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First off, and most importantly: The 8 Diagrams exists, and it's already reached some stage of completion, though RZA apparently is still tinkering with it. By all accounts, the album will be ready by the planned November 13 release date, and hopefully the reanimated SRC/Loud label won't push it back anymore. This whole thing is almost impossible to believe, but there it is. Since the release of Iron Flag almost six years ago, nobody's been willing to do anything but tentatively hope for a new Wu-Tang group album. Ol' Dirty Bastard died, the remaining members publicly squabbled amongst themselves, and the entire group had a tough time reuniting for a large-scale tour without at least one member going AWOL at least some of the time. The group signed a one-album deal with SRC late last year, but I can't imagine anyone really fully believed that it would happen. It's happening. Earlier this afternoon, Wu-Tang's publicists set up a listening session for whichever bits and pieces of the album that RZA didn't mind letting us hear. In the fourth-floor screening room in an unobtrusive West Village hotel, a bunch of music writers got together today to hear snippets of eight songs: some as short as one verse, others covering what sounded like just about an entire song. The whole thing was only about twenty minutes long, and I have no idea how representative of the whole those twenty minutes will turn out to be. Maybe they cherry-picked the best individual moments and maybe they just grabbed a bunch of random shards; either one would be well in keeping with Wu-Tang tradition. But I sat and listened to those twenty minutes three times in a row, and I could've done it all day if I didn't have to get back to the office to write it up. If those twenty minutes are any real indication, and I hope to God they are, The 8 Diagrams is going to be a hell of an album.

The preliminary reports on the album were a bit dubious. In one interview, RZA talked about how Raekwon had made fun of him and Method Man for making "some Black Eyed Peas ****," and most of the stories anticipating the album mentioned one song where the Red Hot Chili Peppers' John Frusciante and George Harrison's son Dhani would play guitar on a cover of the Beatles' "While My Guitar Gently Weeps." I don't know if I heard that Black Eyed Peas-esque song today (probably not), but I did hear most of the song with Frusciante and Harrison; the tracklist I got called it "My People Gently Weep," but in his taped intro, RZA himself either called it "The Needle Gently Weeps" or "The Beatle Gently Weeps." Or maybe he actually was saying "the people"; RZA can be tough to understand. Whatever, doesn't matter. The song is amazing, mostly because it sounds like a Wu-Tang song rather than like a ****c-rock crossover-attempt. The guitars are there, but they're drowned in the murky, off-key mix, buried under a Fender Rhodes that itself sounds like it's underwater. And Ghostface is on it; the song faded out before his verse was over, but what I heard was an emotional, vividly rendered story about (seriously) going grocery-shopping at Pathmark and spilling milk on his pants.

That brings me to another great thing about The 8 Diagrams: Ghost is on it. Ghost has no-showed some recent Wu-Tang shows, and there have been plenty of rumors that he hasn't been getting along with the rest of the group, that he wouldn't have any verses on the album. But he appears on three of the eight songs I heard, and he's in top form. Actually, everyone is in top form. Raekwon sounds as hard and opaque as he ever has. Method Man has stopped playing the clown, sinking back into the gravelly menacing energy that made him so compelling in the first place. The ODB dedication "Life Changes" could've come off maudlin and cheap if these guys did maudlin and cheap. Instead, it's a touching piece of work, grief-stricken but level-headed. GZA's verse, where he talks about recording in the studio where ODB died, hit me especially hard: "I cried like a baby on my way to his place of death / Hate not being there the moments before he left." And the second-string guys all come hard as ****, some of them (Inspectah Deck on "Watch Your Mouth," U-God on "Wolves") spitting the best verses I've heard from them in years. For the first time in a long time, every last member of the group has something to prove, and it shows.

