A perfect theory combing Evolution and Creation! TEH UBER THEORY!

EDIT: This first part is the 'draft'; the original. Based on the newest comments, i've tidied it up accordingly.

EDIT: Yes mods, I have edited this and combed through the whole message many times to ensure I don't attack anyone/say a bad word/talk in leet speak/include politics. This is totally ban free, at last.

REVISED VERSION:

This Idea assumes A) There is God, B) All events in bible history occured between 4000 BC and 30 or so AD (whenever Jesus died), C) That Evolution is True, and D) That Creation is true.

Evolution is required to create organisms capable of living on their own in communities. Evolution allows for an animal to adapt to its surroundings. You can find this proof elsewhere.

Creation is the tricky bit. Many people say it can naturally NOT coexist with Evolution. I believe otherwise. This is how I suppose one could see history if they believed that both ideas coexist:

-Big bang happened, blah blah blah

-Earth is formed 5 Bil years ago, blah blah blah

-Our moon hits us and helps life form, blah blah blah

At this point, one could either say A) God nudges life into the direction he wants it, or B) God had all this happen and/or set in place a chain of events that would create Humans and other organisms and whatever aliense are out there.

-Teh dinos live, then die

-our rodent ancestor lives, then evolves through history into us

This now assumes that the last ten thousand years have been the most important for this particular of God's experiments. Thus, these years have shaped us into what we are today. We are still being made, except it is no longer physical. We are taught what to do and what not to do, to make decisions for ourselves, therefore giving reason as to why we were given free will.

EDIT: I removed my defense on creation, at risk of banhammer. Look below for the new explanation.

All I can really say is I was shown the dates of JEsus, and given a solid Catholic education throughout my life.

This stuff is taught at nearly every Catholic school in the U.S., people!

Now, the funny thing is, I had a speaker come to my school (HS) a few months ago, saying why Creation cannot coexist with Evolution. I told him this at the end of his speech so the teachers wouldn't be angry with me....and it killed his idea. He couldn't back up himself, and he couldn't prove this wrong. This was the so-called Californian expert and national expert on Creation. Sad that I didn't write down his name xD. I could get his foundation's web address if I digged hard enough though.

Ugh not this again. It's worse than Intelligent Design.

To combine them would not work. Why would God create men in his image only to have them adapt and change to meet the needs of their environment? If God had the power, why not do it right the first time rather than letting life sort itself out by evolving?

The proof for creationism needs no explanation. I believe it. If you wanna believe the Bible, go ahead. If you don't, go ahead. Besides, I'll bring down TEH WRATH OF TEH BANHAMMER!!!111! on me for the FIFTH time in TWO days if I even attempt to prove Creation.

All I can really say is I was shown the dates of JEsus, and given a solid Catholic education throughout my life.

This stuff is taught at nearly every Catholic school in the U.S., people!

Now, the funny thing is, I had a speaker come to my school (HS) a few months ago, saying why Creation cannot coexist with Evolution. I told him this at the end of his speech so the teachers wouldn't be angry with me....and it killed his idea. He couldn't back up himself, and he couldn't prove this wrong. This was the so-called Californian expert and national expert on Creation. Sad that I didn't write down his name xD. I could get his foundation's web address if I digged hard enough though.

lompocus

Ugh not this again. It's worse than Intelligent Design.

To combine them would not work. Why would God create men in his image only to have them adapt and change to meet the needs of their environment? If God had the power, why not do it right the first time rather than letting life sort itself out by evolving?

Buffalo_Soulja

Because it ensures the race KNOWS what mistakes not to make, what to avoid, how to become successful, etc.

We are far better off than we were one or two thousand years ago. Now we cannot say "If God had the power this or that should happen" etc., because we cannot KNOW God. We do, however, know how to live life in a better way than before. We know weed is bad for you, smoking kills, don't jump off a cliff....all that good stuff.

[QUOTE="Buffalo_Soulja"]

Ugh not this again. It's worse than Intelligent Design.

To combine them would not work. Why would God create men in his image only to have them adapt and change to meet the needs of their environment? If God had the power, why not do it right the first time rather than letting life sort itself out by evolving?

lompocus

Because it ensures the race KNOWS what mistakes not to make, what to avoid, how to become successful, etc.

