Swagger Like Us - Jay Z, Kanye West, Lil Wayne & T.I. [off Paper Trails]

I had high hope when I heard about the song yesterday but now I hear it and it's mad wack...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRqQ3Ds-goc

Thanks for the heads up, I updated the link to a youtube video.

... and for the song, if Kanye and Wayne didn't use AutoTune on this song, it would have been so much better.

The verses aren't that bad alone. It's the M.I.A. sample beat that kills it for me though.

Yeah, M.I.A is annoyingjubjub13

and my jew-elz, blue and yellow
the type of **** that make em call you Carmelo

and my jew-elz, blue and yellow
the type of **** that make em call you Carmelo

Orlando_Magic

Wayne:

Noone on the corner has swagger like moi, Chuch!
but im too clean for the choir
I require what i desire/I got stripes addidas
Mami scream papi no mas
Run up in yo **** just me no moss
Runnin this **** like I got four thighs
Noone has swagger like this four guys
When it comes to **** I got several
Sharper than a swagger dagger all metal
and my Jew-elz blue and yellow
type of **** that make em call you Carmelo
Rules as follows stay true to the ghetto
Write yo name on the bullet make u feel special
HA! What the **** you boys talking about?
I know its us cuz we the only thing you talk about!

Jay-Z:

Gotta bop like this cant wear skinny jeans
cuz my knots dont fit
Noone on the corner gotta pocket like this
So i rock roc jeans cuz my knots so thick
You can learn how to dress just by
jocking my fresh
jocking jocking my fresh
jocking jocking my fresh
Follow my steps its the road to success
Where the n**** think you're thoro and the girls say "Yes"
but i cant teach u my swag
You can pay for school, but you cant buy c***s
School of hard knocks, im a grad
in that all blue yankee, its my graduation cap
HOOOOOOOOVVVVAAA
Dipping different rovas
Whipping with the soda
HOOOOOOOOVVVVAAA
Did you even have any doubt(?)

[QUOTE="jubjub13"]Yeah, M.I.A is annoyingdfnj123

I want to slap M.I.A.-Halftime-

paper planes is the **** though,

kanye is lame for being down with autotone. for real.Colt45fool

I concur.

I actually like this beat but they all could have better verses. It will probably grow on me.

kanye is lame for being down with autotone. for real.Colt45fool

Yeah, M.I.A is annoying, they should have got Wayne (also kind of annoying) or Jay to do the chorus and just used that beat. Im still pissed about the voice machines man. If I was a rapper, I would join up with Papoose to wage a war against auto tune users, myspace gangsta's and youtube thugs. 8)jubjub13

haha, I know man. If I ever hear E-40, or, moreover, Turf Talk using that ****, I dunno man, I think I'm done with rap.

Especially when I'm hearing people debating whether or not Kanye and Lil Wayne are "using it well" ... ****, I think what you're really debating is whether or not it makes them sound horrible or not. There's really no use for this thing in rap music ... do you guys understand what rapping is? You're not supposed to have a range of tones in your voice, otherwise you'd be a sanger. ****, if that's what you want, go listen to some Ja Rule or something. In the meantime I'm just gonna play some UGK.

I want to slap M.I.A.-Halftime-

kala was the ish. i love M.I.A

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]I want to slap M.I.A.Thatonedude

kala was the ish. i love M.I.A

though the voice sample in Swagger Like Us is a bit overused in the track.

[QUOTE="jubjub13"]Yeah, M.I.A is annoying, they should have got Wayne (also kind of annoying) or Jay to do the chorus and just used that beat. Im still pissed about the voice machines man. If I was a rapper, I would join up with Papoose to wage a war against auto tune users, myspace gangsta's and youtube thugs. 8)IsThisIt_basic

haha, I know man. If I ever hear E-40, or, moreover, Turf Talk using that ****, I dunno man, I think I'm done with rap.

Especially when I'm hearing people debating whether or not Kanye and Lil Wayne are "using it well" ... ****, I think what you're really debating is whether or not it makes them sound horrible or not. There's really no use for this thing in rap music ... do you guys understand what rapping is? You're not supposed to have a range of tones in your voice, otherwise you'd be a sanger. ****, if that's what you want, go listen to some Ja Rule or something. In the meantime I'm just gonna play some UGK.

[QUOTE="IsThisIt_basic"]

[QUOTE="jubjub13"]Yeah, M.I.A is annoying, they should have got Wayne (also kind of annoying) or Jay to do the chorus and just used that beat. Im still pissed about the voice machines man. If I was a rapper, I would join up with Papoose to wage a war against auto tune users, myspace gangsta's and youtube thugs. 8)fat_rob

haha, I know man. If I ever hear E-40, or, moreover, Turf Talk using that ****, I dunno man, I think I'm done with rap.

