@MrGeezer said:
Productive? I think so. I know a bunch of people who basically aspire to nothing more than existing, and they tend to be pretty damn miserable. That's not to say that everyone needs to go out and try to save a town or something, but there's being active and there's being passive. And people should try to actively be productive in whatever way they can (even though it's hard). Sure, it's good remembering that some people will be hurt if you're not around if that keeps you around, but that's just a starting point. The next step is identifying who you're important to and then actively improving their lives in some way.
Anyway, creating an analogy with many possible interpretations to it leaves the possibility of someone arriving at an unintended interpretation. It's a good analogy for anyone who's on the verge of killing themselves because like I said, those people need to hear anything that keeps them alive for another day. But beyond that, the analogy is a bit too much like the "everyone gets a medal for participation" thing. Generally speaking, people need to know when they're failing and when they aren't trying hard enough because that's what motivates them to become better. Anyway, I wasn't so much trying to disagree with the sentiments expressed as I was trying to supplement them.
If you were supplementing, then you're welcome to do it. But don't mistake what others are saying and be so judgemental while doing it. I'm not going to comment on the false dichotomy/dilemma you presented.
I made no objections to your particular position, especially because I share that position. Improving oneself is important (at least to us who share the common civilized western way of life, there are though, people that'd live miserably under our own terms of 'productiveness'). But you had to judge mine as a "dangerous mindset", because of the way you took it. As if it's as enclosed as that. I was stressing how unnecessarily judgemental you were being with an uplifting message, which was left for others to openly interpret, since I made sure to not fix a singular meaning. Mine was open, but not the OPs.
@DeadPark121 said:
After a lot of thought, I noticed something. My PSP has a single dead pixel towards the lower right corner. 1 pixel. the screen is 480 x 272 pixels for a total of 130,560 total pixels. That's A LOT. When I'm looking at the screen, i could never identify any single pixel. They all looked the same to me. they were all part of the bigger picture. But that one dead pixel. I always noticed the hole left by that 1 single individual pixel. And the image as a whole suffered greatly because of it.
You're never going to be the center of the universe. But that doesn't mean you're not an important part of the big picture. If i can notice a single dead pixel in 130,560. Imagine the impact your life has on the people around you. If you know it or not, you play a part in the big picture. And your absence WILL be noticed by the people around you.
@MrGeezer: ... maybe that pixel is magnificent just for existing, but it's a bad analogy. The pixels are existing in a situation in which standing out in ANY way is bad.
The OP fixed the meaning of his analogy, though. Read his last paragraph. It's not what you said in the quote above. It shows how life is meaningful on it's own. It's not a given, it's not an ordinary commodity that makes no difference when gone even if the holder of life thinks he made no impact in the realm of existance. Though the context adds to that meaning, since one has to count the very act of coming public to talk about it, thus improving oneself in regards to his previous situation. And speaking of context, you just took the above completely out of it. The analogy is rich and complex enough as presented, a lot can be discussed without having to give it other unintended meanings.
If I had a son in the same situation, I wouldn't jump on any other part of these discussions before he was ok with his present self to begin with. From there on, I'd of course stimulate him to ask more of himself and improve. I share that view. But I know that being rushed and doing so right at the moment the person opens for talking about it may render the opposite effect... I respect your position, and you wishing to supplement. What's lacking, though, is alterity, especially in the way you do it.
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