2012 election - first time both candidates have Catholic running mates

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Well I guess here's something you can say if you want to appear smart. The current election in the United States is the first election in which both major vice-presidential candidates (Joe Biden and Paul Ryan) are Catholic.

Also of note Pope Benedict XVI has a 74% approval rating and the bishops of the United States have a 70% approval rating among American Catholics, I bet Biden and Ryan wished they had those approval ratings (then the election would be over if one ticket had that much support).

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My brain is so full of factoids.

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Interesting
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Also of note Pope Benedict XVI has a 74% approval rating and the bishops of the United States have a 70% approval rating among American Catholics, I bet Biden and Ryan wished they had those approval ratings (then the election would be over if one ticket had that much support).JoeRatz16
Yeah but you are comparing politicians to religious leaders. We are practically brought up with the notion that politicians are bad/useless/stupid what have you.
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[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]Also of note Pope Benedict XVI has a 74% approval rating and the bishops of the United States have a 70% approval rating among American Catholics, I bet Biden and Ryan wished they had those approval ratings (then the election would be over if one ticket had that much support).Sajo7
Yeah but you are comparing politicians to religious leaders. We are practically brought up with the notion that politicians are bad/useless/stupid what have you.

good point. There are a lot of negative stereotypes and generalizations about politicians (and clergy as well, but perhaps those stereotypes are only widely held among nonbelievers), which is not very fair to those politicians who are honest and upright Americans trying to do what they think is right.

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Well at least republicans can say they have one Christian in the race.

Should make them feel better about all the religious rhetoric for the last four years.

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[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]Also of note Pope Benedict XVI has a 74% approval rating and the bishops of the United States have a 70% approval rating among American Catholics, I bet Biden and Ryan wished they had those approval ratings (then the election would be over if one ticket had that much support).Sajo7
Yeah but you are comparing politicians to religious leaders. We are practically brought up with the notion that politicians are bad/useless/stupid what have you.

You think the pope isn't a politician? Climbing the ranks of any hierarchical organization takes lots of political savvy, whether it's a business a government or a religious organization. Not only that, but the pope is a head of state. His approval rating just proves how beneficial it is for a politician to be tied to a religion. If you represent a religion you're practically beyond reproach, as the papacy has proven.
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[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]Also of note Pope Benedict XVI has a 74% approval rating and the bishops of the United States have a 70% approval rating among American Catholics, I bet Biden and Ryan wished they had those approval ratings (then the election would be over if one ticket had that much support).JoeRatz16

Yeah but you are comparing politicians to religious leaders. We are practically brought up with the notion that politicians are bad/useless/stupid what have you.

good point. There are a lot of negative stereotypes and generalizations about politicians (and clergy as well, but perhaps those stereotypes are only widely held among nonbelievers), which is not very fair to those politicians who are honest and upright Americans trying to do what they think is right.

Very few politicians are actually principled people who act based on their firmly-held values. Those that are generally get subsumed by a hierarchical power structure that forces them to maintain the system as it was before. Honest, upstanding men in Washington would do nothing to change the culture of corruption that exists in that vile city,
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[QUOTE="Sajo7"]Yeah but you are comparing politicians to religious leaders. We are practically brought up with the notion that politicians are bad/useless/stupid what have you.Rhazakna

You think the pope isn't a politician?

I am talking about Catholics. What I think doesn't effect Catholic approval ratings of other Catholics.

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I wonder what whipassmt thinks.

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I wonder what whipassmt thinks.

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He is probably lurking and trying to think of a nonsensical Obama joke before posting.
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I wonder what whipassmt thinks.

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I wonder what whipassmt thinks.

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[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]Also of note Pope Benedict XVI has a 74% approval rating and the bishops of the United States have a 70% approval rating among American Catholics, I bet Biden and Ryan wished they had those approval ratings (then the election would be over if one ticket had that much support).Rhazakna
Yeah but you are comparing politicians to religious leaders. We are practically brought up with the notion that politicians are bad/useless/stupid what have you.

You think the pope isn't a politician? Climbing the ranks of any hierarchical organization takes lots of political savvy, whether it's a business a government or a religious organization. Not only that, but the pope is a head of state. His approval rating just proves how beneficial it is for a politician to be tied to a religion. If you represent a religion you're practically beyond reproach, as the papacy has proven.

