a simple thread for a simple problem

Hello gaiz. Sorry about making a thread with little discussion value, however i could really use your help. In order to help, i need only that you answer the following question: Say you work a job doing 20 hours a week. One day, off-cuff, your boss says 'hey are you available to do a bit of over time next week?' You think for a second or two then reply 'yeah, that's fine'. Your boss walks off, you go about your day. The next day you check your hours - now, based on the question, what number of hours would you reasonably expect to see? Remember you normally do 20 which is a part time job and you've agreed to 'a bit of overtime'. Put the number you'd expect to see, roughly, in your head then click: [spoiler] The chart says 37! :o [/spoiler] What was your reaction to the spoiler?Ninja-Kitteh

Do you mean 37 by how many hours your gonna work or thats how many hours overtime your getting?

Do you mean 37 by how many hours your gonna work or thats how many hours overtime your getting?

FLSTS

So you're getting 17 hours more overtime? I don't see the problem unless you don't want to work an extra 17 hours lol/CoolSkAGuy

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Do you mean 37 by how many hours your gonna work or thats how many hours overtime your getting?

Ninja-Kitteh

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Do you mean 37 by how many hours your gonna work or thats how many hours overtime your getting?

So you're getting 17 hours more overtime? I don't see the problem unless you don't want to work an extra 17 hours lol/CoolSkAGuy

student i see...on second thought, thats kinda harsh man, unless you think you can handle it

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Kitteh"] How many total hours. So that's my usual 20 + 17 extra. My problem is i initially thought 'oh man, that's what i get for agreeing to overtime...' but now all my co-workers are saying it's outrageous but to me it just doesn't seem like THAT big a figure to warrant going to the boss and complaining about it, y'know? It sits right on the line i think between fair and unfair, so it's totally on me to decide which way i want to go. I just thought i'd see what you guys thought to see if your reaction went with 'that's unfair' or 'dammit... that's life.'Ninja-Kitteh

If you were paid appropriately for your overtime, there's no problem there. If you don't want it to happen in the future, you can politely request that the workload be spread out the next time he asks. If you're on a contract that pays for 20 hours a week and you worked 37, though, I would personally have a problem with that, and would indeed approach my boss and respectfully ask that it not happen again unless my contract was amended to provide adequate compensation for nearly double the workload.

If you were paid appropriately for your overtime, there's no problem there. If you don't want it to happen in the future, you can politely request that the workload be spread out the next time he asks. If you're on a contract that pays for 20 hours a week and you worked 37, though, I would personally have a problem with that, and would indeed approach my boss and respectfully ask that it not happen again unless my contract was amended to provide adequate compensation for nearly double the workload.

pianist

Thank you for your advice pianist. It's the latter, whereby i'm contracted to work 20 hours a week but have been scheduled to do 37. I've decided to go in and have a word on my way to my lectures. :)Ninja-Kitteh

OK. In that situation I would definitely ask your boss not to make that sort of demand on you again unless he can pay you for the extra time. If you have long-term plans with this company, I may not even say anything at all unless he asks you again, as your willingness to do this may work to your advantage in getting raises/promotion. If you have a shorter time frame, don't bother.

Just make sure you're respectful about it. Don't accuse, and don't demand pay. Just request that the next time this happens, you'd appreciate knowing exactly how much extra time will be involved, and if it's more than a few hours, you think it would be only fair if you were compensated appropriately for it. Does your contract already provide over-time pay, or did you essentially work 17 hours for nothing? You have good reason to be upset if it's the latter case, but there's no sense in crying over spilled milk now, and nothing will be served by voicing your frustration in a disrespectful manner.

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Do you mean 37 by how many hours your gonna work or thats how many hours overtime your getting?

Ninja-Kitteh

Unless it's intruding onother plans that you had, I don't see any reason to make a fuss about it. It's just more money for you.

Now...I certainly have a bit of a moral problem with him getting you to essentially agree to doubling your hours by describing it as "a bit of overtime". If you have a problem with that as well, you can say, "that's all fine and well, but I can't work this day, because I made plans. The rest of the overtime is fine, I just can't work during this day."

Doubling your hours might not be a big deal, but you at least want to make it LOOK as if it is SORT OF a big deal. Otherwise, he's gonna think that you don't have a damn thing to do in your spare time. And once he thinks that you don't have a life, he's going to try to get you to come to work whenever he damn well says so. I'd contest one of those days just on general principle, because I don't like my bosses thinking that I don't have a life outside of work.

Also, I'd take another look at the employee handbook, to see jsut what the terms and conditions are regarding your obligation to work overtime. I mean, you obviously need to do the stuff that you agreed to do as terms of employment. But for your own safety, you really need to be sure aboput what those terms and conditions are. Especially when your boss tries to get slick with you.

[QUOTE="FLSTS"]

Do you mean 37 by how many hours your gonna work or thats how many hours overtime your getting?

Ninja-Kitteh

Unless it's intruding onother plans that you had, I don't see any reason to make a fuss about it. It's just more money for you.

Now...I certainly have a bit of a moral problem with him getting you to essentially agree to doubling your hours by describing it as "a bit of overtime". If you have a problem with that as well, you can say, "that's all fine and well, but I can't work this day, because I made plans. The rest of the overtime is fine, I just can't work during this day."

Doubling your hours might not be a big deal, but you at least want to make it LOOK as if it is SORT OF a big deal. Otherwise, he's gonna think that you don't have a damn thing to do in your spare time. And once he thinks that you don't have a life, he's going to try to get you to come to work whenever he damn well says so. I'd contest one of those days just on general principle, because I don't like my bosses thinking that I don't have a life outside of work.

Also, I'd take another look at the employee handbook, to see jsut what the terms and conditions are regarding your obligation to work overtime. I mean, you obviously need to do the stuff that you agreed to do as terms of employment. But for your own safety, you really need to be sure aboput what those terms and conditions are. Especially when your boss tries to get slick with you.

[QUOTE="CoolSkAGuy"]So you're getting 17 hours more overtime? I don't see the problem unless you don't want to work an extra 17 hours lol/Chogyam

student i see...on second thought, thats kinda harsh man, unless you think you can handle it

Regardless of whether or not he has a problem with working the extra hours or can't handle the schedule, I do think theres an issue with the employer asking for "a bit of overtime" instead of just asking if he could double his hours. The wording wasn't a lie, but it certainly sounds to be deliberately deceptive. And I have a problem with that on ethical grounds.

I'd take most of the overtime, on the grounds that it's extra money, and I didn't have anything else planned. But I'd challenge part of it on general principle, even if I didn't have anything else to do. Honesty and respect are important. Your boss trying to jerk you around like that is vaguely dishonest, and more overly an act of disrespect. Let them do that without you having any objection, and they'll be doing it all the ****ing time, since they know that they can get away with it.

Being a full time student that is quite alot of extra work but if you can balance it out more power to you.

lol shesh now thats what I call overtime

what number of hours would you reasonably expect to see? Ninja-Kitteh