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1 in 2 new graduates are jobless or underemployed
By HOPE YEN, Associated Press
Sunday, April 22, 2012

(04-22) 07:02 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) -- The college class of 2012 is in for a rude welcome to the world of work.

A weak labor market already has left half of young college graduates either jobless or underemployed in positions that don't fully use their skills and knowledge.

Young adults with bachelor's degrees are increasingly scraping by in lower-wage jobs ? waiter or waitress, bartender, retail clerk or receptionist, for example ? and that's confounding their hopes a degree would pay off despite higher tuition and mounting student loans.

An analysis of government data conducted for The Associated Press lays bare the highly uneven prospects for holders of bachelor's degrees.

About 1.5 million, or 53.6 percent, of bachelor's degree-holders under the age of 25 last year were jobless or underemployed, the highest share in at least 11 years. In 2000, the share was at a low of 41 percent, before the dot-com bust erased job gains for college graduates in the telecommunications and IT fields.

Out of the 1.5 million who languished in the job market, about half were underemployed, an increase from the previous year.

Broken down by occupation, young college graduates were heavily represented in jobs that require a high school diploma or less.

In the last year, they were more likely to be employed as waiters, waitresses, bartenders and food-service helpers than as engineers, physicists, chemists and mathematicians combined (100,000 versus 90,000). There were more working in office-related jobs such as receptionist or payroll clerk than in all computer professional jobs (163,000 versus 100,000). More also were employed as cashiers, retail clerks and customer representatives than engineers (125,000 versus 80,000).

According to government projections released last month, only three of the 30 occupations with the largest projected number of job openings by 2020 will require a bachelor's degree or higher to fill the position ? teachers, college professors and accountants. Most job openings are in professions such as retail sales, fast food and truck driving, jobs which aren't easily replaced by computers.

College graduates who majored in zoology, anthropology, philosophy, art history and humanities were among the least likely to find jobs appropriate to their education level; those with nursing, teaching, accounting or computer science degrees were among the most likely.

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Thats sad but not at all surprising. For the past 5 years or so, many Americans have been underemployed. It's a domino effect really. In the simplest terms...

1. Dude with a doctorate gets laid off...so he applies for a job with master's qualifications.

2. Dude with a master's gets laid off and he applies for a job with bachelor's qualifications.

3. Dude with a bachelor's gets laid off and he applies for a job with associate's qualifications

4. Dude with associate's gets laid off and he applies for a job with HS grad qualifications.

5. HS grad can't find a job flipping burgers nowadays

It all rolls downhill and it's really sad. But there are ALOT of overqualified/underemployed Americans right now. But imo, underemployed beats unemployed.

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That's why I majored in accounting.

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That title is really misleading.
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That's why I majored in accounting.

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Hows that going so far? I plan on studying accounting as well. I'd like to know more about if you dont mind.
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#7 loco145
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Titles have lenghts restrictions.

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Who would major in these pathetic fields though? Anything within the science/business field is always high in demand career wise. Want to find a job, study something that people are actually going to need in the future.

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Many people aren't intelligent enough to major in science successfully, and for business......well, that's really not needed right now or in high demand. There are tons of people graduating with business degrees and doing nothing with it.
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I believe it is a serious problem in America today. Many Bachelor's degrees are becoming useless. Good luck trying to raise a family on just a HS diploma. The lack of skilled workers in factories ensures that even those who are willing to work hard aren't guaranteed anything if they don't have high degrees...wouldn't have been the case 30/40 years ago.

Who would major in these pathetic fields though? Anything within the science/business field is always high in demand career wise. Want to find a job, study something that people are actually going to need in the future.

Ackad
If everyone did that...
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I fail to see how someone with a decent humanities degree is any less capable than someone with a "teaching" degree. That's proof that some people can get degrees without being that smart and despite lacking more important general qualities that would've otherwise made them quite employable.
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Who would major in these pathetic fields though? Anything within the science/business field is always high in demand career wise. Want to find a job, study something that people are actually going to need in the future.

Ackad
Coming from a guy with a degree in science and foolishly planning to go further, you couldn't be more wrong. The only science jobs in high demand right now are doctor (which is just a trend in the rapidly exploding health care industry) and certain types of engineering. Everyone else, even up to the PhD level, is having a hard time finding a job, much less a job that doesn't pay pathetic wages considering the skill set and education level it demands. It actually took me 7 months to find a science job after graduation despite my qualifications which were pretty damn impressive. Even my current employer was surprised since they told me I was the only applicant out of 50 they seriously considered.
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Precisely why going to college/university is kinda pointless really.

