A list of "terror plots" that were actually hatched by the FBI

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Yes, lists of "risky" people.  That's worked out well.  :roll:

hartsickdiscipl

You're so full of sh!t.  Typical arrogant, delusional. dystopian prole.  

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

Whether you agree with this method of catching  "terrorists" or not, this should make you think.  Are our law enforcement agencies going about this the wrong way?  Is creating a crisis and a bunch of positive media hype for themselves, the "heroes" who stopped the bad men, really what they are supposed to be doing? 

Of course not.  

Helping to create a criminal or criminal act is never right.  Yet, they continue to do it.  

Please discuss.   

you're a moron. 

/discussion

I seriously doubt your average joe is going to get caught up in something like this. You have to have malicious intent in the first place and if you follow through with these actions you deserve the consequences. 

Ah hartsick is confused in yet another thread.....LJS9502_basic

Please explain.  

The way I see it this is textbook entrapment. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]The way I see it this is textbook entrapment. LJS9502_basic

You do realise that the FBI (and the rest of the government for that matter) consists of normal people not crazy mass murderers right?

Reminded me of this:

I seriously doubt your average joe is going to get caught up in something like this. You have to have malicious intent in the first place and if you follow through with these actions you deserve the consequences. 

Yusuke420

I seriously doubt your average joe is going to get caught up in something like this. You have to have malicious intent in the first place and if you follow through with these actions you deserve the consequences. 

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]The way I see it this is textbook entrapment. LJS9502_basic

Yes, of course I cry entrapment when cops pretend to be kids on the internet to get predators.  They created a fictional victim.  There is no crime.  

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

I seriously doubt your average joe is going to get caught up in something like this. You have to have malicious intent in the first place and if you follow through with these actions you deserve the consequences. 

-Sun_Tzu-

You do realise that the FBI (and the rest of the government for that matter) consists of normal people not crazy mass murderers right?

frannkzappa

Apparently not.  

You do realise that the FBI (and the rest of the government for that matter) consists of normal people not crazy mass murderers, right?

frannkzappa

I like to think that if they're not stupid and naive then they're sell outs who are loyal to the highest bidder.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]The way I see it this is textbook entrapment. hartsickdiscipl

Yes, of course I cry entrapment when cops pretend to be kids on the internet to get predators.  They created a fictional victim.  There is no crime.  

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

I seriously doubt your average joe is going to get caught up in something like this. You have to have malicious intent in the first place and if you follow through with these actions you deserve the consequences. 

Yusuke420

I'm glad I haven't hit the rock bottom of worldviews like TC has

I would hate to see conspiracies everywhere.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Not really. I mean do you cry entrapment when cops pretend to be kids on the internet to get predators. It's up to the individual whether they engage or walk away. And if they engage....they deserve it.Yusuke420

Yes, of course I cry entrapment when cops pretend to be kids on the internet to get predators.  They created a fictional victim.  There is no crime.  

What children?

I'm glad I haven't hit the rock bottom of worldviews like TC has

wis3boi

The truth hurts.  

These people weren't just thinking about it, they were taking steps toward making it a reality. I know you are all about peoples rights, but people DON'T have a right to commit a crime, with or without aid from undercovers. 

These people weren't just thinking about it, they were taking steps toward making it a reality. I know you are all about peoples rights, but people DON'T have a right to commit a crime, with or without aid from undercovers. 

Yusuke420

There was no child in danger, therefore there is obviously no crime.  

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Yes, of course I cry entrapment when cops pretend to be kids on the internet to get predators.  They created a fictional victim.  There is no crime.  

hartsickdiscipl

What children?

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

These people weren't just thinking about it, they were taking steps toward making it a reality. I know you are all about peoples rights, but people DON'T have a right to commit a crime, with or without aid from undercovers. 

hartsickdiscipl

There was no child in danger, therefore there is obviously no crime.  

These people weren't just thinking about it, they were taking steps toward making it a reality. I know you are all about peoples rights, but people DON'T have a right to commit a crime, with or without aid from undercovers. 

Yusuke420

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] The crime is trying to talk to children on the internet. If you aren't actively seeking sexual intercourse with children, you won't end up in this situation!

Yusuke420

What children?

