a question for the christians....

Actually, I'm pretty sure many Christian faiths believe in what is called The Holy Trinity: The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. So Jesus is in fact the materialization of God. I'm an atheist but this is something I've heard many times, but feel free to correct me.

Here's an article on this topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Trinity

Actually, I'm pretty sure many Christian faiths believe in what is called The Holy Trinity: The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. So Jesus is in fact God. I'm an atheist but this is something I've heard many times, but feel free to correct me.

ex-mortis

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Actually, I'm pretty sure many Christian faiths believe in what is called The Holy Trinity: The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. So Jesus is in fact God. I'm an atheist but this is something I've heard many times, but feel free to correct me.

tocool340

Modern Christians, I doubt many of them do, but it's out there. I've heard this being preached in a local church over here, I don't know how widespread it is exactly but it's a part of the faith at least.

Actually, I'm pretty sure many Christian faiths believe in what is called The Holy Trinity: The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. So Jesus is in fact the materialization of God. I'm an atheist but this is something I've heard many times, but feel free to correct me.

Here's an article on this topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Trinity

ex-mortis

I'm not entirely sure where the idea of Jesus being his "son" came from, given that Jesus is God manifested in human form.

Actually, I'm pretty sure many Christian faiths believe in what is called The Holy Trinity: The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. So Jesus is in fact the materialization of God. I'm an atheist but this is something I've heard many times, but feel free to correct me.

Here's an article on this topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Trinity

To perform miracles and teach people the way.

What makes you so sure Jesus is a HE? LOL just jk.magicalclick

To perform miracles and teach people the way.

dunl12496

He gave his son (who was human as well as God) a chance to sacrifice himself to save the rest of us..and he did obviously >_>..

Actually, I'm pretty sure many Christian faiths believe in what is called The Holy Trinity: The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. So Jesus is in fact the materialization of God. I'm an atheist but this is something I've heard many times, but feel free to correct me.

Here's an article on this topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Trinity

[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] its true , though the story is same story of HORUS the eygeptian sun god thousands of years ago , so some say the story of jesus is fabricated and is taken from horus himself , thats why find the "one eyed"symbol on a lot of churchus , its the symbol of horus the "one-eyed" sun god.gubrushadow

The emphasis should not be placed on Jesus as the son, but rather God as the father. In my understanding, Jesus connected the gap between God and man, to further establish God's role as the protector, creator and carer of humanity.

Ultimately, God's role as the father of Jesus, reaffirms and reasserts his position as the father of man.

Actually, I'm pretty sure many Christian faiths believe in what is called The Holy Trinity: The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. So Jesus is in fact the materialization of God. I'm an atheist but this is something I've heard many times, but feel free to correct me.

Here's an article on this topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Trinity

[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"] That's true about large portions of the bible. take the story of noah and the arc -remarkably similar to a preexisting babylonian mythological tale called the 'tales of gilgamesh' , or the story of adam and eve which could be traced to other assyrian creation tales. one could say every religion is a copyright violation of something that came before. In other words-the christian belief is not more far fetched than any other religion. with or without godly offsprings......grape_of_wrath

I'll see if I can explain it the best I can... Jesus, according to the Bible, is the Word of God. He actually created the world, and he's eternal, just like the Father. (there's the Trinity: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. All One God, but three persons... I honestly don't know how better to explain it)

Jesus wasn't the spawn of God and Mary; he's the eternal God who manifested himself as a child at one point in time. God did that for one main reason: so he could die. To understand why Jesus died is simple: we humans deserve to die because we offend God(sin). God is perfect, so He can't tolerate sin at all. BUT, God loves us so much, He doesn't want us to die. The only way to free us from hell was to sacrifice the only perfect man: Jesus. That's why Jesus came as a human, to be the substitution for our punishment. Don't worry, though. God can't be defeated by death. Jesus rose again and now lives(Easter!). We are set free from sin and receive eternal life by believing in Jesus and the forgiveness that He offers us.

Why the Son part, though(instead of uncle, cousin, mom, pet chihuahua)? Here's what I think. The Bible says we're made "in the image of God." God created relationships, sex, and, consequently, families. I suggest that families were not an originally human thing, but in fact, a God thing, part of who God actually is. Father and Son are just the best way to describe those facets of God and their relationship.

Actually, I'm pretty sure many Christian faiths believe in what is called The Holy Trinity: The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. So Jesus is in fact the materialization of God. I'm an atheist but this is something I've heard many times, but feel free to correct me.

Here's an article on this topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Trinity

ex-mortis

But completely, IMHO.

PS: I am not a Christian, but I come from a Christian background.

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Actually, I'm pretty sure many Christian faiths believe in what is called The Holy Trinity: The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. So Jesus is in fact the materialization of God. I'm an atheist but this is something I've heard many times, but feel free to correct me.

Here's an article on this topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Trinity

But completely, IMHO.