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[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="Ackad"]

Who would major in these pathetic fields though? Anything within the science/business field is always high in demand career wise. Want to find a job, study something that people are actually going to need in the future.

Ackad
Many people aren't intelligent enough to major in science successfully, and for business......well, that's really not needed right now or in high demand. There are tons of people graduating with business degrees and doing nothing with it.

That's silly talk. People are intelligent, it's their choice whether they want to put effort or not. Business wise, it's all about using the mind. Setting a strategic plan for succeeding is by setting up an actual business, such as investing (mechanic shop, etc).

Did you ever read a paper written by a typical science/math/business major?
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[QUOTE="Ackad"]

Who would major in these pathetic fields though? Anything within the science/business field is always high in demand career wise. Want to find a job, study something that people are actually going to need in the future.

Lethalhazard
Many people aren't intelligent enough to major in science successfully, and for business......well, that's really not needed right now or in high demand. There are tons of people graduating with business degrees and doing nothing with it.

Even people who do major in science aren't that smart. From what I tell, the amount of independent thinking involved is nil.
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[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="Ackad"]

Who would major in these pathetic fields though? Anything within the science/business field is always high in demand career wise. Want to find a job, study something that people are actually going to need in the future.

SolidSnake35

Many people aren't intelligent enough to major in science successfully, and for business......well, that's really not needed right now or in high demand. There are tons of people graduating with business degrees and doing nothing with it.

Even people who do major in science aren't that smart. From what I tell, the amount of independent thinking involved is nil.

A lot of the Biology related courses are mainly memorization. It's actually hard since it is boring as sh!t.

Math and Chem require a bit more.

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Lethalhazard"] Many people aren't intelligent enough to major in science successfully, and for business......well, that's really not needed right now or in high demand. There are tons of people graduating with business degrees and doing nothing with it. Omni-Wrath

Even people who do major in science aren't that smart. From what I tell, the amount of independent thinking involved is nil.

A lot of the Biology related courses are mainly memorization. It's actually hard since it is boring as sh!t.

Math and Chem require a bit more.

That's what I mean. People seem to think that memorising a load of stuff makes them more employable.... but frankly, any humanities student worth his salt could do that.
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Can't wait to graduate in two years...

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I know exactly how that is. I'm a 26 year old college grad and have been looking for a part-time job for to subsidise my income some for the past TWO YEARS. I've gotten nothing in return. And it's not like I'm blowing interviews because I can't even get one. I've applied to places like Walmart and Target countless times and haven't heard back once. I majored in graphic design and couldn't even get an interview at the art/framing shop by me that I'm way overqualified for. We keep hearing how job losses have come way down and that's great. The problem is companies still just aren't hiring. Huge stores that used to almost hire non-stop now hire maybe 1-2 people a month out of the thousands that apply there every week. I know people in their mid-20s who have been unemployed ever since college graduation 3 years ago. It's EXTREMELY hard to get even entry level jobs anymore in certain regions of the country.

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I know exactly how that is. I'm a 26 year old college grad and have been looking for a part-time job for to subsidise my income some for the past TWO YEARS. I've gotten nothing in return. And it's not like I'm blowing interviews because I can't even get one. I've applied to places like Walmart and Target countless times and haven't heard back once. I majored in graphic design and couldn't even get an interview at the art/framing shop by me that I'm way overqualified for. We keep hearing how job losses have come way down and that's great. The problem is companies still just aren't hiring. Huge stores that used to almost hire non-stop now maybe 1-2 people a month out of the thousands that apply there every week.

Pirate700

22-year-old college grad here, I know that feeling. It sucks. I've been geting more interview opportunities lately so I'm kinda optimistic I'll get something soon.

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[quote=SolidSnake]

That's what I mean. People seem to think that memorising a load of stuff makes them more employable.... but frankly, any humanities student worth his salt could do that.

Mathematics and Physics require far more than pure memorization...

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[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Even people who do major in science aren't that smart. From what I tell, the amount of independent thinking involved is nil.SolidSnake35

A lot of the Biology related courses are mainly memorization. It's actually hard since it is boring as sh!t.

Math and Chem require a bit more.

That's what I mean. People seem to think that memorising a load of stuff makes them more employable.... but frankly, any humanities student worth his salt could do that.

Maths and Physics require far more than pure memorization.
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[QUOTE="loco145"] Maths and Physics require far more than pure memorization.