We are far better off than we were one or two thousand years ago. Now we cannot say "If God had the power this or that should happen" etc., because we cannot KNOW God. We do, however, know how to live life in a better way than before. We know weed is bad for you, smoking kills, don't jump off a cliff....all that good stuff.

Figuring out whether or not jumping off a cliff will kill you is not Evolution. You do provide a sound argument for Evolution though, but for marrying it to Creationism.

[QUOTE="lompocus"]

The proof for creationism needs no explanation. I believe it. If you wanna believe the Bible, go ahead. If you don't, go ahead. Besides, I'll bring down TEH WRATH OF TEH BANHAMMER!!!111! on me for the FIFTH time in TWO days if I even attempt to prove Creation.

All I can really say is I was shown the dates of JEsus, and given a solid Catholic education throughout my life.

This stuff is taught at nearly every Catholic school in the U.S., people!

Now, the funny thing is, I had a speaker come to my school (HS) a few months ago, saying why Creation cannot coexist with Evolution. I told him this at the end of his speech so the teachers wouldn't be angry with me....and it killed his idea. He couldn't back up himself, and he couldn't prove this wrong. This was the so-called Californian expert and national expert on Creation. Sad that I didn't write down his name xD. I could get his foundation's web address if I digged hard enough though.

format_kid

What I believe is w/e the ground tells me. If Carbon Dating shows that X is X years old, and that it means that Earth must be X amount of years old, then it logically is. I removed that previous defense I had.

Now, I don't memorize the Bible. I do, however, know that we are on Earth. We are alive. Science hasn't been fully able to explain why we in particular are here. It explains most, but not all. I've been a devout Catholic all my life. God must not have immediately meant for us to be here. He MIGHT have done what I describe above.

In the even that we were planned from the beginning, then the events in history happened because God wanted to tell us somehting, to teach us not to make simple mistakes.

There is no prooffor creationism.To believe in that theory or intelligent design you have to believe the earth is 10,000 years old. 10,000 years old.That is, frankly, preposterous. There is undeniable proof that the earth is far far older.

I think it much more likely that life began when very basic organic material was brought toearth by meteor impact than by a god

There is no prooffor creationism.To believe in that theory or intelligent design you have to believe the earth is 10,000 years old. 10,000 years old.That is, frankly, preposterous. There is undeniable proof that the earth is far far older.

I think it much more likely that life began when very basic organic material was brought toearth by meteor impact than by a god

erc500

You here have a Catholic who believes both. Explain yourself.

And what can say that even basic reactions in teh big bang or w/e started the universe were not set by God?

Think of it as a program....You input a couple of variables, allow for a bit of randomness, and POOF you got asteroids flying everywhere, thermonuclear reactions creating stars occuring, and *gasp!* LIFE!

Edit: Hmm, looks like I got to go. If you respond and I don't, dont think you got me in a spot I can't defend. I simply need sleep after 2AM. I'll reply tomorrow *dies on the keyboard*

REVISED VERSION:

This Idea assumes A) There is God, B) All events in bible history occured between 4000 BC and 30 or so AD (whenever Jesus died), C) That Evolution is True, and D) That Creation is true.

Evolution is required to create organisms capable of living on their own in communities. Evolution allows for an animal to adapt to its surroundings. You can find this proof elsewhere.

Creation is the tricky bit. Many people say it can naturally NOT coexist with Evolution. I believe otherwise. This is how I suppose one could see history if they believed that both ideas coexist:

-Big bang happened, blah blah blah

-Earth is formed 5 Bil years ago, blah blah blah

-Our moon hits us and helps life form, blah blah blah

At this point, one could either say A) God nudges life into the direction he wants it, or B) God had all this happen and/or set in place a chain of events that would create Humans and other organisms and whatever aliense are out there.

-Teh dinos live, then die

-our rodent ancestor lives, then evolves through history into us

This now assumes that the last ten thousand years have been the most important for this particular of God's experiments. Thus, these years have shaped us into what we are today. We are still being made, except it is no longer physical. We are taught what to do and what not to do, to make decisions for ourselves, therefore giving reason as to why we were given free will.

lompocus

Even though I don't believe the Big Bang was the beginning of our Universe, I have no reason to believe any of the events you mentioned were influenced by God. This comes back to my other question of why God should bother setting up this chain of events at all instead of doing it at once.

