A funny video about the conspiracy theory of September 11

Here is the link :)

Pretty convincing.MushroomWig

Anything can be made very convincing when said in a very sarcastic tone, very quickly, with lots of little videos and pictures sliced together (and taken heavily out of context), all while appealing to lay the burdan of proof on those who watch the movie.

Yet somehow after 11 years, 50k+ bodies, and 3+ trillion debt, not a single person has ever come forth with any insider evidence that it was an inside job. You would think just one person would have a heart.

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"]Pretty convincing.Wasdie

Anything can be made very convincing when said in a very sarcastic voice, very quickly, with lots of little videos and pictures sliced together (and taken heavily out of context).

Yet somehow after 11 years, 50k+ bodies, and 3+ trillion debt, not a single person has ever come forth with any insider evidence that it was an inside job. You would think just one person would have a heart.

vid points out some really good points.

but at the end of the day, many people will believe whateverbest fits with their world view... regardless of evidence. plus, group think encourages people to go along with the status quo and not 'rock the boat' for fear of being labeled an outsider.

one thing i didn't see in the video thatwas really fishy about the whole thing was Bush saying he saw the first plane going into the first building as he was about to go inside the classroom, as if it were shown live... heh, I was 16 when it happened and rememeber that morning all too well... all the reporteres were cluelessand even callingresidentswho lived nearby to ask what happened to the wtc, and they told them a plane flew into it.I also just thought it was odd how they immediately knew exactly who it was who commited all these actions so soon afterwards.

if you don't believe 9/11 was an inside job, thats fine.people have the right to believe whatever they want... :)butyou have to admit that the whole thing was a bit fishy.. especially how all those fighter jets that supposedly could haveshot the planes downwere performing drills in order to stop planes flying into buildings... all the while planes were flown in to buildings.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"]Pretty convincing.MushroomWig

Anything can be made very convincing when said in a very sarcastic voice, very quickly, with lots of little videos and pictures sliced together (and taken heavily out of context).

Yet somehow after 11 years, 50k+ bodies, and 3+ trillion debt, not a single person has ever come forth with any insider evidence that it was an inside job. You would think just one person would have a heart.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"]Pretty convincing.MushroomWig

Anything can be made very convincing when said in a very sarcastic voice, very quickly, with lots of little videos and pictures sliced together (and taken heavily out of context).

Yet somehow after 11 years, 50k+ bodies, and 3+ trillion debt, not a single person has ever come forth with any insider evidence that it was an inside job. You would think just one person would have a heart.

thats apples and oranges. i believe we went to the moon. but everything surrounding 9/11, especially wtc 7 is just really odd.

Yeah they'd come forward and be praised...? No, they will be killed. And they would rather not diminish the face of the USA by telling billions the truth. MickeyTheNinja

See that's the menality. It's always a conspiracy. This is why no matter how out-there the theories are, they'll never want to believe the truth. Sometimes, it's just not a conspiracy.

[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"] Yeah they'd come forward and be praised...? No, they will be killed. And they would rather not diminish the face of the USA by telling billions the truth. Wasdie

See that's the menality. It's always a conspiracy. This is why no matter how out-there the theories are, they'll never want to believe the truth. Sometimes, it's just not a conspiracy.

isn't it a fallacy to state that just because someone believes something that goes against popular belief,or thatseems illogical to some,that its untrue or an "out-there" theory?

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"]Pretty convincing.Wasdie

Anything can be made very convincing when said in a very sarcastic tone, very quickly, with lots of little videos and pictures sliced together (and taken heavily out of context), all while appealing to lay the burdan of proof on those who watch the movie.

Yet somehow after 11 years, 50k+ bodies, and 3+ trillion debt, not a single person has ever come forth with any insider evidence that it was an inside job. You would think just one person would have a heart.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"]Pretty convincing.lloveLamp

Anything can be made very convincing when said in a very sarcastic tone, very quickly, with lots of little videos and pictures sliced together (and taken heavily out of context), all while appealing to lay the burdan of proof on those who watch the movie.