Maybe even more importantly, The 8 Diagrams actually sounds like a Wu-Tang album. It's dark and swampy and eerie and gothic and mysterious and heady in a way that, say, Iron Flag wasn't. I don't know if RZA produced the whole thing or not, but all the tracks I heard certainly sounded like RZA tracks: creepy minor-key horror-movie strings, broken pianos, shuffling head-crack drum-loops, ghostly vocal samples, chanted choruses, kung-fu movie dialogue, clashing sword sound-effects, the whole thing. It's not catchy, not at all, but it absorbs. According to one publicist, Cappadonna and Street Life both get verses on the album, but there are no non-Wu guest-rappers. One song, though, immediately jumped out, partly because there's barely any rapping on it. "They Want to Stick Me For My Riches" is an amazing pseudo-reggae soul song with only one rap verse (Meth: "Since mama held me in her arms to tell me / That it's a cold world, I always packed heat"). The rest of the time, some singer wails intense and paranoid personal-memoir **** about coming up hard and poor and desperate; lush strings well up at all the right moments, but RZA keeps the sound low-key and dark and evil the whole time. Nobody from the group was at the listening session, and none of the publicists could tell me who the singer was. In a way, that's almost better. The Wu-Tang Clan should be mysterious and inaccessible; they should be able to bring in some incredible guest-singer without actually letting anyone know who that singer is. The 8 Diagrams sounds like an album out of time, and I have no idea how they expect it to do in a commercial marketplace that's become unrecognizable since the time these guys were able to sneak past the gatekeepers and become unlikely pop stars. But **** it: it's a thrill to hear these guys, every last one of these guys, get back to the stuff they do best, markets be damned. If this album hits stores sounding anything like what I heard today, it'll be a gift to a lot of people who have waited a long time.
http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/archives/2007/09/the_wutang_clan.php

George Harrison's son Dhani and funk legend George Clinton are among the guests on the Wu-Tang Clan's first album in six years, "The 8 Diagrams," due Nov. 13 via Wu Music Group/Loud/SRC/Universal.

Billboard.com previewed eight unmastered tracks from the project today (Sept. 7), including "My People Gently Weeps," which features Harrison and an interpolation of the Beatles' "While My Guitar Gently Weeps." Clinton pops up on the fast, old-school-sounding "Wolves," a showcase for group member U-God.

Producer RZA's trademark dark, symphonic samples are at the core of "Weak Spot" and "Thug World," the latter of which also features a number of his memorable lyrics ("I love my b*tches like Chachi loved Joanie / f*cked 200 p*ssies but I still feel lonely").

Raekwon adds grit to "Watch Your Mouth" ("I'm from a boulevard where n*ggers get jacked and peed on"), while Method Man is showcased on the soulful head-nodder "They Want To Stick Me for My Riches." On "Take It Back," the group raps about reasserting its hip-hop dominance, with Method Man noting, "Before you even had a name, you was screaming Wu-Tang."

As previously reported, the album includes a tribute to the late Ol' Dirty Bastard, "Life Changes," highlighted by heartfelt couplets from GZA: "Now I'm in the booth 10 feet from where he lay dead / I think about him on this song and what he might have said."

Having just completed a summer tour on Monday at Seattle's Bumbershoot festival, Wu-Tang is expected to play additional shows before the end of the year in support of the new album. Ghostface Killah will also be on the road in October and November with the Hip Hop Live! Tour, featuring Rakim, Brother Ali and the Rhythm Roots All Stars.
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003637044


Vulture just got back from a listening session for 8 Diagrams, the first new Wu-Tang Clan studio album since 2001's Iron Flag, which is optimistically scheduled for a November 13 release. It was 22 minutes of raw, unmixed goodness, spread over ten tracks, which were handpicked from the forthcoming LP by WTC leader RZA. No one particular song geeked us out as much as the head-chopping posse cut "9 Milli Bros," from Ghostface's 2006 album Fishscale, the last time we heard all these dudes together, but, then again, the dark, sad, and borderline-paranoiac selections that we did hear all bode well for a concrete-hard, pissed-off Wu-Tang release.

A few hits and misses:

1. The much-anticipated (?) "As My Guitar Gently Weeps" sample shows up on a song titled - at least for now - "My People Gently Weep." Apparently the final track list isn't set yet; if that's true, let's hope the Wu wise up and drop this clunker.

2. The cinematic "Thug World" was a highlight; ominous synths rise and drop into sharp strings, and RZA manages to be both soul-baring and profane in the span of a single lyric: "Love my *****es like Chachi loves Joanie / **** 200 **** and still feel lonely."