Personally I'd loved to unify Evolution and Creationism, but there are too many holes in both for me to jump on board with either. Perhaps our understanding is just incomplete.

[QUOTE="lompocus"]

REVISED VERSION:

This Idea assumes A) There is God, B) All events in bible history occured between 4000 BC and 30 or so AD (whenever Jesus died), C) That Evolution is True, and D) That Creation is true.

Evolution is required to create organisms capable of living on their own in communities. Evolution allows for an animal to adapt to its surroundings. You can find this proof elsewhere.

Creation is the tricky bit. Many people say it can naturally NOT coexist with Evolution. I believe otherwise. This is how I suppose one could see history if they believed that both ideas coexist:

-Big bang happened, blah blah blah

-Earth is formed 5 Bil years ago, blah blah blah

-Our moon hits us and helps life form, blah blah blah

At this point, one could either say A) God nudges life into the direction he wants it, or B) God had all this happen and/or set in place a chain of events that would create Humans and other organisms and whatever aliense are out there.

-Teh dinos live, then die

-our rodent ancestor lives, then evolves through history into us

This now assumes that the last ten thousand years have been the most important for this particular of God's experiments. Thus, these years have shaped us into what we are today. We are still being made, except it is no longer physical. We are taught what to do and what not to do, to make decisions for ourselves, therefore giving reason as to why we were given free will.

Buffalo_Soulja

Even though I don't believe the Big Bang was the beginning of our Universe, I have no reason to believe any of the events you mentioned were influenced by God. This comes back to my other question of why God should bother setting up this chain of events at all instead of doing it at once.

Personally I'd loved to unify Evolution and Creationism, but there are too many holes in both for me to jump on board with either. Perhaps our understanding is just incomplete.

you can't 'prove' anything. Science has so few and un-proven theories about how the universe, earth and life was formed. I'm not sure whether i believe in evolution or not, but either way it makes no difference.

There is no reason for God to just create us by going *Poof* HUMANS! that like (prepares to be lol'd at) joining a strategy game, where the army and base is already made, its no fun! Bottom line is, if science has its way, then we were just popped out of a plutonic stew. However, the chances of that are SOOOOO small, that i think the greatest leap of faith is actually NOT believing in a god of some sort.

Honestly, when you see a painting, do you go: "ooh, some paints fell on their side and they made the mona liza!", you have to believe that there actually WAS a painter, and artist, who made it!

[QUOTE="Buffalo_Soulja"][QUOTE="lompocus"]

REVISED VERSION:

This Idea assumes A) There is God, B) All events in bible history occured between 4000 BC and 30 or so AD (whenever Jesus died), C) That Evolution is True, and D) That Creation is true.

Evolution is required to create organisms capable of living on their own in communities. Evolution allows for an animal to adapt to its surroundings. You can find this proof elsewhere.

Creation is the tricky bit. Many people say it can naturally NOT coexist with Evolution. I believe otherwise. This is how I suppose one could see history if they believed that both ideas coexist:

-Big bang happened, blah blah blah

-Earth is formed 5 Bil years ago, blah blah blah

-Our moon hits us and helps life form, blah blah blah

At this point, one could either say A) God nudges life into the direction he wants it, or B) God had all this happen and/or set in place a chain of events that would create Humans and other organisms and whatever aliense are out there.

-Teh dinos live, then die

-our rodent ancestor lives, then evolves through history into us

This now assumes that the last ten thousand years have been the most important for this particular of God's experiments. Thus, these years have shaped us into what we are today. We are still being made, except it is no longer physical. We are taught what to do and what not to do, to make decisions for ourselves, therefore giving reason as to why we were given free will.

Stumpt25

Even though I don't believe the Big Bang was the beginning of our Universe, I have no reason to believe any of the events you mentioned were influenced by God. This comes back to my other question of why God should bother setting up this chain of events at all instead of doing it at once.

