5 historical events you would try to stop, if you could.

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#1 ReadingOrphan
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Mine would have to be, Holocaust, 9-11, Rawanda Genocide, Hitler's birth, JFK's assassination.

what about you? il be interested to see OT's views on things. thx have fun.

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#2 cyberdarkkid
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Nothing I'm pretty sure all those bad things had important effect on other things. I rather not alter the time line.
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#3 Oblivionfan10
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JFK Assassination, Stock Market Crash of 1929, Herbert Hoover election, World War 1, Lincoln's Assassination
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#4 BumFluff122
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I'm fairly certain that those bad things made the world what it is today as well. If you choose one thing in history for the better it will create a massive chain reaction. Just watch The Butterfly Effect.

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#5 Hungry_Jello
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Holy Wars, Bombing of Giza,Bush being elected a second time. Thats all I can think of.

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#6 Darth-Caedus
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Holocaust, JFK Assassination, Lincolns Assasination, Bush being elected, Birth of theJonas Brothers
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#7 DigitalExile
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I'm fairly certain that those bad things made the world what it is today as well. If you choose one thing in history for the better it will create a massive chain reaction. Just watch The Butterfly Effect.

BumFluff122

I agree. There's nothing I would want to change knowing that it could create far worse scenarios.

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#8 Theokhoth
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None of them.

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#9 omfg_its_dally
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I would change nothing. I don't want to risk screwing up my existence somehow.
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#10 EVOLV3
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Wouldnt stopping Hitler's birth inturn lead to stopping the holocaust, atleast to some extent?

The past is what shaped the world into what it is today, stopping one thing can perhaps drastically change things overall. Im unsure if I would stop anything, but for things like JFK assassination I would uncover what really happend.

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#11 Darth_Tyrev
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None, only an idoit would.

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#12 alphamale1989
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The problem with changing the past is that the entire world as I know it today would be gone... If I could change History: 1. Hitler would have been born mute. 2. Africa would have progressed more as a civilization and wouldn't have all the problems they have now. 3. The Beatles would have never broke up. 4. Miley Cyrus, Brittany Spears, and Linsay Lohan would have been born into very poor families. 5. Somehow the religous/political mess in the middle east would be resolved.
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#13 MarioRPGer
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Holocaust

JFK assasination

9/11

sinking of Titanic

the theatrical release of The Hot Chick

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#14 MarioRPGer
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None, only an idoit would.

Darth_Tyrev

an idoit?

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#15 Makemap
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Everyone who created smoking..

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#16 Hungry_Jello
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The problem with changing the past is that the entire world as I know it today would be gone... If I could change History: 1. Hitler would have been born mute. 2. Africa would have progressed more as a civilization and wouldn't have all the problems they have now. 3. The Beatles would have never broke up. 4. Miley Cyrus, Brittany Spears, and Linsay Lohan would have been born into very poor families. 5. Somehow the religous/political mess in the middle east would be resolved.alphamale1989

Hey don't say that about Lindsey Lohan. She's hot! :evil:

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#17 DrinkDuff
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

I'm fairly certain that those bad things made the world what it is today as well. If you choose one thing in history for the better it will create a massive chain reaction. Just watch The Butterfly Effect.

DigitalExile

I agree. There's nothing I would want to change knowing that it could create far worse scenarios.

I would think about changing something if I could somehow see the consequences beforehand, or have the ability to go back and correct it once I royally screwed up the time line of history.
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#18 roosuu
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The birth of jesus and the creation of the bible.

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#19 MarioRPGer
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The birth of jesus and the creation of the bible.

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good one, kid

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#20 Darth_Tyrev
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[QUOTE="Darth_Tyrev"]

None, only an idoit would.

MarioRPGer

an idoit?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/idiot

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#21 -Sun_Tzu-
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Why do so many people want to kill Hitler?

Why not just help him get into art school?

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Mine would have to be, Holocaust, 9-11, Rawanda Genocide, Hitler's birth, JFK's assassination.

what about you? il be interested to see OT's views on things. thx have fun.

ReadingOrphan
Wouldn't stopping Hitler's birth stop the Holocaust as well?
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#23 MarioRPGer
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[QUOTE="MarioRPGer"]

[QUOTE="Darth_Tyrev"]

None, only an idoit would.

Darth_Tyrev

an idoit?

I just found it ironically amusing that you spelled the word incorrectly.

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#24 MarioRPGer
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Why do so many people want to kill Hitler?

Why not just help him get into art school?

