the bears wr suck, and that has been my only point throughout. I guess drops and not being able to get open are different, my mistake. they're a bunch of #3 WR's exactly my point, not one of them is a decent #1 or #2 WR. last year at Denver, Cutler had a clear 1,2 and 3 Marshall, Royal, and Stokely, Now Imagine him having a team of 3 stokely's an overstatement for lloyd.

 

my mistake on clark, i just figured he had scored more td's, since you had him on your ff team, i mean a guy who gets maybe 3 points a game wasnt on my winning team.

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Heh, I won one of my leagues, placed 2nd in another, 9th in the Lounge league, and was 4th in two others. The one I placed 2nd in, was the one I had Clark 8)

I was looking at my teams though, and it seems like Davis, and Lloyd didn't make it on my final rosters :lol: Not surprising though, since Lloyd was pretty useless after week 4...I held on to him while he was injured, hoping he would come back in full force...then he just dissapointed, and it made Rashied's play even worse after a nice stretch. Meh.

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Heh, I won one of my leagues, placed 2nd in another, 9th in the Lounge league, and was 4th in two others. The one I placed 2nd in, was the one I had Clark 8)

I was looking at my teams though, and it seems like Davis, and Lloyd didn't make it on my final rosters :lol: Not surprising though, since Lloyd was pretty useless after week 4...I held on to him while he was injured, hoping he would come back in full force...then he just dissapointed, and it made Rashied's play even worse after a nice stretch. Meh.

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[QUOTE="Colt45fool"]

Heh, I won one of my leagues, placed 2nd in another, 9th in the Lounge league, and was 4th in two others. The one I placed 2nd in, was the one I had Clark 8)

I was looking at my teams though, and it seems like Davis, and Lloyd didn't make it on my final rosters :lol: Not surprising though, since Lloyd was pretty useless after week 4...I held on to him while he was injured, hoping he would come back in full force...then he just dissapointed, and it made Rashied's play even worse after a nice stretch. Meh.

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thank you for admitting to being wrong.

I didn't really admit to being wrong. My argument is that Cutler has an underrated supporting cast, and I stand by that. His receivers are obviously the weak link in the equation though, and there's no denying that. Like I said before, they're a bunch of #3 receivers....however you interpret that is up to you :P
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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- The New York Giants released Super Bowl hero Plaxico Burress on Friday, a little more than four months after the talented but troubled wide receiver accidentally shot himself in the thigh in a New York City nightclub.

Burress' four-year tenure with the Giants was highlighted by a game-winning touchdown catch in the Super Bowl against the previously undefeated New England Patriots in February 2008, but it was also dogged by fines and suspensions.

Burress' status has been uncertain since he shot himself in the thigh on Nov. 29 with an unlicensed gun he'd stuffed into his waistband. He faces a felony weapons charge that could put him in prison for at least 3½ years if convicted.

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accidentally shot himself in the thigh

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ahahahahahaha:lol:

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Good move by NY.... Plax ain't playing football this season.