Yet somehow after 11 years, 50k+ bodies, and 3+ trillion debt, not a single person has ever come forth with any insider evidence that it was an inside job. You would think just one person would have a heart.

hehe, wasn't it like 40 years or something like that?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"] Yeah they'd come forward and be praised...? No, they will be killed. And they would rather not diminish the face of the USA by telling billions the truth. Scoob64

See that's the menality. It's always a conspiracy. This is why no matter how out-there the theories are, they'll never want to believe the truth. Sometimes, it's just not a conspiracy.

isn't it a fallacy to state that just because someone believes something that goes against popular belief,or thatseems illogical to some,that its untrue or an "out-there" theory?

It's a bold statement argument. The thing is, with these small youtube videos, it's really easy to make your evidence seem a lot more plausible than it really is. Again overly sarcastic tone, lots of little pictures and quick shorts taken out of context, sarcastically saying that everybody who disagrees with you is just a blinded patriot.

Their evidnce isn't nearly convincing enough and there are usually a lot of stuff they purposely leave out just to make it sound more convincing.

For example that whole "Bin Laden somehow escaped from Tora Bora" thing. He obviously has no idea what Tora Bora really is, yet he makes it sound really convincing.

Tora Bora is the real world equivalent to Mordor. The battle fought there rivals everything fought during Vietnam more or less. Anybody who has half a brain could have slipped out of there pretty easily during chaotic fighting. He didn't mention that did he?

[QUOTE="Scoob64"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

See that's the menality. It's always a conspiracy. This is why no matter how out-there the theories are, they'll never want to believe the truth. Sometimes, it's just not a conspiracy.

Wasdie

isn't it a fallacy to state that just because someone believes something that goes against popular belief,or thatseems illogical to some,that its untrue or an "out-there" theory?

It's a bold statement argument. The thing is, with these small youtube videos, it's really easy to make your evidence seem a lot more plausible than it really is. Again overly sarcastic tone, lots of little pictures and quick shorts taken out of context, sarcastically saying that everybody who disagrees with you is just a blinded patriot.

Their evidnce isn't nearly convincing enough and there are usually a lot of stuff they purposely leave out just to make it sound more convincing.

For example that whole "Bin Laden somehow escaped from Tora Bora" thing. He obviously has no idea what Tora Bora really is, yet he makes it sound really convincing.

Tora Bora is the real world equivalent to Mordor. The battle fought there rivals everything fought during Vietnam more or less. Anybody who has half a brain could have slipped out of there pretty easily during chaotic fighting. He didn't mention that did he?

i would just encourage for people to do their homework and NOT believe the first thing thats told them, whether it be by the media, YouTube video... etc.that seems to be the problem with many today- they are intellectually lazy, and they choose a cause to fight for and defendwithout first properly investigating it... same as with many people choosing a religion. i think the video is good in that it may not convince people, but its gets people thinking...

the sad part is that if anyone dares to think against the grain, or view an opinion differing from the status-quo, they are labeled a nut-case, or synonymously, a conspiracy theorist... . making people afraid to express unpopular speech is dangerous, at least in my opinion... like its been said, the first amendment doesn't exist so we can talk about the weather, it exists to protect unpopular, or controversial viewpoints.

perhaps people should embrace others opinions, or at least respectfully dismiss, rather than firing a personal attack just because their views do not coincide with their opposition.

People who believe one conspiracy tend to believe all conspiracy theories

i would just encourage for people to do their homework and NOT believe the first thing thats told them, whether it be by the media, YouTube video... etc.that seems to be the problem with many today- they are intellectually lazy, and they choose a cause to fight for and defendwithout first properly investigating it... same as with many people choosing a religion. i think the video is good in that it may not convince people, but its gets people thinking...

the sad part is that if anyone dares to think against the grain, or view an opinion differing from the status-quo, they are labeled a nut-case, or synonymously, a conspiracy theorist... . making people afraid to express unpopular speech is dangerous, at least in my opinion... like its been said, the first amendment doesn't exist so we can talk about the weather, it exists to protect unpopular, or controversial viewpoints.

perhaps people should embrace others opinions, or at least respectfully dismiss, rather than firing a personal attack just because their views do not coincide with their opposition.

