Americas exaggerated fear of socialism.

Hey Yall

I have noticed how big of a deal American republicans are making of Obamas very-slightly-leftist politics,Especially with the new Healthcare system and all.

Here, in my country of Norway (Which is NOT anywhere CLOSE to communist), the Democratic Party would definitely be counted as a right-wing party. Here, there are quite popular parties with names like "Red Party" and "Socialist-Leftist Party".

I´m not saying that is necessarily better, I´m just saying Americans don´t have to fear their country turning into a communist state. Many European countries, which are democracies and give their inhabitants capitalistic possibilities, are significantly further to the left than the Democratic Party is.

All in all: There is a massivedifference between "Healthcare system" and "Soviet-Union", politicians playing off fear of socialism should not be given much concern.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you for your time.

Harkat95

no problem :P

Anyone who knows anything about what's going on already knows that we are far from a communist society.

Unfortunately, that's not very many people in the US. :(

i thought terrorism was the new socialism

america is ruled by fear, simple is that.

Socialism is only scary for the rich people, and the rich manipulate the poor to fear it. While infact it would help them.

the talk about true liberty is kinda funny though, its like they dont even know what liberty is.

I don't believe there can be exaggerated fear of socialism. The only people who shouldn't be scared are those that profit from it, like the wealthy and the politicians. Now I'm not sure America is headed towards socialism/communism, but it sure as hell ain't going in the opposite direction.

Here in Georgia, we've got billboards on the interstate that say, "God is not a socialist!" You do the math.Brozekial

[QUOTE="Brozekial"]Here in Georgia, we've got billboards on the interstate that say, "God is not a socialist!" You do the math.ganon92

ALL -isms are prisons carefully crafted by some to rule others.Some of us for whatever reasons just can not handle the idea that other people ought to be *allowed* to run their own lives and "generously" offer to do the running for them, while some just like to meddle, more overtly give orders at whim, or establish huge bureaucracies to carry on their Grand Visions of somebody else's future.

Socialism is an -ism and I reject all such -isms.

I'm Canadian and while we do have some socialism it actually makes the country better. I honestly hate the idea of free market and privatizing absolutely everything. Health care should be provided by the government, not by the people who can kick you off it the moment you come down with some disease. People would rather pay strictly for themselves then by funnelling money into the system so everybody benefits.

Hey Yall

I have noticed how big of a deal American republicans are making of Obamas very-slightly-leftist politics,Especially with the new Healthcare system and all.

Here, in my country of Norway (Which is NOT anywhere CLOSE to communist), the Democratic Party would definitely be counted as a right-wing party. Here, there are quite popular parties with names like "Red Party" and "Socialist-Leftist Party".

I´m not saying that is necessarily better, I´m just saying Americans don´t have to fear their country turning into a communist state. Many European countries, which are democracies and give their inhabitants capitalistic possibilities, are significantly further to the left than the Democratic Party is.

All in all: There is a massivedifference between "Healthcare system" and "Soviet-Union", politicians playing off fear of socialism should not be given much concern.

Thank you for your time.

Harkat95

ALL -isms are prisons carefully crafted by some to rule others.Some of us for whatever reasons just can not handle the idea that other people ought to be *allowed* to run their own lives and "generously" offer to do the running for them, while some just like to meddle, more overtly give orders at whim, or establish huge bureaucracies to carry on their Grand Visions of somebody else's future.

Socialism is an -ism and I reject all such -isms.

X4D

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ALL -isms are prisons carefully crafted by some to rule others.Some of us for whatever reasons just can not handle the idea that other people ought to be *allowed* to run their own lives and "generously" offer to do the running for them, while some just like to meddle, more overtly give orders at whim, or establish huge bureaucracies to carry on their Grand Visions of somebody else's future.

Socialism is an -ism and I reject all such -isms.

kussese

And anarchism. ;)

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[QUOTE="X4D"]

ALL -isms are prisons carefully crafted by some to rule others.Some of us for whatever reasons just can not handle the idea that other people ought to be *allowed* to run their own lives and "generously" offer to do the running for them, while some just like to meddle, more overtly give orders at whim, or establish huge bureaucracies to carry on their Grand Visions of somebody else's future.

Socialism is an -ism and I reject all such -isms.

Mr_Splosher

And anarchism. ;)

It's because the Chinese have such a poor standard of living.Mr_Splosher

i always wanted to use this:lol:

Lots of Government control will lead to socialism.bbkkristian

[QUOTE="kussese"] So you reject capitalism too, then?

And anarchism. ;)

I just laugh at people who find Obama, a fairly moderate leftist, to be "an extremist socialist". I assume if they saw what a real extremist leftist was their heads would explode scanners style.

A lot of people like socialism; the name itself, which has been mutilated beyond repair, just isn't that popular. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]A lot of people like socialism; the name itself, which has been mutilated beyond repair, just isn't that popular. GazaAli

[QUOTE="Brozekial"]Here in Georgia, we've got billboards on the interstate that say, "God is not a socialist!" You do the math.ganon92

yes, they do...Americans are paranoid.

Maybe its the fact that the US governments efficiency leaves alot to be desired. Being the richest nations makes it leaders more arrogant with its resources.

