A Question regarding Religion (please don't kill me.......)

A question that has bothered me for a while now.....

So, say your a Hindu, Buddhist, Islamic etc.....you've been a great person your whole life, never put a foot wrong. You're kind, charitable, you know, just good. Then, one day, you die. Now say that God does exist....would you go to Hell? I mean, your faith may not have been in the right place (which may not necessarily be your fault....it depends what you were raised as so you dont really have a say in your beliefs), but if you've been a good person, I don't see how you could go to Hell......

Discuss.

Hell is simply within yourself, all people, deserve enlightment, total enlightment meaning when your reborn, you are spiritually inclined, Religions go to their own paradise, and besides, god is within us all, you are your own jesus, you make mistakes, you are hurt, you cry, you laugh, you are a human being, and IF GOD PUNISH ME FOR USING THE FREE WILL HE GAVE ME, LET IT BE, BUT I WILL NOT DIE IN WAIN FOR I LIVED IN FREEDOM!!makaveli2344

*kills you*

But seriously, it doesn't matter really. Almost every religion damns you if your of some other faith. So your damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I often wonder why people ask this question....if you exposed to a religion which entails heaven and hell and you chose not to believe...why would you want to be in heaven anyway? It didn't matter to you when you were alive...why would it matter now?LJS9502_basic

Ive been wondering somthing similar to this:
Say a wonderful person, who gives all their time to the needy and all their money to the less fortunate, was the most nice and giving person you would ever meet. however they did not beleive in christianity.
So would this person be going to hell?
BEAN_LARD_MULCH

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I often wonder why people ask this question....if you exposed to a religion which entails heaven and hell and you chose not to believe...why would you want to be in heaven anyway? It didn't matter to you when you were alive...why would it matter now?dark_templar_99

Dude...that made absolutely no sense.:|

[QUOTE="makaveli2344"]Hell is simply within yourself, all people, deserve enlightment, total enlightment meaning when your reborn, you are spiritually inclined, Religions go to their own paradise, and besides, god is within us all, you are your own jesus, you make mistakes, you are hurt, you cry, you laugh, you are a human being, and IF GOD PUNISH ME FOR USING THE FREE WILL HE GAVE ME, LET IT BE, BUT I WILL NOT DIE IN WAIN FOR I LIVED IN FREEDOM!!dark_templar_99

Well, lemme break it down.

All living things, have a soul (According to my beliefs, but if you dont think so, Humans, have souls)

When we pass away, and while our body (Physical) rejoins mother earth (or earth for aqll those who take names seriously)

Our Soul, becomes our body, we are now, in a way, ghosts, and we journey until we reach our (your) paradise. here you are enlightened by the great spirit (Creator of all living and non living things, NOT GOD) and live in paradise, for eternity. Where there is no pain, no war, no famine, no disease, no murder, rape, nothing. Its just...quiet...You are reborn in spirit form.

[QUOTE="dark_templar_99"][QUOTE="makaveli2344"]Hell is simply within yourself, all people, deserve enlightment, total enlightment meaning when your reborn, you are spiritually inclined, Religions go to their own paradise, and besides, god is within us all, you are your own jesus, you make mistakes, you are hurt, you cry, you laugh, you are a human being, and IF GOD PUNISH ME FOR USING THE FREE WILL HE GAVE ME, LET IT BE, BUT I WILL NOT DIE IN WAIN FOR I LIVED IN FREEDOM!!makaveli2344

Well, lemme break it down.

All living things, have a soul (According to my beliefs, but if you dont think so, Humans, have souls)

When we pass away, and while our body (Physical) rejoins mother earth (or earth for aqll those who take names seriously)

Our Soul, becomes our body, we are now, in a way, ghosts, and we journey until we reach our (your) paradise. here you are enlightened by the great spirit (Creator of all living and non living things, NOT GOD) and live in paradise, for eternity. Where there is no pain, no war, no famine, no disease, no murder, rape, nothing. Its just...quiet...You are reborn in spirit form.

If you dont accept jesus as your personal savior you simply go to hell when you die It doesn't matter if you were good or not... Terrible isnt it ?AgentA-Mi6

[QUOTE="makaveli2344"]

[QUOTE="dark_templar_99"][QUOTE="makaveli2344"]Hell is simply within yourself, all people, deserve enlightment, total enlightment meaning when your reborn, you are spiritually inclined, Religions go to their own paradise, and besides, god is within us all, you are your own jesus, you make mistakes, you are hurt, you cry, you laugh, you are a human being, and IF GOD PUNISH ME FOR USING THE FREE WILL HE GAVE ME, LET IT BE, BUT I WILL NOT DIE IN WAIN FOR I LIVED IN FREEDOM!!dark_templar_99

Well, lemme break it down.