Scoob64

If you bring a compelling argument with good evidence forth, you're not labeled a nutcase. Now we've been examining the evidence this guy brought forth for 10 years now. Most of it is utter BS but some of it is worth questioning. However, it's really easy to spin it as totally true and we are all sheep for believing the government.

He plays the victim with the tone of voice. He says how he is labeled crazy for having different views and everybody else always thinks they are right. He takes kind of a passive-agressive tone that is very convincing.

People who believe one conspiracy tend to believe all conspiracy theories

The_Gaming_Baby

[QUOTE="Scoob64"]

i would just encourage for people to do their homework and NOT believe the first thing thats told them, whether it be by the media, YouTube video... etc.that seems to be the problem with many today- they are intellectually lazy, and they choose a cause to fight for and defendwithout first properly investigating it... same as with many people choosing a religion. i think the video is good in that it may not convince people, but its gets people thinking...

the sad part is that if anyone dares to think against the grain, or view an opinion differing from the status-quo, they are labeled a nut-case, or synonymously, a conspiracy theorist... . making people afraid to express unpopular speech is dangerous, at least in my opinion... like its been said, the first amendment doesn't exist so we can talk about the weather, it exists to protect unpopular, or controversial viewpoints.

perhaps people should embrace others opinions, or at least respectfully dismiss, rather than firing a personal attack just because their views do not coincide with their opposition.

Wasdie

If you bring a compelling argument with good evidence forth, you're not labeled a nutcase. Now we've been examining the evidence this guy brought forth for 10 years now. Most of it is utter BS but some of it is worth questioning. However, it's really easy to spin it as totally true and we are all sheep for believing the government.

He plays the victim with the tone of voice. He says how he is labeled crazy for having different views and everybody else always thinks they are right. He takes kind of a passive-agressive tone that is very convincing.

but thats just the tone of the entire 9/11 debate... or almost any heated debate, especially involving politics or world events,is going to take a somewhat cynical, aggressive, or passive aggressivetone. those who believe it was an inside job calls those who don't sheep and blind... those who don't believe call those who do nutcases... its just the way its going to be. look at how politicians respond when asked about 9/11- Bill Clinton flew off the handle... lol... i'm just saying we should be able to ask questions to our officials... especially controversial ones... and citizens should have a more "questioning" tone when viewing elected officials- i just feel that today people are so blind and trusting... we need to have good kitchen table arguments :-D As the late George Carlin said, the government doesn't want people educated enough to sit around the kitchen table and realize how badly they are being ****** up the *** by a system that thew them overboardyears ago. debate and thinking has ALWAYS been good for this country... we should encourage debate and critical thinking in order to keep the powers that govern us in check.

People who believe one conspiracy tend to believe all conspiracy theories

The_Gaming_Baby

that is absolutely ridiculous.

what i don't get about people in this country is that they many believe in an invisible man in the sky who created people out of dust in a garden with a talking snake and magic fruit... and that a 700 year old man built a boat that had 2 of every creature in it while the entire world was flooded... that is perfectly sane.

yet, if you say 9/11 was an inside job, you are a certified nutcase and you believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny.

Yeah they'd come forward and be praised...? No, they will be killed. And they would rather not diminish the face of the USA by telling billions the truth. MickeyTheNinja

Killed? If the prevalence of all these 9/11 conspiracies proves one thing, it's that the US government has no problem with people talking about 9/11 conspiracies.

Anything can be made very convincing when said in a very sarcastic tone, very quickly, with lots of little videos and pictures sliced together (and taken heavily out of context), all while appealing to lay the burdan of proof on those who watch the movie.