Especially when I'm hearing people debating whether or not Kanye and Lil Wayne are "using it well" ... ****, I think what you're really debating is whether or not it makes them sound horrible or not. There's really no use for this thing in rap music ... do you guys understand what rapping is? You're not supposed to have a range of tones in your voice, otherwise you'd be a sanger. ****, if that's what you want, go listen to some Ja Rule or something. In the meantime I'm just gonna play some UGK.

I realize that; I'm saying, keep it to a limit. The only times you really should be using other pitches is on emphasized words and on the chorus. Plus, most rappers do actually rap at just one pitch throughout most or all of the song; Doom is just an exaggerated case of this. With Autotune half of these dudes are trying to hit notes one or two octaves out of their rapping range ... that's not what I want to hear.

[QUOTE="Colt45fool"]kanye is lame for being down with autotone. for real.fat_rob

"Lollipop Remix" was kinda lame...catchy, but I wish they didn't use the autotone...."My Life" should have been done without it...

Wow.

Paper Planes song is everywhere now.

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]I want to slap M.I.A.eightball88

paper planes is the **** though,

[QUOTE="IsThisIt_basic"]

[QUOTE="jubjub13"]Yeah, M.I.A is annoying, they should have got Wayne (also kind of annoying) or Jay to do the chorus and just used that beat. Im still pissed about the voice machines man. If I was a rapper, I would join up with Papoose to wage a war against auto tune users, myspace gangsta's and youtube thugs. 8)fat_rob

haha, I know man. If I ever hear E-40, or, moreover, Turf Talk using that ****, I dunno man, I think I'm done with rap.

Especially when I'm hearing people debating whether or not Kanye and Lil Wayne are "using it well" ... ****, I think what you're really debating is whether or not it makes them sound horrible or not. There's really no use for this thing in rap music ... do you guys understand what rapping is? You're not supposed to have a range of tones in your voice, otherwise you'd be a sanger. ****, if that's what you want, go listen to some Ja Rule or something. In the meantime I'm just gonna play some UGK.

Wow.

Paper Planes song is everywhere now.

muffincakes87

My 2 cents, I like my music, whatever genre to be self-expression as long as it isn't wack. Rappers should have their own style and constantly tweak it. Whether it be tone, speed or whatever. Rappers should have some sort of Variety, it adds to the entertainment factor and adds longevity as well.

Not everybody wants to hear the flowless IT or monotone MF DOOM all the time.

eeeek!

Not everybody wants to hear the flowless IT or monotone MF DOOM all the time.

Gun_Haze

[QUOTE="Gun_Haze"]

Not everybody wants to hear the flowless IT or monotone MF DOOM all the time.

iHeartCali

everytime doom i sbrought up i will say hoe cakes and SOOPA!!!

[QUOTE="iHeartCali"][QUOTE="Gun_Haze"]

Not everybody wants to hear the flowless IT or monotone MF DOOM all the time.

everytime doom i sbrought up i will say hoe cakes and SOOPA!!!

[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="IsThisIt_basic"]

[QUOTE="jubjub13"]Yeah, M.I.A is annoying, they should have got Wayne (also kind of annoying) or Jay to do the chorus and just used that beat. Im still pissed about the voice machines man. If I was a rapper, I would join up with Papoose to wage a war against auto tune users, myspace gangsta's and youtube thugs. 8)Gun_Haze

haha, I know man. If I ever hear E-40, or, moreover, Turf Talk using that ****, I dunno man, I think I'm done with rap.

Especially when I'm hearing people debating whether or not Kanye and Lil Wayne are "using it well" ... ****, I think what you're really debating is whether or not it makes them sound horrible or not. There's really no use for this thing in rap music ... do you guys understand what rapping is? You're not supposed to have a range of tones in your voice, otherwise you'd be a sanger. ****, if that's what you want, go listen to some Ja Rule or something. In the meantime I'm just gonna play some UGK.

Trust this, slugger, I know squat about rap.

But let me use an example, here, since I don't really think you guys are getting this. I just listened to Jay-Z's "Song Cry" off of "The Blueprint". I wasn't paying super close attention, but I'm pretty sure Jay doesn't change his pitch once in that track. Is anyone going to argue that this is a bad song? Lacking in emotion? No.

You see, the reason so many people are so quick to point out Doom's monotone is actually because of two factors - his voice and his delivery. I wouldn't doubt that most people here don't have a lot of formal music training, so I'm sure what a lot of you guys are confusing pitch with is actually delivery. Trust this, get me 100 rap acapellas and run them through a specral analyzer; I bet 99 of them are going to be one concrete pitch throughout.