Those subjects do... and I have a lot of respect for people that are good at maths... and physics by extension. But when people say "science graduates", they are not referring to these people alone. It's misleading.
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

I know exactly how that is. I'm a 26 year old college grad and have been looking for a part-time job for to subsidise my income some for the past TWO YEARS. I've gotten nothing in return. And it's not like I'm blowing interviews because I can't even get one. I've applied to places like Walmart and Target countless times and haven't heard back once. I majored in graphic design and couldn't even get an interview at the art/framing shop by me that I'm way overqualified for. We keep hearing how job losses have come way down and that's great. The problem is companies still just aren't hiring. Huge stores that used to almost hire non-stop now maybe 1-2 people a month out of the thousands that apply there every week.

JML897

22-year-old college grad here, I know that feeling. It sucks. I've been geting more interview opportunities lately so I'm kinda optimistic I'll get something soon.

Yeah I know people who have been graduated form college for 3+ years now and STILL can't even get an interview. The job market in certain regions of this county is just completely non-existent. If your a 20-mid 30-something, nobody wants to hire you anymore even for the most basic entry level position. The economy is so bad here in SoCal that there can be a basic bag-boy job opening and that store will get THOUSANDS of apps for that one job.

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College graduates who majored in zoology, anthropology, philosophy, art history and humanities were among the least likely to find jobs appropriate to their education level

loco145
:lol: What exactly do you expect when you go for a degree like that?
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Such a shame. Sad story/stories. Good luck to the job searchers in this thread.

College graduates who majored in zoologymarkop2003

:lol: What exactly do you expect when you go for a degree like that?

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[QUOTE="loco145"]

College graduates who majored in zoology, anthropology, philosophy, art history and humanities were among the least likely to find jobs appropriate to their education level

markop2003

:lol: What exactly do you expect when you go for a degree like that?

I'd expect a job since the VAST majority of jobs that want you to have a college degree don't care what you majored in. They just ask that you have a 4-year degree. Most grads don't work in the field they majored in.

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I'm beating statistics! I'm winner in life! Oh, college graduates, yeah I don't have one of those pieces of paper.

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And women thought they had it rough.

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[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="loco145"]

College graduates who majored in zoology, anthropology, philosophy, art history and humanities were among the least likely to find jobs appropriate to their education level

Pirate700

:lol: What exactly do you expect when you go for a degree like that?

I'd expect a job since the VAST majority of jobs that want you to have a college degree don't care what you majored in. They just ask that you have a 4-year degree. Most grads don't work in the field they majored in.

Exactly. And I think in those cases, the average humanities student will edge out the science student more times than not.
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One of the many reasons why Obama can't run on his record nor 'hope and change'.
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="markop2003"] :lol: What exactly do you expect when you go for a degree like that?SolidSnake35

I'd expect a job since the VAST majority of jobs that want you to have a college degree don't care what you majored in. They just ask that you have a 4-year degree. Most grads don't work in the field they majored in.

Exactly. And I think in those cases, the average humanities student will edge out the science student more times than not.

I read one statistic that said most college grads don't even have a job that requires a degree. There are many more people with degrees than jobs that want you to have one.

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I fail to see how someone with a decent humanities degree is any less capable than someone with a "teaching" degree. That's proof that some people can get degrees without being that smart and despite lacking more important general qualities that would've otherwise made them quite employable.SolidSnake35
Eh? General qualities and intelligence have nothing to do with it, without a PGCE you cannot teach at a public school in the UK. It is a useful qualification for a profession in constant demand, if you have degree in physics, math or IT you are practically guaranteed a job for life. People do not get hired because they are clever or they have 'general qualities' they get hired because they can get the job done.
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[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="loco145"]

College graduates who majored in zoology, anthropology, philosophy, art history and humanities were among the least likely to find jobs appropriate to their education level

Pirate700

:lol: What exactly do you expect when you go for a degree like that?

I'd expect a job since the VAST majority of jobs that want you to have a college degree don't care what you majored in. They just ask that you have a 4-year degree. Most grads don't work in the field they majored in.

But if you study in something more vocational like nursing or CS you have access to all the general jobs plus the specialised ones.
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="markop2003"] :lol: What exactly do you expect when you go for a degree like that?markop2003

I'd expect a job since the VAST majority of jobs that want you to have a college degree don't care what you majored in. They just ask that you have a 4-year degree. Most grads don't work in the field they majored in.

But if you study in something more vocational like nursing or CS you have access to all the general jobs plus the specialised ones.

It's hard enough to get a job period even with a degree. Most people aren't going to major in something they don't want to do to begin with. Nursing is a great field but it's not for everyone...it's not even for most people.

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I guess we can see why they are bachelors then....

