180+ Dead After Bombings in Baghdad

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/18/iraq.main/index.html

No day of mourning. No candlelight vigils. No Facebook groups for these victims. Just a shallow grave tonight and the promise of more bloodshed tomorrow. Our news media is a joke.

it is unfortunate but not only the media but our minds follow the words of Stalin:

"One death is a tragedy; a million a statistic." 

"In times of peace, make ready for war" seems to be the idea that we've been getting for years. Now it's just icing on this deviously developed cake.

It's been this way for awhile you know... you're kind of late.EboyLOL

I know! Four years and people stilldon't give a ****. :|

The media tells us what to think. That is why most lightly-informed Americans favor the Israeli side, but I'm rooting for the Palestinians. easteast

The media tells us what to think. That is why most lightly-informed Americans favor the Israeli side, but I'm rooting for the Palestinians. easteast

I don't think that is a valid example...

Let us not forget the 80 killed and 200+ injured over the weekend.

I was watching CBC News Today and was appalled that they anchor put more emphasis on the fact that Cho spent time in a mental institution and harassed two females then ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY ****ING DEATHS!

One of the anchors was talking to a guy from the NY Times who was in Baghdad around one of the explosions and the police commissioner he was talking to shrugged and said "it happens every day."

This media frenzy surrounding this shooting is appalling.
foxhound_fox

there is a difference between war zones and a school, these things happen in war, hell I could say why are you reporting on this and not a war going on in africa which probably claimed more, most news stations don't even report on this stuff.

there is a difference between war zones and a school, these things happen in war, hell I could say why are you reporting on this and not a war going on in africa which probably claimed more, most news stations don't even report on this stuff.mark4091

[QUOTE="easteast"]The media tells us what to think. That is why most lightly-informed Americans favor the Israeli side, but I'm rooting for the Palestinians. lemonfreshpanda

Why are we talking about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

People don't care because they're not rich.

Life only holds value if that life involves money.

The death of a single person (Anna Nicole...) receives weeks of coverage and our undaunted and unwavering attention.  Her life is a story.  It has a beginning, a conflict, and an end.

Iraq is just a conflict with no end.  The lives lost never began as far as we're concerned.  They are nothing more than statistical data...cold statistical data.

[QUOTE="mark4091"]there is a difference between war zones and a school, these things happen in war, hell I could say why are you reporting on this and not a war going on in africa which probably claimed more, most news stations don't even report on this stuff.foxhound_fox

yeah you know what you're right iraqs a nice place that does not see much violence.........NO there are a bunch of lunatics there and a military force therfore it is a war zone

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="mark4091"]there is a difference between war zones and a school, these things happen in war, hell I could say why are you reporting on this and not a war going on in africa which probably claimed more, most news stations don't even report on this stuff.mark4091

yeah you know what you're right iraqs a nice place that does not see much violence.........NO there are a bunch of lunatics there and a military force therfore it is a war zone

yeah you know what you're right iraqs a nice place that does not see much violence.........NO there are a bunch of lunatics there and a military force therfore it is a war zonemark4091

They don't matter to people because they aren't white and they aren't American.Account_27

Vtech is the worst shooting in U.S History, the bombings are the worst in the past three months.

The fact isn't that we are self-centered, it's that we've been paying attention to Iraq for the past four years.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/18/iraq.main/index.html

No day of mourning. No candlelight vigils. No Facebook groups for these victims. Just a shallow grave tonight and the promise of more bloodshed tomorrow. Our news media is a joke.

HupHupOranje

First question is, what are you doing here if it affects you so much?  Shouldn't you be in Iraq trying to help them?  Or posting articles about the 1000's dying in Africa?

Next, use your head.  It's completely clear why a mass murder in a college in a civilized nation is going to be covered more than people dying in a warzone in a third world country.  Maybe if you were more educated, like the people in VT, you'd comprehend why this shooting is so disturbing and needs to be studied so we can prevent more people like them from dying.   

[QUOTE="HupHupOranje"]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/18/iraq.main/index.html

No day of mourning. No candlelight vigils. No Facebook groups for these victims. Just a shallow grave tonight and the promise of more bloodshed tomorrow. Our news media is a joke.

trifecta_basic

First question is, what are you doing here if it affects you so much? Shouldn't you be in Iraq trying to help them? Or posting articles about the 1000's dying in Africa?