According to your logic, "real rap" shouldn't be monotone, so have fun listening to "real rap" like Nelly and Ja Rule buddy.

Now, please don't be a broad and bail on me here, PLEASE tell me how I'm wrong here. I'm dying to know. Give me some real concrete proof that I'm wrong.

[QUOTE="Gun_Haze"][QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="IsThisIt_basic"]

[QUOTE="jubjub13"]Yeah, M.I.A is annoying, they should have got Wayne (also kind of annoying) or Jay to do the chorus and just used that beat. Im still pissed about the voice machines man. If I was a rapper, I would join up with Papoose to wage a war against auto tune users, myspace gangsta's and youtube thugs. 8)IsThisIt_basic

haha, I know man. If I ever hear E-40, or, moreover, Turf Talk using that ****, I dunno man, I think I'm done with rap.

Especially when I'm hearing people debating whether or not Kanye and Lil Wayne are "using it well" ... ****, I think what you're really debating is whether or not it makes them sound horrible or not. There's really no use for this thing in rap music ... do you guys understand what rapping is? You're not supposed to have a range of tones in your voice, otherwise you'd be a sanger. ****, if that's what you want, go listen to some Ja Rule or something. In the meantime I'm just gonna play some UGK.

Trust this, slugger, I know squat about rap.

But let me use an example, here, since I don't really think you guys are getting this. I just listened to Jay-Z's "Song Cry" off of "The Blueprint". I wasn't paying super close attention, but I'm pretty sure Jay doesn't change his pitch once in that track. Is anyone going to argue that this is a bad song? Lacking in emotion? No.

You see, the reason so many people are so quick to point out Doom's monotone is actually because of two factors - his voice and his delivery. I wouldn't doubt that most people here don't have a lot of formal music training, so I'm sure what a lot of you guys are confusing pitch with is actually delivery. Trust this, get me 100 rap acapellas and run them through a specral analyzer; I bet 99 of them are going to be one concrete pitch throughout.

According to your logic, "real rap" shouldn't be monotone, so have fun listening to "real rap" like Nelly and Ja Rule buddy.

Now, please don't be a broad and bail on me here, PLEASE tell me how I'm wrong here. I'm dying to know. Give me some real concrete proof that I'm wrong.

This thread is stupid. NOTHING is wrong with one pitch throughout a whole song. It's been working for 20+ years, why stop it now? :?

Why would you wanna listen to robotronic voices in the first place boggles the mind.

[QUOTE="Gun_Haze"][QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="IsThisIt_basic"]

[QUOTE="jubjub13"]Yeah, M.I.A is annoying, they should have got Wayne (also kind of annoying) or Jay to do the chorus and just used that beat. Im still pissed about the voice machines man. If I was a rapper, I would join up with Papoose to wage a war against auto tune users, myspace gangsta's and youtube thugs. 8)IsThisIt_basic

haha, I know man. If I ever hear E-40, or, moreover, Turf Talk using that ****, I dunno man, I think I'm done with rap.

Especially when I'm hearing people debating whether or not Kanye and Lil Wayne are "using it well" ... ****, I think what you're really debating is whether or not it makes them sound horrible or not. There's really no use for this thing in rap music ... do you guys understand what rapping is? You're not supposed to have a range of tones in your voice, otherwise you'd be a sanger. ****, if that's what you want, go listen to some Ja Rule or something. In the meantime I'm just gonna play some UGK.

Trust this, slugger, I know squat about rap.

But let me use an example, here, since I don't really think you guys are getting this. I just listened to Jay-Z's "Song Cry" off of "The Blueprint". I wasn't paying super close attention, but I'm pretty sure Jay doesn't change his pitch once in that track. Is anyone going to argue that this is a bad song? Lacking in emotion? No.

You see, the reason so many people are so quick to point out Doom's monotone is actually because of two factors - his voice and his delivery. I wouldn't doubt that most people here don't have a lot of formal music training, so I'm sure what a lot of you guys are confusing pitch with is actually delivery. Trust this, get me 100 rap acapellas and run them through a specral analyzer; I bet 99 of them are going to be one concrete pitch throughout.

According to your logic, "real rap" shouldn't be monotone, so have fun listening to "real rap" like Nelly and Ja Rule buddy.

Now, please don't be a broad and bail on me here, PLEASE tell me how I'm wrong here. I'm dying to know. Give me some real concrete proof that I'm wrong.

The song is Produced by Kanye and will be on "The Blueprint 3"

***vomits***

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1593422/20080823/t_i_.jhtml

Owned? :lol: like I care. He's most likely imposing his "knowledge" on me, while it may be correct doesn't do anything to what I already know and what his problem is.

