adolf was not a christian

The man did have a Christian background. But he did not fallow the teachings of Jesus Christ . No where in mat mark luke or john did he say to kill the jews. He said "love thy enemy" not kill thy enemy .

To say he is a Christian is like you saying you a vegetarian while eating a steak . Many atheists and converts have a Christian background does that still make them one? no it does not make them one .

You can call him what ever you want. But he in no way even remotely acted like one their for he is not a Christian . I don't care that he called him self one. There are people who say "i am a doctor" that do back ally boob jobs but they never got a medical degree .

What are we discussing here?

True, but why did you feel the need to post this?

Well this is certainly random, and he denounced Christianity a while back and made his own thing.

Yep.

Hitler used whatever was convenient to his agenda at the time. Sometimes it was Christianity, sometimes not.

Most people who call themselves Christians don't act like Christians.reiv

Hooray for sweeping generalizations. If I said something about Muslims, you'd all be down on me like white on rice.

Define "Christian"

/Typical_OTer

Just because someone doesn't follow the beliefs of a religion, doesn't mean they can't ascribe themselves to it. What about all those fundamentalist "Christians" in the US who are highly intolerant of anyone but other heterosexual Christians? Intolerance is not a Christian moral, yet they practice it and call themselves "Christian" because they believe in Jesus Christ.

HitIer ascribed to Christianity and was quoted as saying he was "doing the work of God." Thus, he is a Christian. He may not have been a good Christian, but he was still a Christian.

Would you turn around and say atheism is bad because Mao and Stalin were atheists?

Obviously... but what is point of thread?F1_2004

I posted this cus i been hearing a lot of people calling him one these days and just felt the need to put my thoughts out there . Mostly from the atheist community but from others as well .

hitler was a muslim terrorist coz only muslim can kill people

The popes who supported the crusades weren't following his teachings in the same manner. Were they not christians either? I think it's pretty clear to anyone that how Christians act and how Jesus said they should act are two completely and utterly different things.Gallion-Beast

those popes were evil selfish men they took advantages of there power in the church. If there is a hell they are in it .

Just because someone doesn't follow the beliefs of a religion, doesn't mean they can't ascribe themselves to it. What about all those fundamentalist "Christians" in the US who are highly intolerant of anyone but other heterosexual Christians? Intolerance is not a Christian moral, yet they practice it and call themselves "Christian" because they believe in Jesus Christ.

HitIer ascribed to Christianity and was quoted as saying he was "doing the work of God." Thus, he is a Christian. He may not have been a good Christian, but he was still a Christian.

Would you turn around and say atheism is bad because Mao and Stalin were atheists?

foxhound_fox

Hitler at various points, at least publicaly, embraced Christianity (probably understand that the majority of Germans were Christian, and he'd at least have to talk the talk to get their support), and at other points rejected it as "Jewish dogma".

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[QUOTE="reiv"] Just my observation that most Christians are hypocrites. I don't care if you say something about Muslims. I don't care about any religion. Waste of time.reiv

Well, it's been my observation lately that atheists are stuck-up, sanctimonious, pseudo-philosophers who consider themselves intellectually superior to the 96% of people on Earth who believe in some sort of deity.

Is that fair?

[QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"]The popes who supported the crusades weren't following his teachings in the same manner. Were they not christians either? I think it's pretty clear to anyone that how Christians act and how Jesus said they should act are two completely and utterly different things.dontshackzmii

those popes were evil selfish men they took advantages of there power in the church. If there is a hell they are in it .

Just because someone doesn't follow the beliefs of a religion, doesn't mean they can't ascribe themselves to it. What about all those fundamentalist "Christians" in the US who are highly intolerant of anyone but other heterosexual Christians? Intolerance is not a Christian moral, yet they practice it and call themselves "Christian" because they believe in Jesus Christ.

HitIer ascribed to Christianity and was quoted as saying he was "doing the work of God." Thus, he is a Christian. He may not have been a good Christian, but he was still a Christian.

Would you turn around and say atheism is bad because Mao and Stalin were atheists?

foxhound_fox

And according to evangelists or other fundamentalists a huge percentage of professed Christians arent really Christians.

At some point one should decide who they consider a "true" Christian and not play difficult only when labeling someone as "non-Christian" suits the reputation of their beliefs.