All living things, have a soul (According to my beliefs, but if you dont think so, Humans, have souls)

When we pass away, and while our body (Physical) rejoins mother earth (or earth for aqll those who take names seriously)

Our Soul, becomes our body, we are now, in a way, ghosts, and we journey until we reach our (your) paradise. here you are enlightened by the great spirit (Creator of all living and non living things, NOT GOD) and live in paradise, for eternity. Where there is no pain, no war, no famine, no disease, no murder, rape, nothing. Its just...quiet...You are reborn in spirit form.

[QUOTE="makaveli2344"]

[QUOTE="dark_templar_99"][QUOTE="makaveli2344"]Hell is simply within yourself, all people, deserve enlightment, total enlightment meaning when your reborn, you are spiritually inclined, Religions go to their own paradise, and besides, god is within us all, you are your own jesus, you make mistakes, you are hurt, you cry, you laugh, you are a human being, and IF GOD PUNISH ME FOR USING THE FREE WILL HE GAVE ME, LET IT BE, BUT I WILL NOT DIE IN WAIN FOR I LIVED IN FREEDOM!!dark_templar_99

Well, lemme break it down.

All living things, have a soul (According to my beliefs, but if you dont think so, Humans, have souls)

When we pass away, and while our body (Physical) rejoins mother earth (or earth for aqll those who take names seriously)

Our Soul, becomes our body, we are now, in a way, ghosts, and we journey until we reach our (your) paradise. here you are enlightened by the great spirit (Creator of all living and non living things, NOT GOD) and live in paradise, for eternity. Where there is no pain, no war, no famine, no disease, no murder, rape, nothing. Its just...quiet...You are reborn in spirit form.

They are mans mistake. and serve no purpose, no benefit, to ANYONE, Although, pain does make us human. but under the cloak of enlightenment, pain is merely...a word. And Rape, well, someones life is ruined forever.

Well Dante Alighieri addressed this in his Divine Comedy, which is the most popular visualization of hell. All pagans go to hell, though there are wierd circumstances where a handful make it to heaven.  There is an exception of Invincible Ignorance in Catholic dogma that guarentees entry of good people if they never heard of Gods word, but because Christians evangelize, they inadvertantly condemn people to hell. It's beside the point though since Invincible Ignorance has a wishy washy history with doctrine.

A rejection of said religions doctrine and apostasy will condemn you to hell. Even in Islam, it's one thing not to be Muslim and it's another to reject it. 

However, if you note the type of people who lived in hell you'd certainly have to question whether or not any other place would be worth it. Hell seems to keep better company than heaven. 

Last but not least is the argument that Hell does not exist.

[QUOTE="dark_templar_99"][QUOTE="makaveli2344"]

[QUOTE="dark_templar_99"][QUOTE="makaveli2344"]Hell is simply within yourself, all people, deserve enlightment, total enlightment meaning when your reborn, you are spiritually inclined, Religions go to their own paradise, and besides, god is within us all, you are your own jesus, you make mistakes, you are hurt, you cry, you laugh, you are a human being, and IF GOD PUNISH ME FOR USING THE FREE WILL HE GAVE ME, LET IT BE, BUT I WILL NOT DIE IN WAIN FOR I LIVED IN FREEDOM!!makaveli2344

Well, lemme break it down.

All living things, have a soul (According to my beliefs, but if you dont think so, Humans, have souls)

When we pass away, and while our body (Physical) rejoins mother earth (or earth for aqll those who take names seriously)

Our Soul, becomes our body, we are now, in a way, ghosts, and we journey until we reach our (your) paradise. here you are enlightened by the great spirit (Creator of all living and non living things, NOT GOD) and live in paradise, for eternity. Where there is no pain, no war, no famine, no disease, no murder, rape, nothing. Its just...quiet...You are reborn in spirit form.

They are mans mistake. and serve no purpose, no benefit, to ANYONE, Although, pain does make us human. but under the cloak of enlightenment, pain is merely...a word. And Rape, well, someones life is ruined forever.

[QUOTE="dark_templar_99"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I often wonder why people ask this question....if you exposed to a religion which entails heaven and hell and you chose not to believe...why would you want to be in heaven anyway? It didn't matter to you when you were alive...why would it matter now?LJS9502_basic

Dude...that made absolutely no sense.:|

But seriously why would you believe that if your not christian?

If you dont accept jesus as your personal savior you simply go to hell when you die It doesn't matter if you were good or not...  Terrible isnt it ?AgentA-Mi6

Yup. Actually, it's evil to me. Why a loving God would do such a thing just because you weren't doing things 100% his way is beyond me. There are countless religions out there, and they all worship God(s) in a different way. Who knows who's correct, if any of them.

Anyway, I don't believe in a hell. I belive it's a scare tactic used by many religions just to get you to join.