-Sun_Tzu-

His paintings were good in my opinion.

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#25 Darth-Caedus
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[QUOTE="MarioRPGer"]

[QUOTE="Darth_Tyrev"]

None, only an idoit would.

Darth_Tyrev

an idoit?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/idiot

I think he was pointing out your typo >.>

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#26 morpheusnj
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Nothing I'm pretty sure all those bad things had important effect on other things. I rather not alter the time line.cyberdarkkid
this. Although the Holocaust is by all means a horror, it allows more people to understand the negative impacts of racism. Lessons can be learned through mistakes..

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#28 DrinkDuff
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Why do so many people want to kill Hitler?

Why not just help him get into art school?

-Sun_Tzu-
...Or make him Jewish. I kid.
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#29 organic_machine
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I would prevent Ron Paul's loss in the Republican running for the 2008 election.

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#30 Pythos77
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probably just bush elections history is pretty cool up to that point...If those other things wouldnt have happend it would probably be totaly different now or just happen in another way.

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#31 WhenPicklezFly
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none, id let them all happen from every saint to mas murderer. Why cause changing anything would modify modern day history. For example if hitler never started ww2 then with no war (which cased our tech to advance significantly) so would not be as advanced.

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#32 cyberdarkkid
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[QUOTE="Darth_Tyrev"]

[QUOTE="MarioRPGer"]an idoit?

Darth-Caedus

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/idiot

I think he was pointing out your typo >.>

Who's the idoit now?
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#33 MindFreeze
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None of them.

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If you wouldn't choose to stop any single event, preventing the suffering of one, several or billions of people, you're pretty damn cruel.
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#34 Toriko42
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Nothing, history exists for a reason. Changing it could totally change the presence. Maybe I'd stop the holocaust though so Israel never became a country, that was a huge mistake...
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#35 Lief_Ericson
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I wouldn't try to change anything because anything could happen like a descendant of a WW1 guy you saved could crash into you and kill you on the free way or maybe beat you to a job opening or something

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#36 kingyotoX
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Why do so many people want to kill Hitler?

Why not just help him get into art school?

-Sun_Tzu-
Indeed, no one would have to die and you would help young Adolph achieve his dreams.
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#37 Toriko42
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

Why do so many people want to kill Hitler?

Why not just help him get into art school?

kingyotoX
Indeed, no one would have to die and you would help young Adolph achieve his dreams.

Aye, Adolf was a good guy but he became disillusioned by failure.
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#38 kingyotoX
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[QUOTE="kingyotoX"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

Why do so many people want to kill Hitler?

Why not just help him get into art school?

Toriko42
Indeed, no one would have to die and you would help young Adolph achieve his dreams.

Aye, Adolf was a good guy but he became disillusioned by failure.

word. I hope all my failure doesn't turn me into a fascist, racist, dictator.
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#39 123625
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Time is complicated, so is history, don't complicate it even more!
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#40 fidosim
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

Why do so many people want to kill Hitler?

Why not just help him get into art school?

He did have some nice landscapes. Also:

probably just bush elections history is pretty cool up to that point...If those other things wouldnt have happend it would probably be totaly different now or just happen in another way.

Pythos77
That made me lol. There were some pretty uncool things that happened before Bush's election. :P
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#41 TheOldOlder
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I'd stop the death and suffering of every innocent german and japanese civilian in WW2

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#42 Mr_Nordquist
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I wouldn't want to because it would mess with the world far too much.

Though, there are things in my own life I'd slightly change. Nothing huge like some historical event though.

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#43 TheOldOlder
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I wouldn't want to because it would mess with the world far too much.

Though, there are things in my own life I'd slightly change. Nothing huge like some historical event though.

Mr_Nordquist

what kind of events in your life would you change? please be precise

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#44 kingyotoX
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probably just bush elections history is pretty cool up to that point...If those other things wouldnt have happend it would probably be totaly different now or just happen in another way.

Pythos77

Seriously, have you ever or do you currently attend school? At some point you must have had some sort of history lesson.

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#45 theone86
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Holocaust, Lincoln's assassination, fall of the Soviet Union, crucifixtion of Jesus, criminalization of weed.

Yes, I know a lot of people will say there are some pretty horrific killings I could have stopped, but in stopping these events I might have stopped many of those killings. I may have prevented Jesus from becoming a messianic figure and I definitely prevented him from becoming a martyr. I believe that stops a lot of blood from being shed in the name of god, and I can't even list all the religious acts of brutality that could possibly be wiped clean from changing this event.