Yet somehow after 11 years, 50k+ bodies, and 3+ trillion debt, not a single person has ever come forth with any insider evidence that it was an inside job. You would think just one person would have a heart.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"] Yeah they'd come forward and be praised...? No, they will be killed. And they would rather not diminish the face of the USA by telling billions the truth. Wasdie

See that's the menality. It's always a conspiracy. This is why no matter how out-there the theories are, they'll never want to believe the truth. Sometimes, it's just not a conspiracy.

[QUOTE="Scoob64"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

See that's the menality. It's always a conspiracy. This is why no matter how out-there the theories are, they'll never want to believe the truth. Sometimes, it's just not a conspiracy.

Wasdie

isn't it a fallacy to state that just because someone believes something that goes against popular belief,or thatseems illogical to some,that its untrue or an "out-there" theory?

It's a bold statement argument. The thing is, with these small youtube videos, it's really easy to make your evidence seem a lot more plausible than it really is. Again overly sarcastic tone, lots of little pictures and quick shorts taken out of context, sarcastically saying that everybody who disagrees with you is just a blinded patriot.

Their evidnce isn't nearly convincing enough and there are usually a lot of stuff they purposely leave out just to make it sound more convincing.

For example that whole "Bin Laden somehow escaped from Tora Bora" thing. He obviously has no idea what Tora Bora really is, yet he makes it sound really convincing.

Tora Bora is the real world equivalent to Mordor. The battle fought there rivals everything fought during Vietnam more or less. Anybody who has half a brain could have slipped out of there pretty easily during chaotic fighting. He didn't mention that did he?

Sorry about the tripple but I was having trouble with the quotes.

People who believe one conspiracy tend to believe all conspiracy theories

The_Gaming_Baby

[QUOTE="Scoob64"]

i would just encourage for people to do their homework and NOT believe the first thing thats told them, whether it be by the media, YouTube video... etc.that seems to be the problem with many today- they are intellectually lazy, and they choose a cause to fight for and defendwithout first properly investigating it... same as with many people choosing a religion. i think the video is good in that it may not convince people, but its gets people thinking...

the sad part is that if anyone dares to think against the grain, or view an opinion differing from the status-quo, they are labeled a nut-case, or synonymously, a conspiracy theorist... . making people afraid to express unpopular speech is dangerous, at least in my opinion... like its been said, the first amendment doesn't exist so we can talk about the weather, it exists to protect unpopular, or controversial viewpoints.

perhaps people should embrace others opinions, or at least respectfully dismiss, rather than firing a personal attack just because their views do not coincide with their opposition.

Wasdie

If you bring a compelling argument with good evidence forth, you're not labeled a nutcase. Now we've been examining the evidence this guy brought forth for 10 years now. Most of it is utter BS but some of it is worth questioning. However, it's really easy to spin it as totally true and we are all sheep for believing the government.

He plays the victim with the tone of voice. He says how he is labeled crazy for having different views and everybody else always thinks they are right. He takes kind of a passive-agressive tone that is very convincing.

indeed theres alot of evidence around 9/11 and everytime someone brings it up they get shown the door and everytime those that want to know more ask they get shown the door. which is why 1st responders (the majority of them) have horrible health problems they arent getting covered medically for (or of a proper level of coverage). its also why they were BARRED from the 10th anniversary and why they set up security checkpoints as far as 10 blocks away from the site when obama n co were present and instead used jumbotrons to show u what was going on down there.

its utter ridiculous nonsense what has transpired to those who should be celebrated along with those that want answers as to why they arent getting celebrated. "9/11 conspiracy theories". they have nothing but good intentions behind tham, i see no reason for people to give them such hate especially if everytime we as individuals or a group bring one up and get dodged, ignored, or kept impractically far away.

its all a little to "inviting" that the government doesnt jsut give us more answers or give us a new independant and 3rd party investigation.

so 1.6k engineers and architects have also called for a new one.. yet nobody does anything:

http://www.ae911truth.org/

I still can't believe how many people beleive the US was responsible for 9/11. I'm not talking about those people who think the US allowed it to happen but the ones who beleive in the full on controlled demolition, Cruze missile hitting Pentagon conspiracy. They get so caught up in their beliefs that they ignore anything to the contrary or fail to see the big picture.