Not that I believe it should affect the reputation of Christianity but for what other reason would you TC want to make that point?

"Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time." - Adolf Hitler Mein KampfBourbons3

quotes from mr hit ler are poor at best. Germany was a Christian nation if he bashed it in public he would go no where in the government

most people would dislike him over his anti chrsitan views .

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[QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"]The popes who supported the crusades weren't following his teachings in the same manner. Were they not christians either? I think it's pretty clear to anyone that how Christians act and how Jesus said they should act are two completely and utterly different things.Gallion-Beast

those popes were evil selfish men they took advantages of there power in the church. If there is a hell they are in it .

if you dont fallow the teachings of jesus you are not a Christian no matter what you call your self . If i call my self the emperor of the world does that make me one?

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those popes were evil selfish men they took advantages of there power in the church. If there is a hell they are in it .

dontshackzmii

if you dont fallow the teachings of jesus you are not a Christian no matter what you call your self . If i call my self the emperor of the world does that make me one?

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[QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"]The popes who supported the crusades weren't following his teachings in the same manner. Were they not christians either? I think it's pretty clear to anyone that how Christians act and how Jesus said they should act are two completely and utterly different things.Gallion-Beast

those popes were evil selfish men they took advantages of there power in the church. If there is a hell they are in it .

does making him not christian justify his actions

does making him not christian justify his actions

Vader993

Well I think the difference is that Hitler didn't ascribe himself to Christianity. It's true that a Christian isn't defined by whether or not he follows the Bible teachings to the letter, but you probably know that Hitler used religion as a tool to manipulate the German people.

F1_2004

[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]"Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time." - Adolf Hitler Mein Kampfdontshackzmii

quotes from mr hit ler are poor at best. Germany was a Christian nation if he bashed it in public he would go no where in the government

most people would dislike him over his anti chrsitan views .

I don't think the German people were overly concerned with religion at the time, as the Communist party had almost equivocal in support during the late 20s (I assume the Communists were anti-religion, although I'll check on that).

"adolf was not a christian"

well no **** sherlock!

what exactly are you saying?

I'm pretty sure he was a christian, he even said so himselfBrainkiller05

I don't think it matters. I doubt his religious faith (or lack of it) had any influence on his decisions during his rule.

You can pick out quotes like "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work." [Reichstag 1936] which suggest he was Christian (or religious at least).

But then again you can pick out quotes like this "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." [Taken from Bormann's notes during his time as Hitler's secretary] which suggest he hated Christianity.

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Even if he was Christian, it doesn't change anything.

Saying he cannot be christian because he did horrible things is a no true scotsman fallacy.

Do you think Jesus would be angry if I called my next kid Christian by name and was Muslim instead?

Saying he cannot be christian because he did horrible things is a no true scotsman fallacy.

Pixel-Pirate

every one does bad things what i said was he was not one due to the fact he did not fallow the teachings of jesus.

the whole point of christianity is to fallow his teachings without that it is meaningless . No where did adolf show he was one . He was at best a poser

Was this not obvious?

The Nazi's delved into the occult, and put down Christianity.

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Saying he cannot be christian because he did horrible things is a no true scotsman fallacy.

dontshackzmii

every one does bad things what i said was he was not one due to the fact he did not fallow the teachings of jesus.

You misunderstand what the "No True Scotsman Fallacy" implies, sir.

Simple example of the aforementioned fallacy-->

Teacher: All Scotsmen enjoy haggis.

Student: My uncle is a Scotsman, and he doesn't like haggis!

Teacher: Well, all true Scotsmen like haggis. A Person of Note

It seemed utterly apropos.

If he believed in God then by definition he was Christian.

Wether you follow the ten commandments however simply dictates if you are a good christian or not.

If he believed in God then by definition he was Christian.

Wether you follow the ten commandments however simply dictates if you are a good christian or not.

Treflis

If he believed in God then by definition he was Christian.

Wether you follow the ten commandments however simply dictates if you are a good christian or not.

Treflis

Jews and Muslims would disagree....

Actually, Hitler and the nazis were Catholic.

That's why Italy was an ally to them, to get control over the pope at the time.

If he believed in God then by definition he was Christian.Treflis

Do I even really need to explain this one? Seriously?

What a rather odd thing to post in this thread, given the thing that Hitler is most known for...