Personally, I have never understood why democrats arent the fiscal hawks of the 2 parties. Democrats have more to gain by making every dollar count, as it would leave more to use for other initiatives they may want to start. I'm not sure if its just lack of intelligence or will, but beyond the initial good ideas they propose Democrats seem to be terrible at limiting waste and maximising efficiency.

Maybe its the fact that the US governments efficiency leaves alot to be desired. Being the richest nations makes it leaders more arrogant with its resources.

Personally, I have never understood why democrats arent the fiscal hawks of the 2 parties. Democrats have more to gain by making every dollar count, as it would leave more to use for other initiatives they may want to start. I'm not sure if its just lack of intelligence or will, but beyond the initial good ideas they propose Democrats seem to be terrible at limiting waste and maximising efficiency.

majwill24

Yeah, it's obnoxious how quickly people scream "socialism" at the slightest provocation. I wish we had a real socialist in power, so that our country could start to move in what I would consider the right direction. But, yeah...Obama's not a socialist. :(

Any step towards socialism means an increase in government power. Any increase in government power must result in a reduction in individual freedom.

I choose freedom and all the responsibility that comes with it, thank you.

No-offence, but the some of the posts in this thread are the exact brainwashed responses that I expected. "Socialism means your not free", as if as soon as the government introduces welfare they will bring about a curfew after dark ._.

Hitler was a socialist... That's all I have to say.:|

Lots of Government control will lead to socialism.bbkkristian

Hitler was a socialist... That's all I have to say.:|

GD-1369211121

Why haven't the Republicans banned abortions? I bet it would take a bureau to do it so they won't. wow

The problem is there haven't really been any democratic Socialist states in the world, just about all of them are considered authourative socialism or communism. Also doesn't help that those states happen to be pretty big names in history and enemies of the United States.

So when people say "socialism" people think of the USSR, and then think of oppresive non-democractic government. The USSR allowed no freedoms not because it was socialist, it's because it was lead by dictators. Democracy and Socialism can easily go together, there just aren't any real examples of it currently so people don't know any better.

Then we have societies that have leftist policies (and by that I mean legitimate socialist policies, not liberal ones), that are perfectly free ad democractic just like the US. But these states, though left leaning are still not considered socialist states; they're all still liberal democracies. So you don't really hear much about these ones even though they are much further left than anything in the United States and are still free and happy societies.

Hitler was a socialist... That's all I have to say.:|

GD-1369211121

Godwin's law never fails. Hitler was a FASCIST. Just because socialism is inthe party name doesn't make it so. They were bitter enemies of the German Communist Party. Most Republicans and Tea Party don't know enough about history and economic and political theory to be making these baseless claims.

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Hitler was a socialist... That's all I have to say.:|

Ultimas_Blade

Godwin's law never fails. Hitler was a FASCIST. Just because socialism is inthe party name doesn't make it so. They were bitter enemies of the German Communist Party. Most Republicans and Tea Party don't know enough about history and economic and political theory to be making these baseless claims.

I like my freedom and I do not like losing any of it... regardless of how many degrees socialist it is, the principle is the same.Welkabonz

Which is ironic when most seemed to not have any problems with the Patriot Act..

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[QUOTE="GD-1369211121"]

Hitler was a socialist... That's all I have to say.:|

Mr_Splosher

Godwin's law never fails. Hitler was a FASCIST. Just because socialism is inthe party name doesn't make it so. They were bitter enemies of the German Communist Party. Most Republicans and Tea Party don't know enough about history and economic and political theory to be making these baseless claims.

:| That's like saying Libertarianism and Communism can exist together.

Fascism is Far Right on the traditional Left-Right Spectrum, Socialism is Left of Center on the traditional Left-Right spectrum. They CANNOT exist together. HitlerCALLED himself a socialist, but he was a Facist. A system that denies citizens (in this case, Jews)rights is not socialism, far from it.

[QUOTE="GD-1369211121"]

Hitler was a socialist... That's all I have to say.:|

Ultimas_Blade

Godwin's law never fails. Hitler was a FASCIST. Just because socialism is inthe party name doesn't make it so. They were bitter enemies of the German Communist Party. Most Republicans and Tea Party don't know enough about history and economic and political theory to be making these baseless claims.

Hitler was a socialist... That's all I have to say.:|

GD-1369211121

ALL MALES ARE EVIL!

[QUOTE="Welkabonz"]I like my freedom and I do not like losing any of it... regardless of how many degrees socialist it is, the principle is the same.sSubZerOo

Which is ironic when most seemed to not have any problems with the Patriot Act..

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

[QUOTE="GD-1369211121"]

Hitler was a socialist... That's all I have to say.:|

Welkabonz

Godwin's law never fails. Hitler was a FASCIST. Just because socialism is inthe party name doesn't make it so. They were bitter enemies of the German Communist Party. Most Republicans and Tea Party don't know enough about history and economic and political theory to be making these baseless claims.

............... Stalin was a communist.. In which the government controls everything.. Socialism can include and in the eyes of Marx a democracy in which every one decides.. They are not the same.. That being said.. Socialism is dangerously flawed, as flawed as a capitalism.. Thats why the western nations are mixes of the two.