[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"] I know, it's like the moon landing conspiracies , you'd think that someone would of come forward by now.MirkoS77

excuse me you mean the same 1st responders who are sick are being disrespected by the "truthers". and yet they were barred from the 10th anniversary for no real reason and needed to jump through ridiculous hoops to get any government granted medical coverage. and what they did get is pretty well unsatisfactory..

so those that are dead are important not those that are basically going to die. yet are sitll alive.. that makes perfect sense :roll:

All I'm saying is to ask questions amateurs!!

Do your research. It has happened, a lot. I can't be bothered looking it up right now but if you want me to, tell me and I will. But I'll tell you right now that on youtube there's a video of a Former FBI Chief saying it was an inside job. The video description has a link to a transcript as well as it's sources. I haven't really looked at it much, as I'm pretty tired right now. But I thought it was worth pointing out.

Skull-Fire

Ted Gunderson? There's a few of his videos around.

I still can't believe how many people beleive the US was responsible for 9/11. I'm not talking about those people who think the US allowed it to happen but the ones who beleive in the full on controlled demolition, Cruze missile hitting Pentagon conspiracy. They get so caught up in their beliefs that they ignore anything to the contrary or fail to see the big picture.

mattisgod01

cruise missle lawl never heard that claim before.. im fairly certain it wasnt that XD.

and even if it did result from a bunch of middle eastern terrorists. why the f has nobody had hammers drop on them for letting it happen. instead some of em even got moved up the foodchain.

[QUOTE="Skull-Fire"]

Do your research. It has happened, a lot. I can't be bothered looking it up right now but if you want me to, tell me and I will. But I'll tell you right now that on youtube there's a video of a Former FBI Chief saying it was an inside job. The video description has a link to a transcript as well as it's sources. I haven't really looked at it much, as I'm pretty tired right now. But I thought it was worth pointing out.

cheese_game619

Ted Gunderson? There's a few of his videos around.

It would have taken years to plan and involved hundreds if not thousands of people. Not a single one grew a consciounce before the event? Not a single person so called "In The Know" thought to leak the plan in advance and you know...Stop it from happening. If they didn't know about it before what makes you think they did after?

Yeah, you are, actually. You have just been presented with evidence proving it was an inside job and you still dismiss it. I have been called crazy loads of times. One of the main problems with getting people to believe this, is what you're doing. Paying attention to all the little things that don't matter. Finding any insignificant error and concentrating on that, while ignoring the facts. It doesn't matter HOW he says it. It's WHAT he says that matters. Eye witnesses, most plane debris at the Pentagon being non-existent (not even a single wing), people that work or have worked the FBI and other places that have access to this kind of information speaking out about it, Building 7 collapsing when it shouldn't have, it being reported to have collapsed (I think it was 20 minutes) BEFORE it actually did. The list could go on for a long time...

Skull-Fire

That plane was full of fuel, flying hundreds of miles an hour into a concrete and steel reinforced building. It would disintegrate in an instant, and what didn't would be destroyed by the initial explosion and following fire. I imagine you're referring to the Pentagon being hit with a missile here, and I have a question that I haven't heard those who believe it was an inside job address:

Why in the world would we attack our own building with a missile instead of a plane? Why take that risk? They KNOW tons of people will be witnessing whatever it is that crashes into the building. In fact, many eye witness accounts exist from people who claim they saw a plane strike the Pentagon. So why NOT hi-jack and use a plane to keep the illusion of a terrorist attack instead of intentionally using a missile that would immediately raise suspicion that it was launched from one of our planes? It makes no sense.There is absolutely no reason why they should or would use a missile as opposed to a plane, and if there is I'd appreciate an explanation as to why it'd be preferable. It's much more effort to cover up, and I only see cons.