What they thought is irrelevant.  It wasn't real.  I'm going to create an exact visual replica of my car and park it really close to someone in the parking lot.  When they hit it with their door, I'm going to say that they damaged my car and are liable for $300 in repairs.  I'll even catch it on video.  

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

These people weren't just thinking about it, they were taking steps toward making it a reality. I know you are all about peoples rights, but people DON'T have a right to commit a crime, with or without aid from undercovers. 

-Sun_Tzu-

Precisely.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

These people weren't just thinking about it, they were taking steps toward making it a reality. I know you are all about peoples rights, but people DON'T have a right to commit a crime, with or without aid from undercovers. 

Yusuke420

There was no child in danger, therefore there is obviously no crime.  

Bullsh!t.  

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

These people weren't just thinking about it, they were taking steps toward making it a reality. I know you are all about peoples rights, but people DON'T have a right to commit a crime, with or without aid from undercovers. 

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

These people weren't just thinking about it, they were taking steps toward making it a reality. I know you are all about peoples rights, but people DON'T have a right to commit a crime, with or without aid from undercovers. 

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

What children?

hartsickdiscipl

What they thought is irrelevant.  It wasn't real.  I'm going to create an exact visual replica of my car and park it really close to someone in the parking lot.  When they hit it with their door, I'm going to say that they damaged my car and are liable for $300 in repairs.  I'll even catch it on video.  

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

These people weren't just thinking about it, they were taking steps toward making it a reality. I know you are all about peoples rights, but people DON'T have a right to commit a crime, with or without aid from undercovers. 

LJS9502_basic

The law is supposed to respond to REAL threats to REAL victims, not push them into existence when they might never have come to fruition.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] Obviously operations like this are conducted in chat rooms are they frequented by young children and predators looking to take advantage of them. They didn't just randomly strike up a conversation with these people. You think the folks on "To Catch a Predator" thought they were going to be meeting an adult?

fueled-system

What they thought is irrelevant.  It wasn't real.  I'm going to create an exact visual replica of my car and park it really close to someone in the parking lot.  When they hit it with their door, I'm going to say that they damaged my car and are liable for $300 in repairs.  I'll even catch it on video.  

Why?  No real victim, no real car.  No real damage.  No crime.  

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

There was no child in danger, therefore there is obviously no crime.  

hartsickdiscipl

Bullsh!t.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] If it was a real child, they obviously would hae been in danger! Thus the action itself, reguardless of the fact no child was involved was CRIMINAL!

Yusuke420

Bullsh!t.  

Sure, if there is a real minor in play.  

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] They weren't taking any steps towards making it a reality until government informants persuaded them to, and these informants typically are the ones who find them - not the other way around. hartsickdiscipl

The law is supposed to respond to REAL threats to REAL victims, not push them into existence when they might never have come to fruition.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It's not impossible for them to say no.....Yusuke420

The law is supposed to respond to REAL threats to REAL victims, not push them into existence when they might never have come to fruition.  

That's a hell of a lot better than actively goading people into doing things.  Where is the justice in that?

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Bullsh!t.  

hartsickdiscipl

Sure, if there is a real minor in play.  

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] They weren't taking any steps towards making it a reality until government informants persuaded them to, and these informants typically are the ones who find them - not the other way around. hartsickdiscipl

The law is supposed to respond to REAL threats to REAL victims, not push them into existence when they might never have come to fruition.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] Is soliciting a minor a crime, yes or no?

Yusuke420

Sure, if there is a real minor in play.  

If the kid was the one doing the chatting online as well, sure.  

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

The law is supposed to respond to REAL threats to REAL victims, not push them into existence when they might never have come to fruition.  

hartsickdiscipl

That's a hell of a lot better than actively goading people into doing things.  Where is the justice in that?

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] In other worlds, wait for the sh!t to hit the fan and then react poorly due to being unprepared. You are unbelievable. 

Yusuke420

That's a hell of a lot better than actively goading people into doing things.  Where is the justice in that?

So you're basically saying that a person who is predisposed to commit a crime may as well have already done it?  So what if they're not a "normal person?"  That's a crime now?

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

That's a hell of a lot better than actively goading people into doing things.  Where is the justice in that?

hartsickdiscipl

So you're basically saying that a person who is predisposed to commit a crime may as well have already done it?  So what if they're not a "normal person?"  That's a crime now?