Lincoln's assassination dramatically changed the landscape of post-war America. Who knows how dramatically, but we do know that he would have offered more help to the south and the whole economic structure could have been changed way back then so that today there isn't as dramatic a gap in wealth, and concurrently that there isn't such a large social gap between classes. As for the fall of the Soviet Union, obviously they fell for a reason, but if I could I would change the events that led up to that fall. I think if there were a socialist state that was just as prosperous and functioned just as well as the other industrialized nations at the time communism wouldn't be as misunderstood as it is. I was tempted to simply put McCarthyism, but I think I can cheat here and put that under the general banner of the fall of teh Soviet Union.

Weed. Legalization of cannabis is an afterthought here. Not to say I wouldn't keep cannabis legal, because I would, but the much more important issue to me here is a vibrant hemp industry. Hemp was all set to become THE industry of tomorrow. The wonder crop, the versatile commodity, the most important resource of the 20th century. Unfortunately, people like William Randolph Hearst and Henry Anslinger squelched it with their anti-cannabis campaign. If hemp could have lived up to its potential back then I believe it could have saved the environment, made the oil industry obsolete before it became the giant that it did, and possibly even have eliminated hunger and poverty world wide, and it could have at least helped a great deal in that regard. If not for the criminalization of cannabis and the effect it had on the hemp industry I think we could be looking at a world that we can only see today in sci-fi.

Lasltly, the Holocaust. I chose this killing specifically because it probably wouldn't be affected by my first change, and because it was so horrific and so without any silver lining. I mean, the nuclear bombings were horrific, but they have at least made sure that no other nuclear attack has been committed since. There are others that are not prevented by my changes, but I do think my changes work towards a better society rather than saving lives directly. I'd like to think that these changes save more lives than we can realize by creating a better society. Also, if I relegated myself to only saving lives directly my only choise would to be to stop the greatest tragedies in terms of the number killed. Just because I stop the five largest killings ever doesn't mean the rest of history's mass killings are any less significant.

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#46 kemar7856
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the holocost etc etc but without curtain events in history humanity would never learn from their mistakes thats why today for example who try everything to not go into war because of WW2

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#47 theone86
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I'm fairly certain that those bad things made the world what it is today as well. If you choose one thing in history for the better it will create a massive chain reaction. Just watch The Butterfly Effect.

BumFluff122

I call conjecture. I never saw the Butterfly Effect, but I am familiar with the concept of the plot device of altering the past seemingly for the better creating an equally as bad or worse future. Since we're dealing with the unkown, we have no way of knowing if changing something concretely would change thigns for the worse. We can observe effects, but we can not predict effects. We can say the Holocaust changed our understanding of racism, but we cannot predict that if without it we could not have arrived at the same conclusion.

And yes, that makes my entirefirst postconjecture as well. It's my conjecture justas saying that changing the past would be inherently bad is your conjecture. It's less predictable, yes, as the future is at least known and the future that would be created is unkown, but that doesn't make the latter bad, it simply makes it unpredictable. I think we're conditioned to believe that alternate futures are inherently bad simply because every depiction of them paints them as chaotic, but again that is just as much an unkown as how the decisions we make today will affect tomorrow.

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None, lest the repercussions be worse than current history.
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#49 Evz0rz
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Wouldnt stopping Hitler's birth inturn lead to stopping the holocaust, atleast to some extent?

The past is what shaped the world into what it is today, stopping one thing can perhaps drastically change things overall. Im unsure if I would stop anything, but for things like JFK assassination I would uncover what really happend.

EVOLV3

But even things like that matter, WW2 helped the U.S. get out of its terrible economic depression

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#50 theone86
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the holocost etc etc but without curtain events in history humanity would never learn from their mistakes thats why today for example who try everything to not go into war because of WW2

kemar7856

You say we learn from our mistakes, but do we? How many acts of genocide have been committed since the Holocaust? Rwanda, Darfur, Bosnia. How many acts of genocide had been committed prior? Plenty. And even today people deny the occurence of events like the Holocaust. Is this the behavior of people who have learned? No. I agree that humanity does need some chaotic events to gorw as a species, but I don't think we need to go to the very edge before we learn from our mistakes. I would not delete every act of killing because of that logic, but I would also not think twice about deleting the Holocaust because there were so many dead, so many more in absolute squalor and pain, and for no reason other than hatred. I believe in learning from the past and finding solace in our ability to do so, but I also don't believe that any single genocide on its own is necessary to convince us that it's not the right thing to do.