Actually the current Pope (Benedict XVI, born Joseph Alois Ratzinger) didn't "climb" the ranks in the sense of striving for ecclesiastical "promotion". In fact every time he was met with a "promotion" it was against his will, when Pope Paul VI first appointed Ratzinger as bishop, Ratzinger initially figured he was unfit to be bishop because he was a theologian with little pastoral experience (he only served as a parish priest for one year, most of his priesthood was spent as a theology professor in the universities), but then he decided that the Church needed theologian-bishops. When John Paul II appointed Ratzinger as Prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, Ratzinger was hesitant to accept the job because he still wanted to publish theological works as a private theologian (i.e. in a non-Magisterial way, as a private scholar presenting his own opinions that would not bind on Catholics), but John Paul II said that he could still do so (Indeed past prefects have done so). When the Conclave elected him Pope, Benedict XVI was hesitant to accept (he wanted to retire and figured a younger man would be more suitable to be pope) until a fellow Cardinal slipped him a note telling him to be faithful to the Lord's calling and Benedict accepted his election to the Papacy.

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[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]

[QUOTE="Sajo7"] Yeah but you are comparing politicians to religious leaders. We are practically brought up with the notion that politicians are bad/useless/stupid what have you.Rhazakna

good point. There are a lot of negative stereotypes and generalizations about politicians (and clergy as well, but perhaps those stereotypes are only widely held among nonbelievers), which is not very fair to those politicians who are honest and upright Americans trying to do what they think is right.

Very few politicians are actually principled people who act based on their firmly-held values. Those that are generally get subsumed by a hierarchical power structure that forces them to maintain the system as it was before. Honest, upstanding men in Washington would do nothing to change the culture of corruption that exists in that vile city,

I saw Evan Bayh (a former Senator), has said that politicians that show too much independence in bucking party leadership are sometimes denied seats on committees, which is unfortunate.

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

I wonder what whipassmt thinks.

Sajo7

He is probably lurking and trying to think of a nonsensical Obama joke before posting.

Hey, I think I found a joke. The article says: "The United States, in the worldwide panorama of the Catholic Church, is the most impressive surprise. Just a few years ago, no one would have wagered on such a spectacular reversal of the trend. All of the indicators pointed to the worst: weak and frightened bishops, priests in disarray, vocations at a trickle, faithful without direction. The scandal of pedophilia had inflicted terrible damage on the credibility of the Church.

But since Benedict XVI became pope, the signs in the United States are of recovery."

I bet Obama wishes that since he became president "the signs in the United States are of recovery".

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[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

I wonder what whipassmt thinks.

whipassmt

He is probably lurking and trying to think of a nonsensical Obama joke before posting.

Hey, I think I found a joke. The article says: "The United States, in the worldwide panorama of the Catholic Church, is the most impressive surprise. Just a few years ago, no one would have wagered on such a spectacular reversal of the trend. All of the indicators pointed to the worst: weak and frightened bishops, priests in disarray, vocations at a trickle, faithful without direction. The scandal of pedophilia had inflicted terrible damage on the credibility of the Church.

But since Benedict XVI became pope, the signs in the United States are of recovery."

I bet Obama wishes that since he became president "the signs in the United States are of recovery".

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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Sajo7"] He is probably lurking and trying to think of a nonsensical Obama joke before posting.Sajo7

Hey, I think I found a joke. The article says: "The United States, in the worldwide panorama of the Catholic Church, is the most impressive surprise. Just a few years ago, no one would have wagered on such a spectacular reversal of the trend. All of the indicators pointed to the worst: weak and frightened bishops, priests in disarray, vocations at a trickle, faithful without direction. The scandal of pedophilia had inflicted terrible damage on the credibility of the Church.

But since Benedict XVI became pope, the signs in the United States are of recovery."

I bet Obama wishes that since he became president "the signs in the United States are of recovery".

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now if only I could say the same thing about his presidency.

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whipassmt is one of the chillest Conservatives on OT. real talk

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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="Sajo7"] Yeah but you are comparing politicians to religious leaders. We are practically brought up with the notion that politicians are bad/useless/stupid what have you.JoeRatz16

You think the pope isn't a politician? Climbing the ranks of any hierarchical organization takes lots of political savvy, whether it's a business a government or a religious organization. Not only that, but the pope is a head of state. His approval rating just proves how beneficial it is for a politician to be tied to a religion. If you represent a religion you're practically beyond reproach, as the papacy has proven.

Actually the current Pope (Benedict XVI, born Joseph Alois Ratzinger) didn't "climb" the ranks in the sense of striving for ecclesiastical "promotion". In fact every time he was met with a "promotion" it was against his will, when Pope Paul VI first appointed Ratzinger as bishop, Ratzinger initially figured he was unfit to be bishop because he was a theologian with little pastoral experience (he only served as a parish priest for one year, most of his priesthood was spent as a theology professor in the universities), but then he decided that the Church needed theologian-bishops. When John Paul II appointed Ratzinger as Prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, Ratzinger was hesitant to accept the job because he still wanted to publish theological works as a private theologian (i.e. in a non-Magisterial way, as a private scholar presenting his own opinions that would not bind on Catholics), but John Paul II said that he could still do so (Indeed past prefects have done so). When the Conclave elected him Pope, Benedict XVI was hesitant to accept (he wanted to retire and figured a younger man would be more suitable to be pope) until a fellow Cardinal slipped him a note telling him to be faithful to the Lord's calling and Benedict accepted his election to the Papacy.