[spoiler] joke guys... [/spoiler]

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I fail to see how someone with a decent humanities degree is any less capable than someone with a "teaching" degree. That's proof that some people can get degrees without being that smart and despite lacking more important general qualities that would've otherwise made them quite employable.markop2003
Eh? General qualities and intelligence have nothing to do with it, without a PGCE you cannot teach at a public school in the UK. It is a useful qualification for a profession in constant demand, if you have degree in physics, math or IT you are practically guaranteed a job for life. People do not get hired because they are clever or they have 'general qualities' they get hired because they can get the job done.

IT was the most boring crap I have ever had the displeasure of doing. A monkey could do it... so long as you could get it interested enough in the first place. So if subjecting yourself to something that boring makes you superior to someone that does something challenging like history, philosophy or English then whoop dee do... have a gold sticker, but don't pretend that you're actually better at something. It's a difference between people who take the safe route and people that think life should be enjoyed.
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Strange times we live in. The value of an expensive college education has dwindled considerably

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] IT was the most boring crap I have ever had the displeasure of doing. A monkey could do it... so long as you could get it interested enough in the first place. So if subjecting yourself to something that boring makes you superior to someone that does something challenging like history, philosophy or English then whoop dee do... have a gold sticker, but don't pretend that you're actually better at something. It's a difference between people who take the safe route and people that think life should be enjoyed.

Superior? The debate is about employment not superiority or life enjoyment. If you wanted you could make the argument that employment doesn't really matter then fine but that's outside the scope of the topic.
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Such ridiculous degrees people are getting. If you don't want to work that hard then get a basic Biology degree, or an accounting, statistics, or economics degree. If a business is hiring and it's someone with a philosophy or biology degree the biologist is probably going to get the job.

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I'll be joining that underemployed crowd before too long.
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I know exactly how that is. I'm a 26 year old college grad and have been looking for a part-time job for to subsidise my income some for the past TWO YEARS. I've gotten nothing in return. And it's not like I'm blowing interviews because I can't even get one. I've applied to places like Walmart and Target countless times and haven't heard back once. I majored in graphic design and couldn't even get an interview at the art/framing shop by me that I'm way overqualified for. We keep hearing how job losses have come way down and that's great. The problem is companies still just aren't hiring. Huge stores that used to almost hire non-stop now hire maybe 1-2 people a month out of the thousands that apply there every week. I know people in their mid-20s who have been unemployed ever since college graduation 3 years ago. It's EXTREMELY hard to get even entry level jobs anymore in certain regions of the country.

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What part of SoCal do you live in?!?! Send me your resume, I may have something for you!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO I DON'T!!
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I'm not looking forward to hitting the world with my Criminal Justice Degree >_>

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#45 deactivated-5c8e4e07d5510
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Yeah, makes sense. I look at some of my friends' intended majors, and I wonder how they're ever going to get a job. That said, there's something to be said about studying what you enjoy, not what will get you a job. A friend of mine switched from computer science, a very lucrative career path, to music because its what he loves doing.
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#46 Wilfred_Owen
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I'm not looking forward to hitting the world with my Criminal Justice Degree >_>

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#47 Jolt_counter119
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Yeah, makes sense. I look at some of my friends' intended majors, and I wonder how they're ever going to get a job. That said, there's something to be said about studying what you enjoy, not what will get you a job. A friend of mine switched from computer science, a very lucrative career path, to music because its what he loves doing.Guppy507
That's so dumb though. Why not just study music independent of spending thousands of dollars for it at a school? That doesn't make sense to me. To me the problem is the school system and society's pressure on students to have them go to college when a lot of them have no business being there. Plumbers, garbage men, HVAC technician, there are lot of good options aside from Uni that people are brainwashed into getting sucked into.

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#48 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="markop2003"] Superior? The debate is about employment not superiority or life enjoyment. If you wanted you could make the argument that employment doesn't really matter then fine but that's outside the scope of the topic.

Oh it's always about superiority. People think they're so great because they picked the "better" choice in life... and didn't do one of those "useless" degrees. You never see humanity students looking down on science students, but the opposite is often true. And why? Just because they did it. Not because they're able. Most are able.
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#49 SolidSnake35
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Such ridiculous degrees people are getting. If you don't want to work that hard then get a basic Biology degree, or an accounting, statistics, or economics degree. If a business is hiring and it's someone with a philosophy or biology degree the biologist is probably going to get the job.

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The philosopher would be far better at any run of the mill job. No doubts. What can the biologist bring to the table other than memorised facts, which have no wider application?
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I would imagine many of these graduates just expected jobs to be handed to them on a silver platter once they finished as usual. It's kinda funny when people like that realize that book knowledge is not everything and now know no other means to make good money due to smugness, lack of understanding and limiting themselves to only going one way about it.