America is the biggest terrorist country.

Osama bin ladin kills a few thousand people, gets labeled as the biggest terrorist.

Bush invades iraq for no reason, kills millions in the process and yet he is not terrorist?

Just because america is in power it doesnt have to justify itself. I wasnt of this thought before but the mess that america has made of iraq is really multitudes worse than what happened on 9/11.

It's all sinking in it's always been like this in history. If germany wins WW2 we would remember the allies as the evil party.

You guys talk about ethics and all and yet forget about them when it comes to punishing your former president. And america also tortures terrorist suspects even though it is supposed to be wrong and immoral but not when it comes to muslim suspects cuz its in the better interest of the nation. How bloody convenient!!

Osama bin ladin kills a few thousand people, gets labeled as the biggest terrorist.

Bush invades iraq for no reason, kills millions in the process and yet he is not terrorist?

Just because america is in power it doesnt have to justify itself. I wasnt of this thought before but the mess that america has made of iraq is really multitudes worse than what happened on 9/11.

It's all sinking in it's always been like this in history. If germany wins WW2 we would remember the allies as the evil party.

You guys talk about ethics and all and yet forget about them when it comes to punishing your former president. And america also tortures terrorist suspects even though it is supposed to be wrong and immoral but not when it comes to muslim suspects cuz its in the better interest of the nation. How bloody convenient!!

Gambler_3

Neither president directly hurt anyone, president can't declare war.Fightingfan

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Neither president directly hurt anyone, president can't declare war.Franklinstein

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Neither president directly hurt anyone, president can't declare war.Fightingfan

Fine, then please return the hundreds of billion in aid the world gets each year, then please stop using all our terrorist medical inventions that help save even more lives. Let's stay consistent here.

Neither president directly hurt anyone, president can't declare war.Fightingfan

If they punish the people in authority today then it will send a msg for future establishments that how much of a serious thing going to war is and you better be able to justify yourself about it.

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"] But they have effectively engaged in military operations that have hurt and killed millions since the first one to do it, ole Harry Truman. But there was also Kennedy, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., and Obama.Franklinstein

Osama bin ladin kills a few thousand people, gets labeled as the biggest terrorist.

Bush invades iraq for no reason, kills millions in the process and yet he is not terrorist?

Just because america is in power it doesnt have to justify itself. I wasnt of this thought before but the mess that america has made of iraq is really multitudes worse than what happened on 9/11.

It's all sinking in it's always been like this in history. If germany wins WW2 we would remember the allies as the evil party.

You guys talk about ethics and all and yet forget about them when it comes to punishing your former president. And america also tortures terrorist suspects even though it is supposed to be wrong and immoral but not when it comes to muslim suspects cuz its in the better interest of the nation. How bloody convenient!!

Gambler_3

Enjoy your bombs.

Fine, then please return the hundreds of billion in aid the world gets each year, then please stop using all our terrorist medicals inventions that help save even more lives. Let's stay consistent here. HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"] What flag doesn't have blood on it?whipassmt

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Neither president directly hurt anyone, president can't declare war.Gambler_3

If they punish the people in authority today then it will send a msg for future establishments that how much of a serious thing going to war is and you better be able to justify yourself about it.

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"] What flag doesn't have blood on it?whipassmt

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"] The point (that I thought you were making) was that the President doesn't have the power to do that. If that blood would have been on the hands of Congress which is elected by representatives of every State, then it wouldn't be as bad to me, because I guess that means the people want it. However, when it is done by the President, I'm not so for it. There is a man, who should not have the power to declare war (or unprovoked military operations, including 'pre-emptive' wars).ad1x2

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"] The point (that I thought you were making) was that the President doesn't have the power to do that. If that blood would have been on the hands of Congress which is elected by representatives of every State, then it wouldn't be as bad to me, because I guess that means the people want it. However, when it is done by the President, I'm not so for it. There is a man, who should not have the power to declare war (or unprovoked military operations, including 'pre-emptive' wars).Franklinstein

[QUOTE="ad1x2"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] Actually I think a lot of those wars were authorized by congress. For example Congress passed resolutions authorizing President Bush to use military force against the Taliban in Afghanistan and against Saddam Hussein in Iraq.

Franklinstein

As for the TC, most of those people killed in Iraq were killed by insurgents. Either they were killed by accident while they were aiming for US troops (family of eight in a minivan getting blown up by a pressure plate IED meant for a passing US truck, for example) or they were purposefully killed for not helping insurgents. US troops who killed civilians either did it by accident or if they purposefully killed a civilian and was caught they was court-martialed.

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] Actually I think a lot of those wars were authorized by congress. For example Congress passed resolutions authorizing President Bush to use military force against the Taliban in Afghanistan and against Saddam Hussein in Iraq.

whipassmt

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="ad1x2"] You would think right. It amazes me how many Bush haters completely forget that Congress voted to authorize military force in Iraq and act like he alone sent troops there. He may have pushed for the invasion but it wouldn't have happened if Congress refused.