If you dont accept jesus as your personal savior you simply go to hell when you die It doesn't matter if you were good or not...  Terrible isnt it ?AgentA-Mi6

 What he said ^^^^^ so I suggest you try to convert in Christianity seeing as it is the only religion that can prove itself, just ACCEPT JESUS!

I don't know about other religions, but in Christianity, if you do not believe in Christ, then you go to Hell. There is no such thing as a perfect person, so to say that it's wrong for a great guy to go to Hell is unrealistic.

Hell has varying degrees of punishment, just like Heaven has varying degrees of reward. A good person that goes to Hell will not experience the same amount of torture as someone like Hitler would. If a Christian goes to Heaven, but was a bad person, then that Christian will experience great loss in reward.

I don't know about other religions, but in Christianity, if you do not believe in Christ, then you go to Hell. There is no such thing as a perfect person, so to say that it's wrong for a great guy to go to Hell is unrealistic.

Hell has varying degrees of punishment, just like Heaven has varying degrees of reward. A good person that goes to Hell will not experience the same amount of torture as someone like Hitler would. If a Christian goes to Heaven, but was a bad person, then that Christian will experience great loss in reward.

Silver_Dragon17

Which particular sect of Christianity do you follow?  Just being Christian does not automatically get you into heaven....you have to be a good person.  There is no varying degrees of reward or punishment.:|

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

I don't know about other religions, but in Christianity, if you do not believe in Christ, then you go to Hell. There is no such thing as a perfect person, so to say that it's wrong for a great guy to go to Hell is unrealistic.

Hell has varying degrees of punishment, just like Heaven has varying degrees of reward. A good person that goes to Hell will not experience the same amount of torture as someone like Hitler would. If a Christian goes to Heaven, but was a bad person, then that Christian will experience great loss in reward.

LJS9502_basic

Which particular sect of Christianity do you follow?  Just being Christian does not automatically get you into heaven....you have to be a good person.  There is no varying degrees of reward or punishment.:|

I follow the Bible, not what some people tell me. I was brought up Baptist, but now I suppose I would be considered Evangelical, but I do not consider myself that. The Bible does say, somewhere, that punishment is dished out in degrees in Hell, and in Heaven, "Their works were tested in fire, and those whos works did not survive the fire suffered great loss." I do not remember the verse. 23 Minutes in Hell by Bill Weise is a good book on this subject.

I follow the Bible, not what some people tell me. I was brought up Baptist, but now I suppose I would be considered Evangelical, but I do not consider myself that. The Bible does say, somewhere, that punishment is dished out in degrees in Hell, and in Heaven, "Their works were tested in fire, and those whos works did not survive the fire suffered great loss." I do not remember the verse. 23 Minutes in Hell by Bill Weise is a good book on this subject.

Silver_Dragon17

Then you might want to look up the verses describing that it's better to cut body parts off then suffer in ghenna....doesnt't sound like heaven awaits those you sin.;)

Edit:  apparently you follow what Bill Weise tells you....

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

I follow the Bible, not what some people tell me. I was brought up Baptist, but now I suppose I would be considered Evangelical, but I do not consider myself that. The Bible does say, somewhere, that punishment is dished out in degrees in Hell, and in Heaven, "Their works were tested in fire, and those whos works did not survive the fire suffered great loss." I do not remember the verse. 23 Minutes in Hell by Bill Weise is a good book on this subject.

LJS9502_basic

Then you might want to look up the verses describing that it's better to cut body parts off then suffer in ghenna....doesnt't sound like heaven awaits those you sin.;)

Edit:  apparently you follow what Bill Weise tells you....

Then we are all going to Hell, because nobody does not sin.

And no, I do not follow what Bill Weise tells me, I was just recommending an interesting book in case you were interested.

Then we are all going to Hell, because nobody does not sin.

And no, I do not follow what Bill Weise tells me, I was just recommending an interesting book in case you were interested.

Silver_Dragon17

Repentence can occur at any time....and forgiven will you be.  But you can't simply "be" Christian and spend your life being evil to others and expect heaven. 

Honestly, I believe that if there is a god, he is merciful and would not put somebody in hell just because they didn't believe in Him.  EboyLOL

Again I must ask....if you don't believe in Him in life....why would you want to be with Him in the afterlife?

A question that has bothered me for a while now.....

So, say your a Hindu, Buddhist, Islamic etc.....you've been a great person your whole life, never put a foot wrong. You're kind, charitable, you know, just good. Then, one day, you die. Now say that God does exist....would you go to Hell? I mean, your faith may not have been in the right place (which may not necessarily be your fault....it depends what you were raised as so you dont really have a say in your beliefs), but if you've been a good person, I don't see how you could go to Hell......

Discuss.

zepman71

Also, another important factor is if this hypothetical person ever actually heard about God. Is that even possible in our modern era? 