Next, use your head. It's completely clear why a mass murder in a college in a civilized nation is going to be covered more than people dying in a warzone in a third world country. Maybe if you were more educated, like the people in VT, you'd comprehend why this shooting is so disturbing and needs to be studied so we can prevent more people like them from dying.

if u care so much about VT shouldnt u be coming up with solutions and stop acting like lives can be compared on a scale, they cant, a death is a death and innocent people shouldnt die period it doesnt matter if they not "civilized". 

[QUOTE="trifecta_basic"][QUOTE="HupHupOranje"]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/18/iraq.main/index.html

No day of mourning. No candlelight vigils. No Facebook groups for these victims. Just a shallow grave tonight and the promise of more bloodshed tomorrow. Our news media is a joke.

Cesb02

First question is, what are you doing here if it affects you so much? Shouldn't you be in Iraq trying to help them? Or posting articles about the 1000's dying in Africa?

Next, use your head. It's completely clear why a mass murder in a college in a civilized nation is going to be covered more than people dying in a warzone in a third world country. Maybe if you were more educated, like the people in VT, you'd comprehend why this shooting is so disturbing and needs to be studied so we can prevent more people like them from dying.

if u care so much about VT shouldnt u be coming up with solutions and stop acting like lives can be compared on a scale, they cant, a death is a death and innocent people shouldnt die period it doesnt matter if they not "civilized".

You are talking to the wrong person, that thread maker is the one using scales implying since 180 people were killed it should have more media coverage than an incident because of the body count.  It's appaling to me and it's why I replied.  Especially since it's clear if 5 or 10 people in Iraq were killed this topic creator wouldn't bat an eye because he wouldn't have any ammo for his BS. 

First question is, what are you doing here if it affects you so much? Shouldn't you be in Iraq trying to help them? Or posting articles about the 1000's dying in Africa?

Next, use your head. It's completely clear why a mass murder in a college in a civilized nation is going to be covered more than people dying in a warzone in a third world country. Maybe if you were more educated, like the people in VT, you'd comprehend why this shooting is so disturbing and needs to be studied so we can prevent more people like them from dying.

trifecta_basic

There is nothing disturbing about this shooting. Murder by firearm is more frequent in America than any other "developed" country. Calling me uneducated is completely unfounded and rude - you should avoid ad hominem attacks as they make you look kinda arrogant. Your first question is strange. It's likely that I would do more good speaking out about the war than trying to grab an AK and fighting there myself (I'm not much of a good shot anyway). I could've posted the article about Sudan. Or Congo. Or Rwanda. Or Sierra Leone. Or maybe the government-sanctioned murders in Oaxaca and Atenco in Mexico? Hell there are loads of situations out there that are a great deal more violent and inhumane than the VTech shootings...but I can't fit all that in one post. :|

I still just can't understand how ANYONE would think they're doing this, killing their own people innocent people, is the right thing to do or what god would want.

What the hell is thing world turning into? :(

[QUOTE="trifecta_basic"]

First question is, what are you doing here if it affects you so much? Shouldn't you be in Iraq trying to help them? Or posting articles about the 1000's dying in Africa?

Next, use your head. It's completely clear why a mass murder in a college in a civilized nation is going to be covered more than people dying in a warzone in a third world country. Maybe if you were more educated, like the people in VT, you'd comprehend why this shooting is so disturbing and needs to be studied so we can prevent more people like them from dying.

HupHupOranje

There is nothing disturbing about this shooting. Murder by firearm is more frequent in America than any other "developed" country. Calling me uneducated is completely unfounded and rude - you should avoid ad hominem attacks as they make you look kinda arrogant. Your first question is strange. It's likely that I would do more good speaking out about the war than trying to grab an AK and fighting there myself (I'm not much of a good shot anyway). I could've posted the article about Sudan. Or Congo. Or Rwanda. Or Sierra Leone. Or maybe the government-sanctioned murders in Oaxaca and Atenco in Mexico? Hell there are loads of situations out there that are a great deal more violent and inhumane than the VTech shootings...but I can't fit all that in one post. :|

Oh boy, this is the whole reason I avoid these type of discussions on the internet like the plague.  Your linear a>b>c argument is annoying and offensive at once.  If you don't find this shooting disturbing then I don't know what to say.  So you are saying in order to fit your defenition of disturbing at least 100's need to die and a gun can't be used in the killing since it's used so often.  Seriously, you simply don't get it.  

Wow, more Iraqi's killing their own citizens.

One is involved in a on going insurgency in a WARZONE.  The other is a freak envent and biggest shooting in US history. 

