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#1 Deathxcore
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I was thinking about this for about 15 minutes, from what I've went over it seems to make sense.

What if (the idea of) God isnt supposed to be viewed as an omnipresent conscious being like the Bible makes it seem like?

In my personal opinion I think that God is only a symbol of all the things that the Christian God represents.

Love, Wisdom, Compassion, etc. are all the things that make up (my theoretical) God.

Not thinking of God as an almighty puppetmaster but a collage of good characteristics that people should hone and grounds to stand by.

When I say I believe in God I believe that light overcomes the darkness and that positivity will always prevail.

Maybe the idea of Heaven isnt a location, but a peace for yourself that will lay your soul to rest. Maybe the idea of Hell isnt a location but the torment that you lived by during life that still haunts you.

They say that even the worst people can go to Heaven by asking forgiveness.

Maybe they dont go to heaven by asking for forgiveness.

Maybe their souls rest and reside in peace (theoretical heaven) because that light shined through them and that's how they repent. Not to repent to God, but to forgive themselves. And allowing the truth and the light to flow through them, that is what gives them that peace.

When someone lives in lies, basques in torment in life, what makes you think that it will be any different in the after life?

That is what I think Hell is. The torment that you have engraved on your soul from life.

Sorry I cant keep going, I'm in a rush and I'm leaving soon.

If this doesnt make any sense what so ever then please flame spear me, but I think it's possible.

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#2 GrandpaDeath
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*Scratches balls* *sniffs hand* *leaves thread*
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#3 eo12601
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Nice thinking. When not taken in a literal sense, but rather, looked at from a metaphorical perspective, the bible actually makes quite a bit of sense. Not necessarily about god per se, but about life/our world in general.
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#4 Big_player
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i think that god was meant to be seen as an omnipresent being but i can see how someone could use your ideas to justify a belief i a god.
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#5 RiSkyBiZ-13
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15 minutes of thinking? While I don't agree with your views, that's rather impressive...
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#6 Deathxcore
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I always think of things metaphorically, because things like this can be misinterpreted. I just wanted to explain it in the way that It means to me.

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#7 CptJSparrow
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What characteristics?--What makes them good and positive?
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#8 red-bruin
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i believe this
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#9 SteveXLR
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I see ur logic. r u like a messenger from "God" to tell GS members the truth? *goes to think on it for 15 minutes*
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#10 eo12601
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I always think of things metaphorically, because things like this can be misinterpreted. I just wanted to explain it in the way that It means to me.

Deathxcore

Yea. Take the whole Adam and Eve story. One of the most controversial ones in the bible, due to the whole debate in regards to evolution, women having just as many ribs as men, etc. But when you think about it from a metaphorical perspective, it is the story of the loss of innocence. How is innocence lost? By eating from the tree of knowledge. In other words, knowledge, truth, etc, destroy innocence. Eden personifies innocence, and as each of us grows up, we all have to leave that place, and take up residence in the real world. Quite brilliant really, as Eden is more of a state of mind than an actual physical place, etc. Another story that springs up is the whole tower of babel thing. A very clear message about humanity's innate potential, and the reasons for why it will never reach it.

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#11 RiSkyBiZ-13
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I've got the same theories in my blog.

You thought of all this while you were taking a crap, weren't you?

Me too.

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#12 SteveXLR
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[QUOTE="Deathxcore"]

I always think of things metaphorically, because things like this can be misinterpreted. I just wanted to explain it in the way that It means to me.

eo12601

Yea. Take the whole Adam and Eve story. One of the most controversial ones in the bible, due to the whole debate in regards to evolution, women having just as many ribs as men, etc. But when you think about it from a metaphorical perspective, it is the story of the loss of innocence. How is innocence lost? By eating from the tree of knowledge. In other words, knowledge, truth, etc, destroy innocence. Eden personifies innocence, and as each of us grows up, we all have to leave that place, and take up residence in the real world. Quite brilliant really, as Eden is more of a state of mind than an actual physical place, etc. Another story that springs up is the whole tower of babel thing. A very clear message about humanity's innate potential, and the reasons for why it will never reach it.

So as i'm learning all this i am loseing innocence?! I never knew i had any!!!!!!!!!!!!! *goes to cry* LOL :D

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*Scratches balls* *sniffs hand* *leaves thread*GrandpaDeath

LOl. OH my god that made me laugh. :lol:

Sigh. Didn't expect that one.

Anyway. God? tell him to come meet me in person so I knowhes real or not.

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#14 eo12601
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[QUOTE="eo12601"][QUOTE="Deathxcore"]

I always think of things metaphorically, because things like this can be misinterpreted. I just wanted to explain it in the way that It means to me.

SteveXLR

Yea. Take the whole Adam and Eve story. One of the most controversial ones in the bible, due to the whole debate in regards to evolution, women having just as many ribs as men, etc. But when you think about it from a metaphorical perspective, it is the story of the loss of innocence. How is innocence lost? By eating from the tree of knowledge. In other words, knowledge, truth, etc, destroy innocence. Eden personifies innocence, and as each of us grows up, we all have to leave that place, and take up residence in the real world. Quite brilliant really, as Eden is more of a state of mind than an actual physical place, etc. Another story that springs up is the whole tower of babel thing. A very clear message about humanity's innate potential, and the reasons for why it will never reach it.

So as i'm learning all this i am loseing innocence?! I never knew i had any!!!!!!!!!!!!! *goes to cry* LOL :D

I guess this is why you don't have a discussion of philosophy and religion on a gaming forum... :P

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Well, you've solved an eternity of mysteries in 15 minutes have you?