And I always hear these ridiculous theories about controlled demolitions. All specifics aside, take a large step back and look at the larger picture. Has anybody ever asked themselves if the buildings collapsing was essential to create enough justification for going abroad into the Middle East to do whatever it is that we found killing 3,000 of our own citizens necessary for? You can bet your bottom dollar that if the towers were still standing today we would have taken the exact same course of action that we have so far. The four planes crashing was easily enough rationale. That the towers collapsed was horrific, but it would be overkill in order to accomplish what all the theorists say was required to get support to go to war.

the president of the us can't even get a bj without the whole world knowing about it yet the government can pull off a cover up of this magnitude?comp_atkins

obama has a custom made iphone.. did you know that?

the president of the us can't even get a bj without the whole world knowing about it yet the government can pull off a cover up of this magnitude?comp_atkins

This also. That people believe an operation of such magnitude with so many involved can be kept secret as well as it has for so long is utterly laughable. Logistically speaking, if what all the theorists claim ends up to be true, I'd consider that it was pulled off so well a miracle.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]the president of the us can't even get a bj without the whole world knowing about it yet the government can pull off a cover up of this magnitude?ionusX

obama has a custom made iphone.. did you know that?

[QUOTE="cheese_game619"]

[QUOTE="Skull-Fire"]

Do your research. It has happened, a lot. I can't be bothered looking it up right now but if you want me to, tell me and I will. But I'll tell you right now that on youtube there's a video of a Former FBI Chief saying it was an inside job. The video description has a link to a transcript as well as it's sources. I haven't really looked at it much, as I'm pretty tired right now. But I thought it was worth pointing out.

mattisgod01

Ted Gunderson? There's a few of his videos around.

It would have taken years to plan and involved hundreds if not thousands of people. Not a single one grew a consciounce before the event? Not a single person so called "In The Know" thought to leak the plan in advance and you know...Stop it from happening. If they didn't know about it before what makes you think they did after?

Why on Earth would they involve thousands of people? This is the most secretive organisation in the world, they make the Mafia look like a tea party and there are still people speaking out, like the ones pictured in TC's video.

If you honestly think that the CIA gives a damn about Bill getting his dick wet and that this incident means the most powerful government in the world can't keep a secret then there isn't much hope of getting any sort of information through to you. Just for the record, I'm not even someone that goes around claiming 9/11 was an inside job - I'm just not going to believe what the media tells me because it's convenient.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="cheese_game619"]

Ted Gunderson? There's a few of his videos around.

cheese_game619

It would have taken years to plan and involved hundreds if not thousands of people. Not a single one grew a consciounce before the event? Not a single person so called "In The Know" thought to leak the plan in advance and you know...Stop it from happening. If they didn't know about it before what makes you think they did after?

Why on Earth would they involve thousands of people? This is the most secretive organisation in the world, they make the Mafia look like a tea party and there are still people speaking out, like the ones pictured in TC's video.

If you honestly think that the CIA gives a damn about Bill getting his dick wet and that this incident means the most powerful government in the world can't keep a secret then there isn't much hope of getting any sort of information through to you. Just for the record, I'm not even someone that goes around claiming 9/11 was an inside job - I'm just not going to believe what the media tells me because it's convenient.

Find me 1 person who spoke out about it before the event. Do you honestly beleive the CIA, Military and Government would murder their own people? We are not talking about faceless organisations here but real human beings who are being accused of one of the worst crimes imaginable. For anyone to beleive the Twin towers were brought down by a controlled demolition has no idea how much work it takes to rig buildings the size of the twin towers. We arn't talking about a simple secret here, We are talking about mass murder and treason. I find it very hard to beleive you could find enough people in the US government needed to pull it off to also be 100% complicit and fine with it. Its easy to point out the people who say it was an inside job but you ignore the other 99.9% of people who say it wasn't. Are they just wrong or are they complicit too?