FOr starters, I would be very skeptical of any narrative about the pope that comes from the Vatican. Any organization has the incentive to give a very whitewashed and rosy version for anyone representing said organization. Saying you represent god is only a greater incentive. Secondly, even if all that's true it doesn't mean the pope is not a politician. Being seen to shrink from power can be a great tactic to get people to give it to you. The fact is that every pope has gotten where he is due to being a deft politician. There are many curmudgeonly, unpopular priests and bishops who are fully qualified to be higher than they are, but they don't get the opportunities. The Vatican is very much like other, similar organizations and it's silly to believe otherwise.
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

I wonder what whipassmt thinks.

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[QUOTE="Sajo7"]

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whipassmt

now if only I could say the same thing about his presidency.

Aww. :(

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whipassmt is one of the chillest Conservatives on OT. real talk

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Especially compared to f*cktards like DevilMightCry.
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You need to be here when he posts, droid, so you can be first next time
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

whipassmt is one of the chillest Conservatives on OT. real talk

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Especially compared to f*cktards like DevilMightCry.

But isn't that part of whip's appeal? The hotheads come and go, but the chill ones are forever. Actually DevilMightCry reminds me a lot of PBSnipes. Did he get banned or something?
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

whipassmt is one of the chillest Conservatives on OT. real talk

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Especially compared to f*cktards like DevilMightCry.

Mitt Romney does no wrong?

He is a conservative?

He will win 1980 Reagan style?

He is a fiscal hawk?

10/10 f*cktard

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There needs to be a Biden/Ryan ticket

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Joe Biden is not catholic because he goes against church dogma which is grounds for official excommunication which I would love for the Catholic church to do. He is unofficially in apostasy I believe.

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That is slightly interesting.
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Joe Biden is not catholic because he goes against church dogma which is grounds for official excommunication which I would love for the Catholic church to do. He is unofficially in apostasy I believe.

Philokalia

hehe, that would be hilarious

I am pretty suprised that the Catholic church hasn't excommunicated most politicians who are also Catholic.

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Joe Biden is not catholic because he goes against church dogma which is grounds for official excommunication which I would love for the Catholic church to do. He is unofficially in apostasy I believe.

Philokalia

There would be a lot of people excommunicated, most people don't agree 100% with the church on everything

I also like how you just decided Biden was "unofficially" no longer a part of the Catholic Church

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There would be a lot of people excommunicated, most people don't agree 100% with the church on everything

I also like how you just decided Biden was "unofficially" no longer a part of the Catholic Church

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He suuports abortion, he supports gay marriage and shows no real knowledge or adherence to the creeds. These are things which the catholic church should correct him on publically and at the very least refuse him communion till he repents.

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[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

There would be a lot of people excommunicated, most people don't agree 100% with the church on everything

I also like how you just decided Biden was "unofficially" no longer a part of the Catholic Church

Philokalia

He suuports abortion, he supports gay marriage and shows no real knowledge or adherence to the creeds. These are things which the catholic church should correct him on publically and at the very least refuse him communion till he repents.

poor guy didn't force the views of his religion onto 300 million people.
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Whip has grown on me over the years.dave123321
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poor guy didn't force the views of his religion onto 300 million people.DroidPhysX

The poor guy shouldnt be catholic. Rather he should be a liberal episcopalian.

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[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

There would be a lot of people excommunicated, most people don't agree 100% with the church on everything

I also like how you just decided Biden was "unofficially" no longer a part of the Catholic Church

Philokalia

He suuports abortion, he supports gay marriage and shows no real knowledge or adherence to the creeds. These are things which the catholic church should correct him on publically and at the very least refuse him communion till he repents.

Anyone Christian who opposes gay marriage is no true Christian.
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[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

There would be a lot of people excommunicated, most people don't agree 100% with the church on everything

I also like how you just decided Biden was "unofficially" no longer a part of the Catholic Church

Philokalia

He suuports abortion, he supports gay marriage and shows no real knowledge or adherence to the creeds. These are things which the catholic church should correct him on publically and at the very least refuse him communion till he repents.

Well they will have to excommunicate a lot of people from the Church then if Biden is the standard for a heretic.

And lol@ saying he supports abortion