3. "Life Changes," the ODB tribute, is likely to get a lot of attention. The Clan take turns sharing memories of their flamboyant fallen comrade. Shockingly non-sappy.

4. "Wolves," a head-swerving track that recalls Iron Flag's "Uzi (Pinky Ring)," is the obvious single. Not even Wu-Tang's ugly stepchild U-God can screw this one up. -Amos Barshad
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2007/09/we_just_heard_the_new_wutang_c.html

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I haven't heard much wu-tang but i'm gonna get this album. C.R.E.A.M. was one of the only songs i heard from them but if they have anything like that on this album im not going to regreat buying it,
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I haven't heard much wu-tang but i'm gonna get this album. C.R.E.A.M. was one of the only songs i heard from them but if they have anything like that on this album im not going to regreat buying it,elcamino72

Your noob is showing. Go get 36 Chambers.

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[QUOTE="elcamino72"]I haven't heard much wu-tang but i'm gonna get this album. C.R.E.A.M. was one of the only songs i heard from them but if they have anything like that on this album im not going to regreat buying it,MellowMight

Your noob is showing. Go get 36 Chambers.

Ok what ever you say O great one:roll:

Sience when have i known you?

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[QUOTE="MellowMight"]

[QUOTE="elcamino72"]I haven't heard much wu-tang but i'm gonna get this album. C.R.E.A.M. was one of the only songs i heard from them but if they have anything like that on this album im not going to regreat buying it,elcamino72

Your noob is showing. Go get 36 Chambers.

Ok what ever you say O great one:roll:

Sience when have i known you?

Since you claimed to not have listened to 36 Chambers.

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#6 elcamino72
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What?

I never have heard 36 chambers. I heard C.R.E.A.M. and Gravel Pit and some other songs thats not wu-tang but some of thier members like B.I.B.L.E. and M-E-T-H-O-D man. So cause i've never heard 36 chambers I'm a noob?

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#7 Rudi-Johnson
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What?

I never have heard 36 chambers. I heard C.R.E.A.M. and Gravel Pit and some other songs thats not wu-tang but some of thier members like B.I.B.L.E. and M-E-T-H-O-D man. So cause i've never heard 36 chambers I'm a noob?

elcamino72

it doesnt single handedly make you a noob....

it just contributes to your noobyism...and if your noobyism level gets too high...then sadly your a noob

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#8 elcamino72
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[QUOTE="elcamino72"]

What?

I never have heard 36 chambers. I heard C.R.E.A.M. and Gravel Pit and some other songs thats not wu-tang but some of thier members like B.I.B.L.E. and M-E-T-H-O-D man. So cause i've never heard 36 chambers I'm a noob?

Rudi-Johnson

it doesnt single handedly make you a noob....

it just contributes to your noobyism...and if your noobyism level gets too high...then sadly your a noob

So is my noob level to high? I thought i've been here long enough. I guess if i have to ask that question then i am. Stop making me question myself! But naw i don't think im a noob anymore.

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#9 Rudi-Johnson
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[QUOTE="Rudi-Johnson"][QUOTE="elcamino72"]

What?

I never have heard 36 chambers. I heard C.R.E.A.M. and Gravel Pit and some other songs thats not wu-tang but some of thier members like B.I.B.L.E. and M-E-T-H-O-D man. So cause i've never heard 36 chambers I'm a noob?

elcamino72

it doesnt single handedly make you a noob....

it just contributes to your noobyism...and if your noobyism level gets too high...then sadly your a noob

So is my noob level to high? I thought i've been here long enough. I guess if i have to ask that question then i am. Stop making me question myself! But naw i don't think im a noob anymore.

Oh I have no clue if you is a noob...I is just stating the facts

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[QUOTE="elcamino72"][QUOTE="MellowMight"]

[QUOTE="elcamino72"]I haven't heard much wu-tang but i'm gonna get this album. C.R.E.A.M. was one of the only songs i heard from them but if they have anything like that on this album im not going to regreat buying it,murdamuzik

Your noob is showing. Go get 36 Chambers.

Ok what ever you say O great one:roll:

Sience when have i known you?

