Americans' incomes falling (unless you're rich)

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#51 mattbbpl
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@JimB said:

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Did this occur in the United States? If it did occur in the United States the news media does not care. They are more concerned about a supposedly infringement on the rights of GLTB's that the actual well being of people truly in need.

Yes, they all did. In fact, those incidents/programs all took place within a radius of 30 miles or so. And similar events occur in many communities across the US, large and small.

The media does report about this kind of thing, actually. The feed my sheep program got some support from a local radio station and a local news paper. The tent city getting moved was reported by a number of local newspapers.

If you're asking why this kind of thing isn't covered by national news, then the answer is quite simple - it isn't news. This kind of thing happens all the time, and it's so prevalent to that it's only newsworthy to the community directly affected by it.

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#52 JimB
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@mattbbpl:

I wonder how this is happening the United States has spent twelve trillion dollars in the war on poverty and it appears we are worse off than we started.

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#53 RichieTickles
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@JimB said:

@mattbbpl:

I wonder how this is happening the United States has spent twelve trillion dollars in the war on poverty and it appears we are worse off than we started.

It's not the amount that matters, it's that it's not an infallible presence that's distributing it. It's people that were trying to fix a problem. It could have been a hundred trillion dollars and the result would have been the same.

The sooner the young American race understands that not every person can be saved from hardship, then the closer they can be to setting aside childish things and understanding reality.

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#54 MakeMeaSammitch
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Sheltered life, no. I started working when I was eight years old helping my granddad clean a bingo hall. My pay was a dollar a week and any change I could find on the floor. My Dad was often laid off from work and did any kind of work he could find. When I was fifty four I lost my job and had to start over. Sheltered life no, but I felt as long as a could find work I would improve my lot in life not wait on a free hand out from someone else that had to work for their wealth.

Ok, then your attitude makes even less sense to me then. If you've had experience being poor, then why would you shit on people that work hard yet remain poor? i.e. the working poor.

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#55 JimB
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@MakeMeaSammitch: We need to change how we help the poor. The United States has spent twelve trillion dollars on the poor and we are no further ahead than when we started. It is time to rethink the idea of more money from someone will help. There is an old saying give a man a fish and you feed him supper, teach him to fish and you feed him for life. I believe in helping people that need help, not people that just want me to support them for life that just sit on their ass and complain because they don't have something their neighbor has.

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#56 mattbbpl
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@JimB said:

@MakeMeaSammitch: We need to change how we help the poor. The United States has spent twelve trillion dollars on the poor and we are no further ahead than when we started. It is time to rethink the idea of more money from someone will help. There is an old saying give a man a fish and you feed him supper, teach him to fish and you feed him for life. I believe in helping people that need help, not people that just want me to support them for life that just sit on their ass and complain because they don't have something their neighbor has.

What are you proposing?

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#57 MakeMeaSammitch
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@JimB said:

@MakeMeaSammitch: We need to change how we help the poor. The United States has spent twelve trillion dollars on the poor and we are no further ahead than when we started. It is time to rethink the idea of more money from someone will help. There is an old saying give a man a fish and you feed him supper, teach him to fish and you feed him for life. I believe in helping people that need help, not people that just want me to support them for life that just sit on their ass and complain because they don't have something their neighbor has.

If your idea is teach a man to fish then maybe we should close the enormous gap in educations that the wealthiest Americans get vs. the poor.

Inner city schools often get little funding compared to suburban counterparts, on top of many inner city kids never being given the opportunity to go to college.

and...I think the whole sitting on your ass and doing nothing thing is a bit of a myth, reality is that many people work hard and just dont make decent money due to (oh this is coming full circle) not being afforded the same educational opportunities. let me reiterate, I don't think you understand what the working poor are. Not all poor people are lazy as you seem to imply.

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@JimB said:

@MakeMeaSammitch: We need to change how we help the poor. The United States has spent twelve trillion dollars on the poor and we are no further ahead than when we started. It is time to rethink the idea of more money from someone will help. There is an old saying give a man a fish and you feed him supper, teach him to fish and you feed him for life. I believe in helping people that need help, not people that just want me to support them for life that just sit on their ass and complain because they don't have something their neighbor has.

This is a nice slogan but it doesn't mean anything. No one wants you to "support them for life" so right off the bat you have no idea what you are talking about.

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#59  Edited By Renevent42
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Bullcrap, plenty of poor people are just flat out lazy, don't want to work, and would rather just get welfare/ss then get a job. I personally know people exactly like that in my extended family no less. Of course there are also tons of poor people out there who work hard but just can't make ends meet, are disabled, and/or had some kind of unlucky circumstance but let's not pretend there aren't hordes of lazy good-for-nothing people out there as well.

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#60 bmanva
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Top 20% is considered rich? lol