As for the TC, most of those people killed in Iraq were killed by insurgents. Either they were killed by accident while they were aiming for US troops (family of eight in a minivan getting blown up by a pressure plate IED meant for a passing US truck, for example) or they were purposefully killed for not helping insurgents. US troops who killed civilians either did it by accident or if they purposefully killed a civilian and was caught they was court-martialed.whipassmt

I thought you liked terrorists.

Fine, then please return the hundreds of billion in aid the world gets each year, then please stop using all our terrorist medicals inventions that help save even more lives. Let's stay consistent here. HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]Fine, then please return the hundreds of billion in aid the world gets each year, then please stop using all our terrorist medicals inventions that help save even more lives. Let's stay consistent here. Gambler_3

The world seems to be buying them because they give them utility. Again, you can pay us your thanks later.

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"] Bush had other non-approved military operations. Like... Liberia...?Franklinstein

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] It seems that the troops were pretty much there as peace-keepers and to leverage U.S. diplomacy. It doesn't seem like a big deal, in fact I haven't heard of it until you mentioned it.

whipassmt

Its been tallied at a billion now.Wilfred_Owen

Osama bin ladin kills a few thousand people, gets labeled as the biggest terrorist.

Bush invades iraq for no reason, kills millions in the process and yet he is not terrorist?

Just because america is in power it doesnt have to justify itself. I wasnt of this thought before but the mess that america has made of iraq is really multitudes worse than what happened on 9/11.

It's all sinking in it's always been like this in history. If germany wins WW2 we would remember the allies as the evil party.

You guys talk about ethics and all and yet forget about them when it comes to punishing your former president. And america also tortures terrorist suspects even though it is supposed to be wrong and immoral but not when it comes to muslim suspects cuz its in the better interest of the nation. How bloody convenient!!

Gambler_3

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Neither president directly hurt anyone, president can't declare war.whipassmt

If they punish the people in authority today then it will send a msg for future establishments that how much of a serious thing going to war is and you better be able to justify yourself about it.

Its a delusion to think we live in some sort of democratic world, it's still all about power with the likes of america and britian bullying the smaller nations.

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]Fine, then please return the hundreds of billion in aid the world gets each year, then please stop using all our terrorist medicals inventions that help save even more lives. Let's stay consistent here. HoolaHoopMan

The world seems to be buying them because they give them utility. Again, you can pay us your thanks later.

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"] That's not the point. You may agree with it, but America (through Congress) might not.Franklinstein

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Then imprison everyone involved. If I "accidentally" murder someone I am still liable for punishment!!!

If they punish the people in authority today then it will send a msg for future establishments that how much of a serious thing going to war is and you better be able to justify yourself about it.

Gambler_3

Its a delusion to think we live in some sort of democratic world, it's still all about power with the likes of america and britian bullying the smaller nations.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Huh? Your corporations wont be half of what they are without the world using their products. You know these products arent for free!! And the aids are to allow America to continue to wreck havoc without intervention from some major player.

Gambler_3

The world seems to be buying them because they give them utility. Again, you can pay us your thanks later.

Its been tallied at a billion now.Wilfred_Owen

[QUOTE="Wilfred_Owen"]Its been tallied at a billion now.sonicare

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="whipassmt"] Are you suggesting that we imprison the leaders and government officials of the roughly 30 countries that sent forces into Iraq?

sonicare

Its a delusion to think we live in some sort of democratic world, it's still all about power with the likes of america and britian bullying the smaller nations.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Wilfred_Owen"]Its been tallied at a billion now.whipassmt

Surprised people aren't saying Bush blew up Krypton yet....ad1x2

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] And half of Asian wouldn't be able to eat with out the help of an American named Norman Borlaug.

The world seems to be buying them because they give them utility. Again, you can pay us your thanks later.

HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Then imprison everyone involved. If I "accidentally" murder someone I am still liable for punishment!!!

If they punish the people in authority today then it will send a msg for future establishments that how much of a serious thing going to war is and you better be able to justify yourself about it.

Gambler_3

Its a delusion to think we live in some sort of democratic world, it's still all about power with the likes of america and britian bullying the smaller nations.

You abject insanity is hilarious.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]I dont need anyone to feed me. And who are to talk about? You are using electronic items made in asia.

Gambler_3

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] I'm asking you to be consistent, obviously futile. If the west or US is such a crappy presence in the world quit using everything we've produced. You're a fvcking hypocrite. Please by all means log off the internet, the US created that. K THANK BAI. HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]I dont hold my own country in high regard so it's kinda difficult for me to follow that line.....

Gambler_3

Bad people in power does not make the whole nation bad people.

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] Irrelevant. Get off the terrorist created World Wide Web. HoolaHoopMan

Bad people in power does not make the whole nation bad people.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]If all of america can admit to it then I will. You are missing the point you guys act all civilized and ethical and yet ignore what your government.

Bad people in power does not make the whole nation bad people.

Gambler_3

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Then imprison everyone involved. If I "accidentally" murder someone I am still liable for punishment!!!

If they punish the people in authority today then it will send a msg for future establishments that how much of a serious thing going to war is and you better be able to justify yourself about it.

Gambler_3

Its a delusion to think we live in some sort of democratic world, it's still all about power with the likes of america and britian bullying the smaller nations.

No one ever said the world was a democracy.