Saying one deserves more coverage of body count is sickening, considering More people are dying in Africa and Somalia than Iraq.  Hypocrit.

Oh boy, this is the whole reason I avoid these type of discussions on the internet like the plague. Your linear a>b>c argument is annoying and offensive at once. If you don't find this shooting disturbing then I don't know what to say. So you are saying in order to fit your defenition of disturbing at least 100's need to die and a gun can't be used in the killing since it's used so often. Seriously, you simply don't get it.

trifecta_basic

This is not about which is worse, this about why the media covers one and not the other. Must Americans die before a story is considered news-worthy? That is the question I'm asking.

[QUOTE="mark4091"]yeah you know what you're right iraqs a nice place that does not see much violence.........NO there are a bunch of lunatics there and a military force therfore it is a war zonefoxhound_fox

No I understand perfectly fine, infact I can see that you are just being a little pain in the *** because there are far worse than both these incidents going on,(look to africa) and iraq is a war zone, when something happens in an area of post secondary education it is quite alarming, this sort of thing happens in a war zone, I know to survive in one maybe people should not crown in a market when these things happen every freaken day.

Wow, more Iraqi's killing their own citizens.

One is involved in a on going insurgency in a WARZONE. The other is a freak envent and biggest shooting in US history.

Saying one deserves more coverage of body count is sickening, considering More people are dying in Africa and Somalia than Iraq. Hypocrit.

Donkey_Puncher

That is to say...

A war which was unnecessary and unjustified is more important than murder was that uneccesessary and unjustified. One is less shocking.

Let the Iraqis mourn for their own. It's a sad day when any life is lost, but we have our own tragedy to deal with. Do you think the Iraqis care about the VT shooting?murlow12

If they had media system that dicated what you cared about they would.

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

Wow, more Iraqi's killing their own citizens.

One is involved in a on going insurgency in a WARZONE. The other is a freak envent and biggest shooting in US history.

Saying one deserves more coverage of body count is sickening, considering More people are dying in Africa and Somalia than Iraq. Hypocrit.

Hexum-311

That is to say...

A war which was unnecessary and unjustified is more important than murder was that uneccesessary and unjustified. One is less shocking.

I have been against the war since the very beginning of it, but now it's not Iraqi's dying from americans, it's Iraqis killing themselves. 

Nearly every attack is directed at civilians from insurgents. This isn't a war the US can win now, simply because the country is being destabilizing itself from the inside out by it's OWN PEOPLE, not the US.

Sadly, news like this is so common place in the new now.  The VT killings are across headlines simply because it's out of the ordinary, and it was at a college, not in a warzone in Iraq.

There is a huge difference.

[QUOTE="Hexum-311"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

Wow, more Iraqi's killing their own citizens.

One is involved in a on going insurgency in a WARZONE. The other is a freak envent and biggest shooting in US history.

Saying one deserves more coverage of body count is sickening, considering More people are dying in Africa and Somalia than Iraq. Hypocrit.

Donkey_Puncher

That is to say...

A war which was unnecessary and unjustified is more important than murder was that uneccesessary and unjustified. One is less shocking.

I have been against the war since the very beginning of it, but now it's not Iraqi's dying from americans, it's Iraqis killing themselves.

Nearly every attack is directed at civilians from insurgents. This isn't a war the US can win now, simply because the country is being destabilizing itself from the inside out by it's OWN PEOPLE, not the US.

Sadly, news like this is so common place in the new now. The VT killings are across headlines simply because it's out of the ordinary, and it was at a college, not in a warzone in Iraq.

There is a huge difference.

There is no difference between what a mother feels from the loss of a child; be it in America or Iraq.  The only reason we feel there is a difference is because we are influenced in ways we don't realize. 

There is no difference between what a mother feels from the loss of a child; be it in America or Iraq.  The only reason we feel there is a difference is because we are influenced in ways we don't realize. 

Hexum-311

No one is arguing about an Iraqi Life or an American life weighing more than another.  What can't you get through your thick skull? 

We're talking about news, not grief.  One event is way out of the ordinary i.e. Mass killin at a school.  One is a mass killing in a warzone which hasn't changed for the past few years.  Which do you think people are going to be more shocked by?

What would be bigger news,  the assassination of the president or a bomb going off in Iraq killing 10 people?  Going by your logic the bomb should seeing as the body count it higher. 

Most people can draw a difference between the two. 

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="Hexum-311"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

Wow, more Iraqi's killing their own citizens.