PS: I am not a Christian, but I come from a Christian background.

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Actually, I'm pretty sure many Christian faiths believe in what is called The Holy Trinity: The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. So Jesus is in fact the materialization of God. I'm an atheist but this is something I've heard many times, but feel free to correct me.

Here's an article on this topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Trinity

MetalGear_Ninty

But completely, IMHO.

PS: I am not a Christian, but I come from a Christian background.

However, if we take the literal definition of 'son' to be a descendant of the original, and from which is biparted aspects of the the essence of the father, then perhaps this issue becomes more complicated.

As for the second, yeah its hard, simply from the fact that the Bible doesnt have any specific information on this (it never does, as is normally expected from scripture of any kind). But, when it comes to the Bible and certain parts of it, I have kind of a strong predisposition to interpret it as allegorically as possible. Not so much to exclude the less allegorical interpretations (after all at first glance all interpretations should be viewed qith equal merit) but that I dont consider the most allegorical ones to be implausible, at all.

So I could interpret this certain part/dogma (whatever) in a way that it rejects the literal version of "son" of your second paragraph as well. In the sense that it is "stretchable". But anyway, I am in no way certain/confident about this.

first of all i am not anti-christian and im not an atheist and i have no offence for any christian i just wannna know the point of view of you guys and ive been thinking of this a long time so here it is : why would GOD have a son ?? HE created everything so he owns everything why would he want a child ?? HE created all the world in 7 days cant he created a simple zygote inside a female ?? and we know adam was created without a mom nor a father , arnt adam and jesus the same ?? just this and plz no post like "stupid post" and these stuff so......gubrushadow

Well.... I don't really have a complete answer. But i always just assumed that it was just to spread his word

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Pretty much. With the above said, imo, Jesus is not a literal son of God but he is thought of and described as his son due to the way he was brought into existence in this world.

But completely, IMHO.

PS: I am not a Christian, but I come from a Christian background.

However, if we take the literal definition of 'son' to be a descendant of the original, and from which is biparted aspects of the the essence of the father, then perhaps this issue becomes more complicated.

As for the second, yeah its hard, simply from the fact that the Bible doesnt have any specific information on this (it never does, as is normally expected from scripture of any kind). But, when it comes to the Bible and certain parts of it, I have kind of a strong predisposition to interpret it as allegorically as possible. Not so much to exclude the less allegorical interpretations (after all at first glance all interpretations should be viewed qith equal merit) but that I dont consider the most allegorical ones to be implausible, at all.

So I could interpret this certain part/dogma (whatever) in a way that it rejects the literal version of "son" of your second paragraph as well. In the sense that it is "stretchable". But anyway, I am in no way certain/confident about this.

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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] Well that all depends on what is accepted as a literal definition of 'son'; if it is meant as the male offspring of an organism, containing approximately half of its genetic material, then yeah, you would be right.

However, if we take the literal definition of 'son' to be a descendant of the original, and from which is biparted aspects of the the essence of the father, then perhaps this issue becomes more complicated.MetalGear_Ninty

As for the second, yeah its hard, simply from the fact that the Bible doesnt have any specific information on this (it never does, as is normally expected from scripture of any kind). But, when it comes to the Bible and certain parts of it, I have kind of a strong predisposition to interpret it as allegorically as possible. Not so much to exclude the less allegorical interpretations (after all at first glance all interpretations should be viewed qith equal merit) but that I dont consider the most allegorical ones to be implausible, at all.

So I could interpret this certain part/dogma (whatever) in a way that it rejects the literal version of "son" of your second paragraph as well. In the sense that it is "stretchable". But anyway, I am in no way certain/confident about this.

[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] no it isnt , islam is not a copy for any religion .PannicAtack

Jesus is God in human form. He's called the Son of God to differentiate between Himself and God the Father. There are three persons in one God. The last being the Holy Spirit.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Jesus is God in human form. He's called the Son of God to differentiate between Himself and God the Father. There are three persons in one God. The last being the Holy Spirit.GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Jesus is God in human form. He's called the Son of God to differentiate between Himself and God the Father. There are three persons in one God. The last being the Holy Spirit.LJS9502_basic

God put Jesus on Earth as His Son to show us the way. Jesus sacrificed Himself for the Sins of Humanity.

