Ak-47 vs M16 Vietnam War Era

Title. Discuss and tell why you chose the gun of your choice. Ex.Recoil, Accuracy, etc

I like to think of the Ak-47 as the bad guy gun(Of course) so thats my reason :P Lol just playing, reason why is because more damage, and cheaper to make. Also it doesnt Jam :D Also we're comparing the guns during the vietnam era.Not in the future. Im talking about first time shown and all that stuff. Gernade launcher equips dont count :P

Ak-47.. first batch of M16s failed like crazy.... hell even in the end the AK was better.

When your soldiers abandon their standard issue weapons for the enemies', you know something is wrong.

The AK would win in every confrontation. Especially if any kind of loose foreign material is involved.

dosent the m16 really really really suck? And the ak47 is supposed to be a really good weapon.

NINJA ASSASSINATION. :twisted:

I've heard stories of US troops in Vietname who threw away their M16s for the North Vietnamese AK-47s due to the fact that the AK-47s are more reliable, easier to clean and fires stronger hardware.

AK-47, becasuethey can have bayonetts! Lets see a flimsy peice of plastic do that.

Vietnam: AK 47. The first batch of M16s had flaws and had horrible ammo that increased gun failer. (that and soldiers being told the gun does not need to be cleaned :roll: )

Post Vietnam: M 16/variants. The M16 is now a a reliable and extremely accurate and precise gun that is the staple of many modern armies. Heck and their are so many variants of the M 16. From the M4 to the Beowulf.

Due to the fact that Vietnam era M16s were total POSs that constantly jammed due to even a little dirt getting in them as well as the US military's total desecration of Eugene Stoner's original AR-15 design my vote goes to the AK-47. It was beyond reliable and US troops would quickly exchange their own weapons for them in the battlefield. It got to the point where troops would be reprimanded for picking them up because it made our own rifle look inferior even though it was. :P I'd even take a Kalashnikov over modern M16 variants. Fires a solid round with good penetration and stopping power and it'll never fail you. And for all the people who bring up the accuracy issue here is a little vid. Mind you that's an AK-103 but it's primarily the same as a AK-47 or AKM with a few minor improvements.

Why does everyone assume AKs don't jam?

In Operation Phantom Fury, Marines reported insurgent's AK-47s would jam all the time, and since they were total dumbasses and just assumed it would never break they never learned how to fix it, so several Marines reported seeing them doing stupid things like banging their guns against the ground to try and get them to work.

AKs jam just like every other weapon on earth. It just doesn't need to be cleaned as regularly as other weapons, and if you can't maintain proper weapon care you definitely should not have a gun in the first place.

Just my two cents.

dosent the m16 really really really suck? And the ak47 is supposed to be a really good weapon.

kipohippo021

Its original models were poorly designed, but modern variants are far better guns than the AK-47.

I'd never use an AK-47. I'd carry either an M16, M4, or MP5.

Why does everyone assume AKs don't jam?

In Operation Phantom Fury, Marines reported insurgent's AK-47s would jam all the time, and since they were total dumbasses and just assumed it would never break they never learned how to fix it, so several Marines reported seeing them doing stupid things like banging their guns against the ground to try and get them to work.

AKs jam just like every other weapon on earth. It just doesn't need to be cleaned as regularly as other weapons, and if you can't maintain proper weapon care you definitely should not have a gun in the first place.

Just my two cents.

-TheSecondSign-

The m-16 wins hands down. It is now a very reliable weapon. The biggest pro about an m-16 is the amount you can customize it. You can make it work for any situation you will ever face. If you want a scope, just slide one on your rail mount. Want a bi-pod or vertical grip, slide it on your quad rail foregrip. Hell, if you want to switch the caliber of bullet you are firing, all you have to do is pull out the pivot pin and and the take down pin and switch out the upper receiver. Takes 15 seconds tops. Also another pro for m-16 is the amount of parts available. Every gun store carries parts for the AR-15 (the civilian m-16) that can be used in m-16's. The standard ammo it uses, the 5.56mm NATO, is the most mass produced cartridges in history so you will not have a hard time finding it. And even if you cant find it you can use the Remington .223 round.

Summary: In video games, the AK-47 wins. In the real world, go with the M-16. There is a reason why the enemy used the AK-47 and we, a superpower, uses the M-16.

P.S. I have been researching AR-15's and have plans to build my own from scratch when I get a little money.

The m-16 wins hands down. It is now a very reliable weapon. The biggest pro about an m-16 is the amount you can customize it. You can make it work for any situation you will ever face. If you want a scope, just slide one on your rail mount. Want a bi-pod or vertical grip, slide it on your quad rail foregrip. Hell, if you want to switch the caliber of bullet you are firing, all you have to do is pull out the pivot pin and and the take down pin and switch out the upper receiver. Takes 15 seconds tops. Also another pro for m-16 is the amount of parts available. Every gun store carries parts for the AR-15 (the civilian m-16) that can be used in m-16's. The standard ammo it uses, the 5.56mm NATO, is the most mass produced cartridges in history so you will not have a hard time finding it. And even if you cant find it you can use the Remington .223 round.

Summary: In video games, the AK-47 wins. In the real world, go with the M-16. There is a reason why the enemy used the AK-47 and we, a superpower, uses the M-16.

P.S. I have been researching AR-15's and have plans to build my own from scratch when I get a little money.

BigSexy63

Just saying buying one would be safer, legaler, andget you a better rifle.

Back then I'm pretty sure the AK47 was the way to go.

[QUOTE="kipohippo021"]

dosent the m16 really really really suck? And the ak47 is supposed to be a really good weapon.

