71-year-old black man found guilty of manslaughter, jury rejects Stand Your...

71-year-old black man found guilty of manslaughter, jury rejects Stand Your Ground claim

A Tampa jury has found Trevor Dooley, a 71-year-old black man,  guilty of manslaughter in the shooting death of his white neighbor, 41-year-old David James, in front of James then-8-year-old daughter Danielle.

According to the Tampa Bay Times, the jury rejected Dooleys claim of self-defense under the state of Floridas Stand Your Ground law.

One of the jury members said the law did not apply to this case, while jury foreman Walter Joss said, The whole silly thing was over a skateboard and it just escalated.

However, the Jamaican-born Dooley believes that racism played a big part in his conviction.

He told reporters, Do you really think that if it was the other way around and the skin color would be different we would be here today? We wouldnt.

James daughter, who has been in counseling since the tragedy, did not remember much of the incident. She testified that she only remembered Dooley trying to go home.

The incident occurred in September 2010, when James and Dooley got into an argument over a skateboarder who had been given permission by James to skateboard on the other side of the basketball court where James and his daughter had been playing.

Neighbors who witnessed the altercation and later testified said they saw Dooley flip up his T-shirt, revealing a gun in his waistband, while cursing at James.

Dooley, who is 5-feet-7 and weighs 160 pounds, said in his testimony that he shot the 6-foot-1, 240 pound James when he felt his life was in danger because James had his hands around Dooleys neck and was trying to reach for his gun.

The Times also reported that along with manslaughter, Dooley was also convicted of improper exhibition of a weapon and open carrying of a firearm, both misdemeanors.

Dooley will remain free on bail until his sentencing by Hillsborough Circuit Judge Ashley Moody on Jan. 10.

The Grio

yes i do realize it's pretty old but i think it's still pretty relevant given that one recent case everyone's been talking about and the fact that a lot of racebaiters have been curious as to what would be the case if the "roles were reversed"

Theres need to be one big race thread on this forum for a little while.

I have a feeling many people thought zimmerman should have gotten charged with manslaughter, rather than murder

I have a feeling many people thought zimmerman should have gotten charged with manslaughter, rather than murder

lostrib

Also there were witnesses and evidence. Unlike with Zimmerman.

He is a older man he should know better than flashing his gun. Even so why shoot the kid??

Even a old man can grab or kick balls then use small joint manipulation for a set up and then finish the young idiot trying a old man. Now if the kid had a weapon by all means two to the chest and one to the head. Still a black man most likely won't get a fair one in the JUST-US system. Yet another black man will be locked in a cage and at that age most likely die in a cage for defending himself.

Where is teh outrage?

Flashing his gun beforehand was not a smart thing. If he had pulled it after the dead man's hands were around his neck, then yeah, then he could maybe have won stand your ground immunity, but he made the threat of at least grevious bodily harm or death when he flashed his gun. 

Where is teh outrage?

one_plum

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

Where is teh outrage?

dave123321

If my reading of TC's excerpt from "The Grio" is correct, it seems that Dooley flashed his gun first, and then James choked Dooley. Dooley then shot James claiming it was self-defense, but quite frankly if Dooley drew the weapon first, it seems to me that James was the one acting in self-defense.

[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="one_plum"]

Where is teh outrage?

nomsayin

I must retract my earlier statement after reading the story. That old fool should be locked under the jail. Why?? He made a clear threat to that kid when he flashed his gun. The kid was trying to defend himself from a deadly weapon and acted as such. The race card is just a smoke screen and so is the self defense claim in this instance.

Cases should be decided on merit. The evidence is not the same in the two cases and why fan the flames?LJS9502_basic

Cases should be decided on merit. The evidence is not the same in the two cases and why fan the flames?LJS9502_basic

because race. same with the marissa alexander case

Flashing his gun beforehand was not a smart thing. If he had pulled it after the dead man's hands were around his neck, then yeah, then he could maybe have won stand your ground immunity, but he made the thread of at least grevious bodily harm or death when he flashed his gun. 

WhiteKnight77

Roles might be reversed, but the evidence might not be. Fightingfan

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Flashing his gun beforehand was not a smart thing. If he had pulled it after the dead man's hands were around his neck, then yeah, then he could maybe have won stand your ground immunity, but he made the thread of at least grevious bodily harm or death when he flashed his gun. 

Ace6301

according to the article, that's also illegal

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Flashing his gun beforehand was not a smart thing. If he had pulled it after the dead man's hands were around his neck, then yeah, then he could maybe have won stand your ground immunity, but he made the thread of at least grevious bodily harm or death when he flashed his gun. 

lostrib

according to the article, that's also illegal

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] I don't see anything wrong with letting the other person know you're armed. In fact letting them know you have a gun seems a hell of a lot smarter than not.Ace6301

according to the article, that's also illegal

apparently yes, and I guess what he did is considred open carry 

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Roles might be reversed, but the evidence might not be. TheWalkingGhost

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

according to the article, that's also illegal

lostrib

apparently yes, and I guess what he did is considred open carry 

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Roles might be reversed, but the evidence might not be. VanHelsingBoA64

If I was jesus, i'd be mad too. 

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] It's legal to carry a concealed weapon but not to demonstrate that you have said weapon? Sorry, what?Ace6301

apparently yes, and I guess what he did is considred open carry 

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] It's legal to carry a concealed weapon but not to demonstrate that you have said weapon? Sorry, what?Ace6301

apparently yes, and I guess what he did is considred open carry 

Making threats with a weapon is pretty illegal in all states.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] I don't see anything wrong with letting the other person know you're armed. In fact letting them know you have a gun seems a hell of a lot smarter than not.Ace6301

according to the article, that's also illegal

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

apparently yes, and I guess what he did is considred open carry 

LJS9502_basic

Pretty sure all of Florida's cases/new stories involving white and black shootings are being overly scrutinized now.