Apostles Creed:

I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:

2. And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:

3. Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary:

4. Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:

5. The third day he rose again from the dead:

6. He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:

7. From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead:

8. I believe in the Holy Ghost:

9. I believe in the holy catholic church: the communion of saints:

10. The forgiveness of sins:

1l. The resurrection of the body:

12. And the life everlasting. Amen.

Nicene Creed:

We believe in one God, the Father,
the Almighty, maker of heaven and
earth of all that is seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God, eternally begotten
of the Father, God from God, Light
from Light, true God from true God,
begotten, not made, one in Being
with the Father. Through him all things
were made. For us men and our
salvation he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit he was
born of the Virgin Mary, and became
man. For our sake he was crucified
under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died,
and was buried. On the third day he
rose again in fulfillment of the
Scriptures; he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the
Father. He will come again to judge
the living and the dead, and his
kingdom will have no end. We
believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord,
the giver of life, who proceeds from
the Father and the Son. With the
Father and the Son he is worshipped
and glorified. He has spoken through
the Prophets. We believe in one holy
catholic and apostolic Church. We
acknowledge one baptism for the
forgiveness of sins. We look for the
resurrection of the dead, and the life
of the world to come.

Amen.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Uh no. They are convinced of the trinity. Three persons...one God. I'm a Christian. Bit much to tell me what I believe isn't it?LJS9502_basic

Go Figure :P

I thought you are an atheist. But i know some Christians here that told me Christ is the actual son of God. they are oriental Christians btw, they call you western Christians.GazaAli

Mormons believe that he's the literal son of God. Early LDS prophets tought that the God came to earth to have sex with Mary, which would make her pregnant with Jesus. The church doesn't teach the physical sex story anymore-- but they still teach that Jesus is a created being who is a spirit son of God. A spirit son is a creature that's born in heaven and is later given a human body on earth.

If you ever hear a mormon talking about pre-existance, that's what they're referring to. You were simply getting confused with the bible's view of Jesus and the book of mormon's view of Jesus.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] I thought you are an atheist. But i know some Christians here that told me Christ is the actual son of God. they are oriental Christians btw, they call you western Christians.dracula_16

Mormons believe that he's the literal son of God. Early LDS prophets tought that the God came to earth to have sex with Mary, which would make her pregnant with Jesus. The church doesn't teach the physical sex story anymore-- but they still teach that Jesus is a created being who is a spirit son of God. A spirit son is a creature that's born in heaven and is later given a human body on earth.

If you ever hear a mormon talking about pre-existance, that's what they're referring to. You were simply getting confused with the bible's view of Jesus and the book of mormon's view of Jesus.

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"] I thought you are an atheist. But i know some Christians here that told me Christ is the actual son of God. they are oriental Christians btw, they call you western Christians.GazaAli

Mormons believe that he's the literal son of God. Early LDS prophets tought that the God came to earth to have sex with Mary, which would make her pregnant with Jesus. The church doesn't teach the physical sex story anymore-- but they still teach that Jesus is a created being who is a spirit son of God. A spirit son is a creature that's born in heaven and is later given a human body on earth.

If you ever hear a mormon talking about pre-existance, that's what they're referring to. You were simply getting confused with the bible's view of Jesus and the book of mormon's view of Jesus.

Who is LDS Joseph Smith?GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Who is LDS Joseph Smith?LJS9502_basic

Yeah, I thought they wouldn't really count as Christians. One came to my door and when we said "Not Interested, We're Catholics" the person replied (Quite Snobbily) "Oh, I used to be one of THOSE". :evil:

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]Who is LDS Joseph Smith?Snipes_2

Yeah, I thought they wouldn't really count as Christians. One came to my door and when we said "Not Interested, We're Catholics" the person replied (Quite Snobbily) "Oh, I used to be one of THOSE". :evil:

Who is LDS Joseph Smith?GazaAli

He was a man who lived in the 1800s; he wrote the book of mormon (although his followers will say that he was guided by angels-- I don't believe that to be true). The church that follows his teaching is called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, but it's often nicknamed "LDS" or "mormon church". The book of mormon contradicts the bible, which is why I don't consider the LDS church to be a christian sect.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="dracula_16"]

Mormons believe that he's the literal son of God. Early LDS prophets tought that the God came to earth to have sex with Mary, which would make her pregnant with Jesus. The church doesn't teach the physical sex story anymore-- but they still teach that Jesus is a created being who is a spirit son of God. A spirit son is a creature that's born in heaven and is later given a human body on earth.

If you ever hear a mormon talking about pre-existance, that's what they're referring to. You were simply getting confused with the bible's view of Jesus and the book of mormon's view of Jesus.

LJS9502_basic

You trying to tell us something LJ?:P

God is a Triune God. One in essence, three in persons, God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.

Jesuis said...

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] im not very knowledgable on the matter to be honest, thank you for learning things. but what is the book of mormon's?MetalGear_Ninty

You trying to tell us something LJ?:P

Actually, I'm pretty sure many Christian faiths believe in what is called The Holy Trinity: The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. So Jesus is in fact the materialization of God. I'm an atheist but this is something I've heard many times, but feel free to correct me.

Here's an article on this topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Trinity

ex-mortis

the whole trinity thing doesnt make sence to me cause if god is all of them does that mean god fathered himself:|

Most Christians believe that Jesus is god. A few branches though like Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus is a separate being; one of god's creation.