[QUOTE="cheese_game619"]

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

It would have taken years to plan and involved hundreds if not thousands of people. Not a single one grew a consciounce before the event? Not a single person so called "In The Know" thought to leak the plan in advance and you know...Stop it from happening. If they didn't know about it before what makes you think they did after?

mattisgod01

Why on Earth would they involve thousands of people? This is the most secretive organisation in the world, they make the Mafia look like a tea party and there are still people speaking out, like the ones pictured in TC's video.

If you honestly think that the CIA gives a damn about Bill getting his dick wet and that this incident means the most powerful government in the world can't keep a secret then there isn't much hope of getting any sort of information through to you. Just for the record, I'm not even someone that goes around claiming 9/11 was an inside job - I'm just not going to believe what the media tells me because it's convenient.

Find me 1 person who spoke out about it before the event. Do you honestly beleive the CIA, Military and Government would murder their own people? We are not talking about faceless organisations here but real human beings who are being accused of one of the worst crimes imaginable. For anyone to beleive the Twin towers were brought down by a controlled demolition has no idea how much work it takes to rig buildings the size of the twin towers. We arn't talking about a simple secret here, We are talking about mass murder and treason. I find it very hard to beleive you could find enough people in the US government needed to pull it off to also be 100% complicit and fine with it. Its easy to point out the people who say it was an inside job but you ignore the other 99.9% of people who say it wasn't. Are they just wrong or are they complicit too?

I think it's possible for people to be that cold and that organised, yes.

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]the president of the us can't even get a bj without the whole world knowing about it yet the government can pull off a cover up of this magnitude?comp_atkins

obama has a custom made iphone.. did you know that?

Well, you compared killing thousands of civilians in open sight of millions of people with one guy getting a BJ. :P

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]the president of the us can't even get a bj without the whole world knowing about it yet the government can pull off a cover up of this magnitude?comp_atkins

obama has a custom made iphone.. did you know that?

mo im asking if you knew if he had one.. dont twist my posts.

if you didnt then its obvious that obama can hdie things form people as can the rest of the government.

[QUOTE="Skull-Fire"]

Yeah, you are, actually. You have just been presented with evidence proving it was an inside job and you still dismiss it. I have been called crazy loads of times. One of the main problems with getting people to believe this, is what you're doing. Paying attention to all the little things that don't matter. Finding any insignificant error and concentrating on that, while ignoring the facts. It doesn't matter HOW he says it. It's WHAT he says that matters. Eye witnesses, most plane debris at the Pentagon being non-existent (not even a single wing), people that work or have worked the FBI and other places that have access to this kind of information speaking out about it, Building 7 collapsing when it shouldn't have, it being reported to have collapsed (I think it was 20 minutes) BEFORE it actually did. The list could go on for a long time...

MirkoS77

That plane was full of fuel, flying hundreds of miles an hour into a concrete and steel reinforced building. It would disintegrate in an instant, and what didn't would be destroyed by the initial explosion and following fire. I imagine you're referring to the Pentagon being hit with a missile here, and I have a question that I haven't heard those who believe it was an inside job address:

Why in the world would we attack our own building with a missile instead of a plane? Why take that risk? They KNOW tons of people will be witnessing whatever it is that crashes into the building. In fact, many eye witness accounts exist from people who claim they saw a plane strike the Pentagon. So why NOT hi-jack and use a plane to keep the illusion of a terrorist attack instead of intentionally using a missile that would immediately raise suspicion that it was launched from one of our planes? It makes no sense.There is absolutely no reason why they should or would use a missile as opposed to a plane, and if there is I'd appreciate an explanation as to why it'd be preferable. It's much more effort to cover up, and I only see cons.