Since you claimed to not have listened to 36 Chambers.

:o Murdaaa Murdaaa is back.
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You just need to broaden what you listen to, thats kind of sad that you only heard 3 songs from them...there is a reason people still talk about 36 Chambers today.

And even though Tech N9ne is standing outside Arrowhead stadium, the guy has had 2 good songs in his career. Take him out your cd player and pop in some Wu.

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You just need to broaden what you listen to, thats kind of sad that you only heard 3 songs from them...there is a reason people still talk about 36 Chambers today.

And even though Tech N9ne is standing outside Arrowhead stadium, the guy has had 2 good songs in his career. Take him out your cd player and pop in some Wu.

mowz00

3things

1.Tech N9ne is one of my favorite rappers thats not going to change and

2.Ive heard those three that i metind plus

Wu banga

4th chamber

Zoo york

Bang bang

da rocwilder

the What

It might not be much but thats what i've heard and all of thoose songs have at least one member of wu on it.

3. I am trying to broden my musical hights. I'm gonna try to get illmatic this week and i might get liqued swords soon. I mostly download stuff though. Thats why i only heard C.R.E.A.M. and nothing else of 36 chambers

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#13 elcamino72
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You just need to broaden what you listen to, thats kind of sad that you only heard 3 songs from them...there is a reason people still talk about 36 Chambers today.

And even though Tech N9ne is standing outside Arrowhead stadium, the guy has had 2 good songs in his career. Take him out your cd player and pop in some Wu.

mowz00

Also just qurious what are thoose 2 songs you think are good?

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I'm really hoping 8 diagrams is good. I'm not expecting a great album but if it's above average I'll be happy.
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[QUOTE="mowz00"]

You just need to broaden what you listen to, thats kind of sad that you only heard 3 songs from them...there is a reason people still talk about 36 Chambers today.

And even though Tech N9ne is standing outside Arrowhead stadium, the guy has had 2 good songs in his career. Take him out your cd player and pop in some Wu.

elcamino72

3things

1.Tech N9ne is one of my favorite rappers thats not going to change and

2.Ive heard those three that i metind plus

Wu banga

4th chamber

Zoo york

Bang bang

da rocwilder

the What

It might not be much but thats what i've heard and all of thoose songs have at least one member of wu on it.

3. I am trying to broden my musical hights. I'm gonna try to get illmatic this week and i might get liqued swords soon. I mostly download stuff though. Thats why i only heard C.R.E.A.M. and nothing else of 36 chambers

dowload triumph and you won't be dissapointed

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Guys stop fighting! :cry::P
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Guys stop fighting! :cry::PAljosa23

whos fighting?

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Guys stop fighting! :cry::Pelcamino72

whos fighting?

Notice the ":P" at the end.
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Did he just say B.I.B.L.E. was a person? :| gtfo nub
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Did he just say B.I.B.L.E. was a person? :| gtfo nub Giangio
Lmfao I doubt elCamino would go THAT far...:lol:
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[QUOTE="Giangio"]Did he just say B.I.B.L.E. was a person? :| gtfo nub HighPowered94
Lmfao I doubt elCamino would go THAT far...:lol:

If he did thenthis has the potential to be a 100+ post thread :P.
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Did he just say B.I.B.L.E. was a person? :| gtfo nub Giangio

It was a grammer typo.

I ment i've heard songs by there other members. The songs were

B.I.B.L.E. and M-E-T-H-O-D man. Plus that whole other list i had.

And ya aljosa i noticed that:P just figure i'd ask.

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[QUOTE="Giangio"]Did he just say B.I.B.L.E. was a person? :| gtfo nub HighPowered94
Lmfao I doubt elCamino would go THAT far...:lol:

omg I think he did :(

alright well NVM....im gonna give you the benefit of the doubt....I do hope for your sake that you didnt think it was a person....

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^^read the post just above you.
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[QUOTE="HighPowered94"][QUOTE="Giangio"]Did he just say B.I.B.L.E. was a person? :| gtfo nub Rudi-Johnson

Lmfao I doubt elCamino would go THAT far...:lol:

omg I think he did :(

alright well NVM....im gonna give you the benefit of the doubt....I do hope for your sake that you didnt think it was a person....