The law needs to be changed.. there is no such thing as self defense. IF you so much as say anything, let alone do anything to someone.. in self defense or not, you will be arrested and charged. Look at the kid who made a joke on facebook, and even said after typing the sentence,it was a joke.. he was arrested and locked up. There is no such thing as freedom. You are guilty until proven innocent.Rattlesnake_8

No

The law needs to be changed.. there is no such thing as self defense. IF you so much as say anything, let alone do anything to someone.. in self defense or not, you will be arrested and charged. Look at the kid who made a joke on facebook, and even said after typing the sentence,it was a joke.. he was arrested and locked up. There is no such thing as freedom. You are guilty until proven innocent.Rattlesnake_8

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]I don't see anything wrong with letting the other person know you're armed. In fact letting them know you have a gun seems a hell of a lot smarter than not.Ace6301

according to the article, that's also illegal

You cannot threaten anyone. Why do you think people are getting arrested for it. People are making a big stink about that teen in Texas who is facing 8 years for doing so, even with the claims that he was joking. Brandishing a weapon (meaning showing, waving it around, etc) is a threat which allows someone to defend themselves.

In this case, the old man threatened the younger man and when he tried to defend himself by choking the man, he was defending himself from a threat of greivos bodily harm/death. That the man shot the younger man after brandishing said weapon is murder and not self defense. Eyewitnesses backed that up. 

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

apparently yes, and I guess what he did is considred open carry 

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

according to the article, that's also illegal

WhiteKnight77

You cannot threaten anyone. Why do you think people are getting arrested for it. People are making a big stink about that teen in Texas who is facing 8 years for doing so, even with the claims that he was joking. Brandishing a weapon (meaning showing, waving it around, etc) is a threat which allows someone to defend themselves.

In this case, the old man threatened the younger man and when he tried to defend himself by choking the man, he was defending himself from a threat of greivos bodily harm/death. That the man shot the younger man after brandishing said weapon is murder and not self defense. Eyewitnesses backed that up. 

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Why single out Florida? Concealed carry is legal with a permit. Open carry....no.  No state I can think of let's you threaten someone with a gun.

Ace6301

Jury finds Trevor Dooley guilty in manslaughter case in the first post of this thread.

They testified last week they saw Dooley flip up his T-shirt, revealing a gun in his waistband, as he cursed James. They said Dooley then turned and headed home, but James spun him around and tried to grab the gun.

The skateboarder, Spencer Arthur, also watched, stunned. He didn't see Dooley flash a gun but said he saw him pull out the weapon as he spun around.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] It's legal to carry a concealed weapon but not to demonstrate that you have said weapon? Sorry, what?Ace6301

You cannot threaten anyone. Why do you think people are getting arrested for it. People are making a big stink about that teen in Texas who is facing 8 years for doing so, even with the claims that he was joking. Brandishing a weapon (meaning showing, waving it around, etc) is a threat which allows someone to defend themselves.

In this case, the old man threatened the younger man and when he tried to defend himself by choking the man, he was defending himself from a threat of greivos bodily harm/death. That the man shot the younger man after brandishing said weapon is murder and not self defense. Eyewitnesses backed that up. 

I thought stand your ground was only in self defense?

They testified last week they saw Dooley flip up his T-shirt, revealing a gun in his waistband, as he cursed James. They said Dooley then turned and headed home, but James spun him around and tried to grab the gun.

The skateboarder, Spencer Arthur, also watched, stunned. He didn't see Dooley flash a gun but said he saw him pull out the weapon as he spun around.WhiteKnight77

 

wait so he turned to go home, but pulled a gun?

Jury finds Trevor Dooley guilty in manslaughter case in the first post of this thread.

They testified last week they saw Dooley flip up his T-shirt, revealing a gun in his waistband, as he cursed James. They said Dooley then turned and headed home, but James spun him around and tried to grab the gun.

The skateboarder, Spencer Arthur, also watched, stunned. He didn't see Dooley flash a gun but said he saw him pull out the weapon as he spun around.WhiteKnight77

 

I thought stand your ground was only in self defense?

lostrib

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Jury finds Trevor Dooley guilty in manslaughter case in the first post of this thread.

They testified last week they saw Dooley flip up his T-shirt, revealing a gun in his waistband, as he cursed James. They said Dooley then turned and headed home, but James spun him around and tried to grab the gun.

The skateboarder, Spencer Arthur, also watched, stunned. He didn't see Dooley flash a gun but said he saw him pull out the weapon as he spun around.Ace6301

 

I thought stand your ground was only in self defense?

lostrib

Finish reading. 

You don't pull your gun on anybody or even show that you have a weapon on you. If you pull a weapon in an argument, you're the one who is responsible even if it's just a quick flash.

C&C weapons are for self defense only. Sounds like he was clearly using it as something to intimidate with. 

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Jury finds Trevor Dooley guilty in manslaughter case in the first post of this thread.

They testified last week they saw Dooley flip up his T-shirt, revealing a gun in his waistband, as he cursed James. They said Dooley then turned and headed home, but James spun him around and tried to grab the gun.

The skateboarder, Spencer Arthur, also watched, stunned. He didn't see Dooley flash a gun but said he saw him pull out the weapon as he spun around.Ace6301

 

I thought stand your ground was only in self defense?

lostrib

Well if he threatened the other man it's not self defense if he then gets his ass beat

You don't pull your gun on anybody or even show that you have a weapon on you. 

Wasdie

unless you intend to use it

Finish reading. 

WhiteKnight77

Well if he threatened the other man it's not self defense if he then gets his ass beat

lostrib