And I always hear these ridiculous theories about controlled demolitions. All specifics aside, take a large step back and look at the larger picture. Has anybody ever asked themselves if the buildings collapsing was essential to create enough justification for going abroad into the Middle East to do whatever it is that we found killing 3,000 of our own citizens necessary for? You can bet your bottom dollar that if the towers were still standing today we would have taken the exact same course of action that we have so far. The four planes crashing was easily enough rationale. That the towers collapsed was horrific, but it would be overkill in order to accomplish what all the theorists say was required to get support to go to war.

the president of the us can't even get a bj without the whole world knowing about it yet the government can pull off a cover up of this magnitude?comp_atkins

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It would have taken years to plan and involved hundreds if not thousands of people. Not a single one grew a consciounce before the event? Not a single person so called "In The Know" thought to leak the plan in advance and you know...Stop it from happening. If they didn't know about it before what makes you think they did after?

mattisgod01

Why on Earth would they involve thousands of people? This is the most secretive organisation in the world, they make the Mafia look like a tea party and there are still people speaking out, like the ones pictured in TC's video.

If you honestly think that the CIA gives a damn about Bill getting his dick wet and that this incident means the most powerful government in the world can't keep a secret then there isn't much hope of getting any sort of information through to you. Just for the record, I'm not even someone that goes around claiming 9/11 was an inside job - I'm just not going to believe what the media tells me because it's convenient.

Find me 1 person who spoke out about it before the event. Do you honestly beleive the CIA, Military and Government would murder their own people? We are not talking about faceless organisations here but real human beings who are being accused of one of the worst crimes imaginable. For anyone to beleive the Twin towers were brought down by a controlled demolition has no idea how much work it takes to rig buildings the size of the twin towers. We arn't talking about a simple secret here, We are talking about mass murder and treason. I find it very hard to beleive you could find enough people in the US government needed to pull it off to also be 100% complicit and fine with it. Its easy to point out the people who say it was an inside job but you ignore the other 99.9% of people who say it wasn't. Are they just wrong or are they complicit too?

Here (the normal linking way wont work, neithe rwill BBC Code): http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1753.cfm

Just another person taking advantage of open minded people.

Just another person taking advantage of open minded people.

OfficerLeach_

I don't necessarily believe in the 9/11 conspiracy, but I know something happened that isn't being told to us; black boxes don't just disappear.

I think the reason for using a missile, instead of the plane, might be because of the Pentagon's security and they didn't want to risk someone finding out the plane was flying way off course and toward the Pentagon. If someone found out it had been hijacked, they might have shot it down (though I have absolutely no idea of the procedure for situations like that but if they believe all the passengers are going to die anyway, they might do it to save more lives in the end). So yeah, I'm not one of those people that think everyone that could be involved, is.

Skull-Fire

But this is supposedly an inside job we're talking about here. Obviously they would have the guy in charge of AA take the day off, pay him to keep quiet, or some other crazy nut theory. Doing that would be much better than using a missile and then having to go around, gather FBI tapes, hunt down and bribe all witnesses to keep their mouths shut, etc.,right?

Not having the Towers collapse wouldn't have made the story as good (from their point of view, as well as the Media's). They needed to make sure they could sell it to everyone, or at least enough people. So why not make it as devastating as possible if they have the ability? No point leaving it to chance, even if it's a small one. Skull-Fire

Even if the towers had not collapsed, it still would have easily been sold to everyone. I can guarantee you that mostly everyone on Sep 12th was filled with blood lust, and would have been just as much had the towers survived. And even if there were people left that somehow thought we had no call to take action, they'd be in the minority and certainly couldn't blame our government's reaction. We would have all we needed.

Also, the risk that would be necessary to rig the buildings to blow would be something extra to worry about. I get the impression most who believe the buildings were brought down by demolition have absolutely NO concept of how elaborate and complex a job like that is to do. I mean, think about it. This is not something that can be done in one night, especially with buildings that large. That is a MASSIVE job that probably would take many weeks to set-up, and would most certainly not go unnoticed. Explosives need to be placed on the underlying structure, which is why condemned buildings are gutted before being rigged up. Yea, someone would notice floors and roofs being stripped clean in order to do this.