If it means anything i know it means basic instuctions befor leaving earth.

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[QUOTE="Rudi-Johnson"]

[QUOTE="HighPowered94"][QUOTE="Giangio"]Did he just say B.I.B.L.E. was a person? :| gtfo nub elcamino72

Lmfao I doubt elCamino would go THAT far...:lol:

omg I think he did :(

alright well NVM....im gonna give you the benefit of the doubt....I do hope for your sake that you didnt think it was a person....

If it means anything i know it means basic instuctions befor leaving earth.

Actually, it means "Basic Instructions BeforE Leaving Earth." :P

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I hope to god this is a solid album.
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If it means anything i know it means basic instuctions befor leaving earth.

elcamino72
Good Spelling.
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[QUOTE="elcamino72"]

If it means anything i know it means basic instuctions befor leaving earth.

HighPowered94
Good Spelling.

HP, You stay owning elcamino :lol::P
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Highly anticipated, that Beatles track sounds interesting.
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[QUOTE="MellowMight"]

[QUOTE="elcamino72"]I haven't heard much wu-tang but i'm gonna get this album. C.R.E.A.M. was one of the only songs i heard from them but if they have anything like that on this album im not going to regreat buying it,elcamino72

Your noob is showing. Go get 36 Chambers.

Ok what ever you say O great one:roll:

Sience when have i known you?

You dont need to know me. Just rub off that noob with some 36 Chambers.

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[QUOTE="mowz00"]

You just need to broaden what you listen to, thats kind of sad that you only heard 3 songs from them...there is a reason people still talk about 36 Chambers today.

And even though Tech N9ne is standing outside Arrowhead stadium, the guy has had 2 good songs in his career. Take him out your cd player and pop in some Wu.

elcamino72

3things

1.Tech N9ne is one of my favorite rappers thats not going to change and

2.Ive heard those three that i metind plus

Wu banga

4th chamber

Zoo york

Bang bang

da rocwilder

the What

It might not be much but thats what i've heard and all of thoose songs have at least one member of wu on it.

3. I am trying to broden my musical hights. I'm gonna try to get illmatic this week and i might get liqued swords soon. I mostly download stuff though. Thats why i only heard C.R.E.A.M. and nothing else of 36 chambers

:lol: Tech N9ne :lol: Well, that's understandable since your music collection consists of about 10 songs from a total of about 3 artists.

lmfao, wtf is zoo york? and most of those songs u listened aren't wu-tang songs. They're hiphop songs featuring a MEMBER off the Wu-Tang. Nice try though...

hahaha, you haven't even listened to illmatic yet :lol:

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#33 TheMastahLink
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Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu! The Wu-Tang Clan is here to save us all!
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#34 TheMastahLink
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[QUOTE="elcamino72"][QUOTE="mowz00"]

You just need to broaden what you listen to, thats kind of sad that you only heard 3 songs from them...there is a reason people still talk about 36 Chambers today.

And even though Tech N9ne is standing outside Arrowhead stadium, the guy has had 2 good songs in his career. Take him out your cd player and pop in some Wu.

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1.Tech N9ne is one of my favorite rappers thats not going to change and

2.Ive heard those three that i metind plus

Wu banga

4th chamber

Zoo york

Bang bang

da rocwilder

the What

It might not be much but thats what i've heard and all of thoose songs have at least one member of wu on it.

3. I am trying to broden my musical hights. I'm gonna try to get illmatic this week and i might get liqued swords soon. I mostly download stuff though. Thats why i only heard C.R.E.A.M. and nothing else of 36 chambers

:lol: Tech N9ne :lol: Well, that's understandable since your music collection consists of about 10 songs from a total of about 3 artists.

lmfao, wtf is zoo york? and most of those songs u listened aren't wu-tang songs. They're hiphop songs featuring a MEMBER off the Wu-Tang. Nice try though...

hahaha, you haven't even listened to illmatic yet :lol:

^^^^^^^^^^LMAO :lol:

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#35 elpooz
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Ill most likely be getting this...Im more interested in the new Nas album though