So, have fun. Listen to your crap and I listen to mine.

Nelly and JaRule? ROFL riiiiiight.

Owned? :lol: like I care. He's most likely imposing his "knowledge" on me, while it may be correct doesn't do anything to what I already know and what his problem is.

So, have fun. Listen to your crap and I listen to mine.

Nelly and JaRule? ROFL riiiiiight.

Gun_Haze

Now, please don't be a broad and bail on me here, PLEASE tell me how I'm wrong here. I'm dying to know. Give me some real concrete proof that I'm wrong.

IsThisIt_basic

Answa teh qwestion plz.

[QUOTE="Gun_Haze"]

Owned? :lol: like I care. He's most likely imposing his "knowledge" on me, while it may be correct doesn't do anything to what I already know and what his problem is.

So, have fun. Listen to your crap and I listen to mine.

Nelly and JaRule? ROFL riiiiiight.

Black-Demon

Now, please don't be a broad and bail on me here, PLEASE tell me how I'm wrong here. I'm dying to know. Give me some real concrete proof that I'm wrong.

IsThisIt_basic

Answa teh qwestion plz.

I can't agree with that and he can't disagree to it. So we agree to disagree.

[QUOTE="Black-Demon"][QUOTE="Gun_Haze"]

Owned? :lol: like I care. He's most likely imposing his "knowledge" on me, while it may be correct doesn't do anything to what I already know and what his problem is.

So, have fun. Listen to your crap and I listen to mine.

Nelly and JaRule? ROFL riiiiiight.

Gun_Haze

Now, please don't be a broad and bail on me here, PLEASE tell me how I'm wrong here. I'm dying to know. Give me some real concrete proof that I'm wrong.

IsThisIt_basic

Answa teh qwestion plz.

I can't agree with that and he can't disagree to it. So we agree to disagree.

What the hell? That is the dumbest logic I have ever heard ... why would I ever want to disagree with it?

[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="IsThisIt_basic"]

[QUOTE="jubjub13"]Yeah, M.I.A is annoying, they should have got Wayne (also kind of annoying) or Jay to do the chorus and just used that beat. Im still pissed about the voice machines man. If I was a rapper, I would join up with Papoose to wage a war against auto tune users, myspace gangsta's and youtube thugs. 8)Gun_Haze

haha, I know man. If I ever hear E-40, or, moreover, Turf Talk using that ****, I dunno man, I think I'm done with rap.

Especially when I'm hearing people debating whether or not Kanye and Lil Wayne are "using it well" ... ****, I think what you're really debating is whether or not it makes them sound horrible or not. There's really no use for this thing in rap music ... do you guys understand what rapping is? You're not supposed to have a range of tones in your voice, otherwise you'd be a sanger. ****, if that's what you want, go listen to some Ja Rule or something. In the meantime I'm just gonna play some UGK.

well obviously rappers do change the pitch of their voice when they rap, otherwise when kanye and lil wayne rapped with autotune it wouldnt sound all garbled.Constrobuz

No, I don't think you understand how Autotune works. You can either rap/sing monotone and use a keyboard to play the notes you "want" to sing, or you can sing the notes and play one long note with the keyboard. Either way, it's a carrier being ran through a modulator. If you set the correction speed to an excessive amount and play notes far out of your pitch, it creates that exaggerated, garbled sound (because it has to go from one pitch to such a different pitch in so little time). Now, I guess I didn't really need to explain all of that, but the point is, it really doesn't matter if you're using different pitches in your singing/rapping, the warbling sound is because of how quick the correction speed is going into effect. The only way to really offset this is to really know what notes to play on the keyboard, and, as far as I can tell, T-Pain is really the only one so far who seems to have any clue what he's doing.

But, while I'm at it, let me go back and clear one thing up; I realized earlier today that I did explain things kinda wrong earlier. When you call Doom "monotone", just look at that word - mono-tone. One tone. Tone is not the same thing as pitch. There's a reason why, when you play the same note and same pitch on a trumpet and then a piano, that it sounds different. It's because of the instrument's "tone". They are both playing the exact same pitch, right down to the frequency, but it's their "tonal" quality that seperates a trumpet from a piano. For a rapper, tone is determined mostly by, as I said earlier, your voice and your delivery. The point is that almost all rappers rap with one pitch throughout the song; the difference between them and Doom is that most of them vary their tone (E-40 comes to mind).

Now, don't me wrong; I'm not saying rappers should never use different pitches in their rap; Jay-Z used it to good effect on some of his older mainstream hits; this is just a long-winded argument that Autotune has no place in rap, especially when the people using it have no idea what they're doing.