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"]Honestly, I believe that if there is a god, he is merciful and would not put somebody in hell just because they didn't believe in Him.  LJS9502_basic

Again I must ask....if you don't believe in Him in life....why would you want to be with Him in the afterlife?

This wasn't really meant to be in conflict with anybody... I was just saying that if a God did exist I think there would be a larger chance of him being merciful.  As for not believing in God, my beliefs are undecided as of yet.EboyLOL

I'm not trying to argue with you....I just don't understand that statement...it's not you specifically, it's just that I've seen it stated here several times and I can't figure the reasoning behind it.

So what's the motivation for doing all this "generally good" stuff? Since when are people just all-around great people for now reason? Last time I checked people generally suck and usually do everything the opposite of good.

Also, another important factor is if this hypothetical person ever actually heard about God. Is that even possible in our modern era?

Kalel559

The principle of reciprocity is inherent in human biological nature, and the idea that humanity is inherently evil only spawns from an individuals ignorance about actual human tendencies. 

I'm not trying to argue with you....I just don't understand that statement...it's not you specifically, it's just that I've seen it stated here several times and I can't figure the reasoning behind it.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Kalel559"]

So what's the motivation for doing all this "generally good" stuff? Since when are people just all-around great people for now reason? Last time I checked people generally suck and usually do everything the opposite of good.

Also, another important factor is if this hypothetical person ever actually heard about God. Is that even possible in our modern era?

Atrus

The principle of reciprocity is inherent in human biological nature, and the idea that humanity is inherently evil only spawns from an individuals ignorance about actual human tendencies.

Inherent sin in humanity? ...idiots...

 I'm tempted to go through all the common, everyday occurrences of humanity's innate sinful nature but I have a suspension you'll disregard it.

*kills you*

But seriously, it doesn't matter really. Almost every religion damns you if your of some other faith. So your damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

The_Ish

Lol what he said.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"]Honestly, I believe that if there is a god, he is merciful and would not put somebody in hell just because they didn't believe in Him. EboyLOL

Again I must ask....if you don't believe in Him in life....why would you want to be with Him in the afterlife?

A question that has bothered me for a while now.....

So, say your a Hindu, Buddhist, Islamic etc.....you've been a great person your whole life, never put a foot wrong. You're kind, charitable, you know, just good. Then, one day, you die. Now say that God does exist....would you go to Hell? I mean, your faith may not have been in the right place (which may not necessarily be your fault....it depends what you were raised as so you dont really have a say in your beliefs), but if you've been a good person, I don't see how you could go to Hell......

Discuss.

zepman71

I don't know about other religions, but in Christianity, if you do not believe in Christ, then you go to Hell. There is no such thing as a perfect person, so to say that it's wrong for a great guy to go to Hell is unrealistic.

Hell has varying degrees of punishment, just like Heaven has varying degrees of reward. A good person that goes to Hell will not experience the same amount of torture as someone like Hitler would. If a Christian goes to Heaven, but was a bad person, then that Christian will experience great loss in reward.

Silver_Dragon17

So principle of reciprocity being inherent? No problem!

Inherent sin in humanity? ...idiots...

I'm tempted to go through all the common, everyday occurrences of humanity's innate sinful nature but I have a suspension you'll disregard it.

Kalel559

That humans can be misanthropic does not mean it's a part of human nature itself. Misanthropy is a byproduct of a hunter-gatherer society in competition with limited resources which is compounded by human ignorance, and thanks to a few religions, a self-loathing. Humans are by nature a species of sociable primate and are innately sociable.

This is why dehumanization 'to make less human' makes it easier to kill, while humanization 'to make more human' decreases it. It's only in extremely rare situations that aberrations occour.

Religions try to subvert this nature by trying to enforce a self-loathing of humanity, and since misanthropy is 'supposedly' well rooted in human nature it is then perfectly understandable occourance without religion or god. Yet as history shows, no amount of religiosity prevents human misanthropy, and that's because religion has nothing to do with it. What religion does do however is add to the burden of misanthropy by polarizing issues and furthering anti-human agendas.

Instead of a world with normally expected violence as a by product of an issue I brought up at the start, religions add more onto it by creating more divisions within human society. A world without religion won't mean a world without human misanthropy, but it does mean a world without religious anti-humanism, and that alone cuts down on quite a lot.

 So you think Ghandi should be in hell? A just God would take a person's good deeds as precedence over belief in him. But I commend you in that at least you directly answered the question instead of skirting around it like another certain person on this forum who may or may not have a slight liking for the Cure.:roll:espoac

If you want to refer to me use my user name....and I didn't skirt around anything.  As to where Ghandi is....I don't know. However, the Bible states that no one gets to the Father except through the Son.  Second, no one is supposed to judge others...that is for God to do...therefore, I'll make no pretences as to what kind of individual he was.  No one knows what is in anothers heart.  So stop trying to hold him up as an example.