-TheSecondSign-

Its original models were poorly designed, but modern variants are far better guns than the AK-47.

I'd never use an AK-47. I'd carry either an M16, M4, or MP5.

From what I understand, the m16A1 was a horrible gun during vietnam, being unreliable and prone to jamming due to the conditions (high humidity and such). The AK, well the AK is an AK and keeps firing no matter what you do so I'm guessing the NVA and Viet Cong didn't have the same problem.

I have fired an AK-47 though the closest I have fired to an m16 was an M4. I found the AK much easier to aim (and ended up having a more precise shot), though the m4 is supposed to be more accurate.

Summary: In video games, the AK-47 wins. In the real world, go with the M-16. There is a reason why the enemy used the AK-47 and we, a superpower, uses the M-16.

P.S. I have been researching AR-15's and have plans to build my own from scratch when I get a little money.

BigSexy63

I suggest reading the OP over again.

The biggest pro about an m-16 is the amount you can customize it.

BigSexy63

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The biggest pro about an m-16 is the amount you can customize it.

RAMRODtheMASTER

Now that is Badass

[QUOTE="BigSexy63"]

The m-16 wins hands down. It is now a very reliable weapon. The biggest pro about an m-16 is the amount you can customize it. You can make it work for any situation you will ever face. If you want a scope, just slide one on your rail mount. Want a bi-pod or vertical grip, slide it on your quad rail foregrip. Hell, if you want to switch the caliber of bullet you are firing, all you have to do is pull out the pivot pin and and the take down pin and switch out the upper receiver. Takes 15 seconds tops. Also another pro for m-16 is the amount of parts available. Every gun store carries parts for the AR-15 (the civilian m-16) that can be used in m-16's. The standard ammo it uses, the 5.56mm NATO, is the most mass produced cartridges in history so you will not have a hard time finding it. And even if you cant find it you can use the Remington .223 round.

Summary: In video games, the AK-47 wins. In the real world, go with the M-16. There is a reason why the enemy used the AK-47 and we, a superpower, uses the M-16.

P.S. I have been researching AR-15's and have plans to build my own from scratch when I get a little money.

dercoo

Just saying buying one would be safer, legaler, andget you a better rifle.

Actually you are completely wrong in every aspect. It's 100% legal to build your own AR-15 as long as it is semi-auto, is 23" in total length, and has a barrel of at least 16". It's perfectly safe to build your own as long as you check the headspace before you fire it wich can be done by a gunsmith which is cheap. You can get a WAY better rifle by building your own because you can pick and choose which parts you want to use.

It's also cheaper because you have to pay for their labor in building it. It's also more fun to build your own and you get to know it better that way if you have a problem, you know how to fix it.

[QUOTE="BigSexy63"]

The biggest pro about an m-16 is the amount you can customize it.

RAMRODtheMASTER

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Thanks. I was trying to put up some pics but I couldn't get it to work. :(

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Summary: In video games, the AK-47 wins. In the real world, go with the M-16. There is a reason why the enemy used the AK-47 and we, a superpower, uses the M-16.

P.S. I have been researching AR-15's and have plans to build my own from scratch when I get a little money.

Espada12

I suggest reading the OP over again.

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[QUOTE="BigSexy63"]

Summary: In video games, the AK-47 wins. In the real world, go with the M-16. There is a reason why the enemy used the AK-47 and we, a superpower, uses the M-16.

P.S. I have been researching AR-15's and have plans to build my own from scratch when I get a little money.

BigSexy63

I suggest reading the OP over again.

Your post has nothing to do with it?

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[QUOTE="BigSexy63"]

Summary: In video games, the AK-47 wins. In the real world, go with the M-16. There is a reason why the enemy used the AK-47 and we, a superpower, uses the M-16.

P.S. I have been researching AR-15's and have plans to build my own from scratch when I get a little money.

BigSexy63

I suggest reading the OP over again.

I think he means it in reference to the 'Vietnam War Era' part so in that respect AK wins in video games and did win in real life.

[QUOTE="BigSexy63"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

I suggest reading the OP over again.

I think he means it in reference to the 'Vietnam War Era' part so in that respect AK wins in video games and did win in real life.

during the era? AK47

now a days? M16, its much more reliable and very customizable

but the true winner is the AR15 with chainsaw

The AK-47 was much, much better than the early M-16's. That 7.62 round was much stronger, and the AK-47 was much more reliable. Not only that, but it was cheaper to build and maintain.

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[QUOTE="BigSexy63"] I did. Your point?BigSexy63

I think he means it in reference to the 'Vietnam War Era' part so in that respect AK wins in video games and did win in real life.

True so why did you meantion video games?

[QUOTE="BigSexy63"][QUOTE="October_Tide"]

I think he means it in reference to the 'Vietnam War Era' part so in that respect AK wins in video games and did win in real life.

True so why did you meantion video games?

can tell unless i shot one of them

A stolen enemy AK-47, It would look suspicious if I shot myself in the foot with my own weapon and they might not send me home.

If we're talking Vietnam era M16's, then the kalashnikov wins hands down. A vet once told me that was a reason why we had troubles in Vietnam (though there were several others), but the Ak-47 at the time was so much better, you could put it down wet and pick it back up the next day and it would fire. The M16 would have to be cleaned and properly dried every night which was hard in the climate there, also it frequently jammed. Remember, it's the M16's from the 60's we're talking about.

I love Terry Crews' Gun. The AA-12: My favorite weapon in the Expenables movie. He went with a killstreak with that thing.

during the era? AK47

now a days? M16, its much more reliable and very customizable

but the true winner is the AR15 with chainsaw

legend26

I raise you a Hello Kitty AR-15. :P