One is involved in a on going insurgency in a WARZONE. The other is a freak envent and biggest shooting in US history.

Saying one deserves more coverage of body count is sickening, considering More people are dying in Africa and Somalia than Iraq. Hypocrit.

Hexum-311

That is to say...

A war which was unnecessary and unjustified is more important than murder was that uneccesessary and unjustified. One is less shocking.

I have been against the war since the very beginning of it, but now it's not Iraqi's dying from americans, it's Iraqis killing themselves.

Nearly every attack is directed at civilians from insurgents. This isn't a war the US can win now, simply because the country is being destabilizing itself from the inside out by it's OWN PEOPLE, not the US.

Sadly, news like this is so common place in the new now. The VT killings are across headlines simply because it's out of the ordinary, and it was at a college, not in a warzone in Iraq.

There is a huge difference.

There is no difference between what a mother feels from the loss of a child; be it in America or Iraq.  The only reason we feel there is a difference is because we are influenced in ways we don't realize. 

no, there is no difference, but I'd still rather watch the news about vtech because a.) it's closer to home (I live in VA), and b.) we've heard the same thing from Iraq everyday, unfortunate as it may be.

[QUOTE="Hexum-311"]

There is no difference between what a mother feels from the loss of a child; be it in America or Iraq. The only reason we feel there is a difference is because we are influenced in ways we don't realize.

Donkey_Puncher

No one is arguing about an Iraqi Life or an American life weighing more than another. What can't you get through your thick skull?

We're talking about news, not grief. One event is way out of the ordinary i.e. Mass killin at a school. One is a mass killing in a warzone which hasn't changed for the past few years. Which do you think people are going to be more shocked by?

What would be bigger news, the assassination of the president or a bomb going off in Iraq killing 10 people? Going by your logic the bomb should seeing as the body count it higher.

Most people can draw a difference between the two.

The assassination would be caused by the bombs going off in Iraq.

Seperation is an illusion. 

Don't worry, the republicans in Washington will be sure to keep us there in Iraq so that we can see more tragic events like this....hooray......yoshi-lnex

This would have happened even if we withdrew a year ago.

Don't worry, the republicans in Washington will be sure to keep us there in Iraq so that we can see more tragic events like this....hooray......yoshi-lnex

I'd give it until last 2008 until we're out of there.

The media tells us what to think. That is why most lightly-informed Americans favor the Israeli side, but I'm rooting for the Palestinians. easteast

What does this have to do with Baghdad? Which is the capital city of Iraq. 

[QUOTE="easteast"]The media tells us what to think. That is why most lightly-informed Americans favor the Israeli side, but I'm rooting for the Palestinians. -Karayan-

What does this have to do with Baghdad? Which is the capital city of Iraq.

Because the popular opinion is that Humans can be divided into groups.  That opinion is reinforced by the media. 

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]

[QUOTE="easteast"]The media tells us what to think. That is why most lightly-informed Americans favor the Israeli side, but I'm rooting for the Palestinians. Hexum-311

What does this have to do with Baghdad? Which is the capital city of Iraq.

Because the popular opinion is that Humans can be divided into groups. That opinion is reinforced by the media.

[QUOTE="Hexum-311"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"]

[QUOTE="easteast"]The media tells us what to think. That is why most lightly-informed Americans favor the Israeli side, but I'm rooting for the Palestinians. KrayzieJ

What does this have to do with Baghdad? Which is the capital city of Iraq.

Because the popular opinion is that Humans can be divided into groups. That opinion is reinforced by the media.

Human thought is divided into groups in order to provide mental homeostasis.  Compartmentalizing patterns of behavior, skintone, thought, religion,  or otherwise, provides an easier cognitive experience.  Understanding without understanding is what we seek.  The media makes that experience more accessible by removing the opportunity for interpretive thought.

Their interpretation is our reality. 

The media tells us what to think. That is why most lightly-informed Americans favor the Israeli side, but I'm rooting for the Palestinians. easteast

Personally, I want a peaceful compromise that will allow both sides to live in peace.

Its a sad day. The Insurrgents have been watching American news and knew exactly how to hurt the current administration. The surge in troops had resulted in a reduction in violence in Baghdad. Now thats gone.

RIP 

[QUOTE="murlow12"]Let the Iraqis mourn for their own. It's a sad day when any life is lost, but we have our own tragedy to deal with. Do you think the Iraqis care about the VT shooting?Hexum-311

If they had media system that dicated what you cared about they would.