Personally I'd loved to unify Evolution and Creationism, but there are too many holes in both for me to jump on board with either. Perhaps our understanding is just incomplete.

you can't 'prove' anything. Science has so few and un-proven theories about how the universe, earth and life was formed. I'm not sure whether i believe in evolution or not, but either way it makes no difference.

There is no reason for God to just create us by going *Poof* HUMANS! that like (prepares to be lol'd at) joining a strategy game, where the army and base is already made, its no fun! Bottom line is, if science has its way, then we were just popped out of a plutonic stew. However, the chances of that are SOOOOO small, that i think the greatest leap of faith is actually NOT believing in a god of some sort.

Honestly, when you see a painting, do you go: "ooh, some paints fell on their side and they made the mona liza!", you have to believe that there actually WAS a painter, and artist, who made it!

Are you saying god is the painter/artist that made the world?

Co-existence of the two is NOT a new idea.

Intelligent design?Conanfan1

Exaclty!

[QUOTE="erc500"]

There is no proof for creationism.To believe in that theory or intelligent design you have to believe the earth is 10,000 years old. 10,000 years old.That is, frankly, preposterous. There is undeniable proof that the earth is far far older.

I think it much more likely that life began when very basic organic material was brought to earth by meteor impact than by a god

lompocus

You here have a Catholic who believes both. Explain yourself.

And what can say that even basic reactions in teh big bang or w/e started the universe were not set by God?

Think of it as a program....You input a couple of variables, allow for a bit of randomness, and POOF you got asteroids flying everywhere, thermonuclear reactions creating stars occuring, and *gasp!* LIFE!

Edit: Hmm, looks like I got to go. If you respond and I don't, dont think you got me in a spot I can't defend. I simply need sleep after 2AM. I'll reply tomorrow *dies on the keyboard*

I think you sort of missed the point of my post, i wasnt discussing the big bang.

I was talking about the fact that intelligent design is a rather wishy washy way of getting around the fact that evolution and creation are effectively mutually exclusive. If you believe in creation by god then you should believe the biblical time scale for the age of the earth which as i said is preposterous.

Also, the bible makes no reference to evolution or intelligent design. Why not? If that was part of the whole plan surely there would be something in there about it

This Idea assumes A) There is God...lompocus

Oh snap.

you can't 'prove' anything.Stumpt25

And that's clearly untrue.

Obvious example: 2 + 2 will always equal 4.

The only thing wrong with this is when i was in 5th grade (5 years ago) i was told that the moon was once a part of earth so how does the moon end up hitting us??? You could add this into account and this is just a theory but it hasn't been proven

A asteroid hits earth and causes a chunk of it to fly off into space (All dinosaurs die) and life starts.

Your theory is

The moon hit the earth causing life

However if the moon hit the earth it wouldn't have just bounced off the earth it would have either

A: Destroyed earth or B: Broke up into millions of little peaces.

How would it have bounced off???? It would first have to sink right into the oceans and hit the core destroying the planet UNLESS it hit land and if it did then how would such a big scar go away so fast???

The chunk of earth the fell of would be our moon for those who dont know and without this key event in your theory life would not start meaning you would have to find something else instead of the moon hitting earth and then bouncing off......because we all know that whena large rock hits something it bounces off which can be true in some cases but if it hit the ocean then how would it bounce off? Im sorry but i dont see something as huge as the moon bouncing off earth......

*Note to self: never ever leave your own thread.*

@ the guy that said this isn't a unique idea: I said it was what I was taught several posts prior to yours, albiet with a few minor changes following the input of the posters.

@ Exile lord and ANYONE who takes my mock timeline literally: Don't make me explain every darn event, that's for you to look up and decide for yourself. Example: There are many theories as to why the dinos died, the moon was formed (mine was only ONE), the universe was formed (I personally don't believe in the Big Bang), etc., etc.

We can't exactly prove anything right now, but, for a second, look to see how you can add to the idea. You make it better, and I'll revise it as necessary (If i'm still awake after your post).

The reason we can't prove anything is because we can't simulate a whole chain of events in any computer that we have. Sure, in 50 years we might be able to do that, and we might be able to bring these kind of arguments to whole new levels.