Give yourself a pat on the back.

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#16 SteveXLR
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[QUOTE="SteveXLR"][QUOTE="eo12601"][QUOTE="Deathxcore"]

I always think of things metaphorically, because things like this can be misinterpreted. I just wanted to explain it in the way that It means to me.

eo12601

Yea. Take the whole Adam and Eve story. One of the most controversial ones in the bible, due to the whole debate in regards to evolution, women having just as many ribs as men, etc. But when you think about it from a metaphorical perspective, it is the story of the loss of innocence. How is innocence lost? By eating from the tree of knowledge. In other words, knowledge, truth, etc, destroy innocence. Eden personifies innocence, and as each of us grows up, we all have to leave that place, and take up residence in the real world. Quite brilliant really, as Eden is more of a state of mind than an actual physical place, etc. Another story that springs up is the whole tower of babel thing. A very clear message about humanity's innate potential, and the reasons for why it will never reach it.

So as i'm learning all this i am loseing innocence?! I never knew i had any!!!!!!!!!!!!! *goes to cry* LOL :D

I guess this is why you don't have a discussion of philosophy and religion on a gaming forum... :P

Yep that b it! :P

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#17 SteveXLR
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Well, you've solved an eternity of mysteries in 15 minutes have you?

Give yourself a pat on the back.

Fortier

And u can have a cookie... just one i have X-Mas gifts to give out!

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#18 serbsta69
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Ive kind of got the same ideas as you, nicely said.
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#19 domatron23
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That's an awesome way to look at it Deathxcore. If the bible has a non-supernatural interpretation (with exception to the soul) then there's nothing that atheists and christians can fight over. Now go and convince the masses that they aren't really going to heaven and that the God they gain so much comfort from is really just a metaphor and we can have a little peace and quiet around here
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#20 GettingTired
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Yes, that's how I believe "God" came into being. It's the reason why people enjoy stories of heroes.

God symbolizes all the desirable characteristics humans see in themselves, or desire to see in themselves. Heaven is the manifestation of hope.
The devil is manifestation of all the negative characteristics humans see in themselves in huamnity. There needs to be a polar opposite of God to set a sort of standard and to put good and evil into understandable perspectives.
That's why I find religions fascination, despite not actually being religious.

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#21 GettingTired
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[QUOTE="Deathxcore"]

I always think of things metaphorically, because things like this can be misinterpreted. I just wanted to explain it in the way that It means to me.

eo12601

Yea. Take the whole Adam and Eve story. One of the most controversial ones in the bible, due to the whole debate in regards to evolution, women having just as many ribs as men, etc. But when you think about it from a metaphorical perspective, it is the story of the loss of innocence. How is innocence lost? By eating from the tree of knowledge. In other words, knowledge, truth, etc, destroy innocence. Eden personifies innocence, and as each of us grows up, we all have to leave that place, and take up residence in the real world. Quite brilliant really, as Eden is more of a state of mind than an actual physical place, etc. Another story that springs up is the whole tower of babel thing. A very clear message about humanity's innate potential, and the reasons for why it will never reach it.

That's quite a wonderful interpretation. I agree with everything. And yes, I think the Bible is an amazing book when you look at as metaphorical stories relating to human nature.

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#22 Deathxcore
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Let me clarify that this was only something that I wondered, I'm not going to preach it and I'm not going to print it. It's just a theory, because I love the idea that there is something good in this world but the actual idea of God isnt logical enough for me to truly believe.

This way makes the most sense to me and means the most.

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#23 Shacrob
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Yes you are right, i agree with you also, that people makes it[s own hell, or heaven,{in life}that would compannion when we die. It's good to talk about this things, its good to try to make some change every time, because as you say that there may be some light or good in this world, there must be, and it exits, it only resides on us if we try to be good and open to any situation.
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#24 JiveT
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No God isn't just some theory that exists in your brain. I seen him.
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#25 cowboymonkey21
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No God isn't just some theory that exists in your brain. I seen him. JiveT
You saw him could you introduce him to me.
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#26 JiveT
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[QUOTE="JiveT"]No God isn't just some theory that exists in your brain. I seen him. cowboymonkey21
You saw him could you introduce him to me.

Well I can't say for sure if it was a "him" or a "her" but I don't think it was an "it". I couldn't bear to face him directly. It was just blinding all encompassing light and the message it exuded was eternal peace and majesty. I use "him" because I'm a male.

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#27 RiSkyBiZ-13
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No God isn't just some theory that exists in your brain. I seen him. JiveT

...right.

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Yea. Take the whole Adam and Eve story. One of the most controversial ones in the bible, due to the whole debate in regards to evolution, women having just as many ribs as men, etc. But when you think about it from a metaphorical perspective, it is the story of the loss of innocence. How is innocence lost? By eating from the tree of knowledge. In other words, knowledge, truth, etc, destroy innocence. Eden personifies innocence, and as each of us grows up, we all have to leave that place, and take up residence in the real world. Quite brilliant really, as Eden is more of a state of mind than an actual physical place, etc. Another story that springs up is the whole tower of babel thing. A very clear message about humanity's innate potential, and the reasons for why it will never reach it.

I think thats actually well put. Good job. I like to think about these kind of subjects.

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#29 cowboymonkey21
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At first I did not understand your way of thinking but i read it over again and now I think it make alot of sense, and only 15 minutes.
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#30 Putzwapputzen
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hmmmmm, thats interesing.